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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Effieray · 27/02/2020 18:33

Sorting through my peeps today, I found an old first aid kit (a small travel one) I brought ages ago from Sainsbury’s. To my surprise, it had a mask and gloves inside it. Not a surgical mask either but a disposable face mask. So you may well have masks & gloves hidden away inside your first aid kits already.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 18:41

3 new cases of #Coronavirus in #Norway

LittleSwede · 27/02/2020 18:43

ofwarren hope you don't mind me sharing that there are another 4 cases confirmed in Sweden, it just came up on my Swedish news app. Bringing total to 7. Worrying about my parents now and wishing we were in the same country Sad

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 18:51

Italy reports 127 new cases and 3 new deaths, raising country's total to 655 cases and 17 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL

echobench · 27/02/2020 19:00

Excellent article on how to minimise your risk while using public transport: www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-spread-public-transport-avoid/

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 19:05

Coronavirus updates:

  • 6 new cases in UAE
  • 2 new cases in Oman
  • 2 new cases in Switzerland
  • 1 new case in Lebanon
t.co/eUoE2b20hL
wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:05

Just announced 20 new cases in France

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wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:08

Also rumours of a case in NI and ROI but not yet confirmed I don't think

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wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:09

NI case now confirmed on BBC but it doesn't say where exactly...

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ofwarren · 27/02/2020 19:11

Northern Ireland reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:12

These are people from the island who are stuck in tenerife

Prepping for a pandemic...7
sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:13

With photo

Prepping for a pandemic...7
Destinysdaughter · 27/02/2020 19:15

Well I've just done a big online Tesco shop and it's true, there is a run on baked beans! I had to buy the organic ones as no one seems to want them. Grin

Destinysdaughter · 27/02/2020 19:16

Also got 2 small bottles of antibacterial hand gel. They are at all the tills in Primark!

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:23

Haven't watched this yet but might be interesting.

Dr. John answering some FAQ and talking about self-isolation

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georgedawes · 27/02/2020 19:25

Did an asda order earlier, only one brand of hand gel left.

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:25

Lloyd's pharmacy has still got hand gel online for deliver or click a d collect

FuckThisWind · 27/02/2020 19:27

Gave blood this afternoon and to be honest the blood donor carers seemed to be shitting themselves. Some extra measures, they made me come and watch as they prepared everything. Seemed nervous, and voiced the fact that they totally expect things to ramp up soon with their procedures. They said they had been expecting for days to be told to wear masks. As an aside, my donor carer was fab, but has totally made a mess of my finger from iron test. My blood coagulated upon the initial prick, so she squeezed it and blood shot out all over the place. She made a big show of cleaning everything down with anti bac. Don't blame them in the least for their apprehension. They do an amazing job, and must also be worried for their own health.

Oh, and as a PP suggested, everytime they used anti bac, they wiped the pump too.

EliK · 27/02/2020 19:28

Will catch up with John Campbell videos tonight. We still have 0 cases in Scotland but only tested 470 so there's probably some somewhere.

Destinysdaughter · 27/02/2020 19:30

Just saw on the news men are being asked to shave their beards so masks can fit them properly. Well that's one very welcome side effect of this damn virus!

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 19:32

Except for me. DH has a bald head which works quite well with his stubble...but without it he looks like a worm BlushGrin

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Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 19:37

"Another Mumsnet user said: 'I've cleaned and prepped the farm caravan so if needed it could be an isolation suite. Useful place to store surplus supplies, tinned food etc as well'.

Others are drawing up spreadsheets of the items they need to buy to last them weeks or months in self-isolation.

In one discussion on Mumsnet, a poster asked if they were being unreasonable 'to be considering a small stockpile or supplies because of corona?'

They added: 'Reading about the Italian villages that have been put on lockdown and families can't leave their homes has got me thinking...Italy isn't a million miles away. It's not a third world country. If it's happened there...'

Almost 200 people responded to the message, with most saying they are also stockpiling tinned goods, toilet rolls and other supplies.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050747/Families-stockpiling-nappies-food-medicine-coronavirus.html

JustMeAndMyTins · 27/02/2020 19:37

@Destinysdaughter haha! I thought the exact opposite!

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 19:38

I don't have a spreadsheet

I have a list

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