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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 17:48

If you are caring for a sick person at home you need gloves

This is really why I have gloves and a mask. It's not for me as much as the fact we live around the corner from DH's parents who are in their 70s/80s so if they both become ill (but not ill enough for hospital) I can go in and make them meals, clean up, etc without catching it and bringing it back out to spread to other people.

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PatriciaBateman · 27/02/2020 17:48

@ofwarren

I got £6.99 safety glasses from Amazon because they're passable for sunglasses and I'm happy wearing them out and about now - I figure this was better than having safety goggles that I can't bring myself to wear at all.

They seal pretty closely around the eye and you can use vaseline to help seal the gap even more.
However, I'm just looking to reduce the risk rather than eliminate it, so happy with these.

Uvex Pheos Safety Glasses

sideorderofchips · 27/02/2020 17:50

I'm a science technician and bolle are a brilliant brand. I use them at work

echobench · 27/02/2020 17:50

I really don't understand that chat by the Chief Medical Officer. If 40 million people get it in this country and 1-2% die of it... that's a lot of people.

JustMeAndMyTins · 27/02/2020 17:54

@sideorderofchips good to know! Although the Uvex ones linked above are definitely a bit more stylish than mine Smile

echobench · 27/02/2020 17:55

And this is the reaction of a government in another country.

Israel’s Ministry of Health is mandating a 14-day quarantine for all travelers who have visited Italy in the past 14 days. The decree takes effect immediately and is retroactive and, therefore, effective as of February 13th. In order to contain the spread of COVID-19, Israel had already ordered a 14-day home quarantine for travelers coming from China, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore and Thailand. The Health Ministry also issued a travel warning asking Israeli citizens to refrain from traveling abroad. “If you don’t genuinely have to fly — don’t do so,” the Ministry said in a statement.

(This was from the Worldometer site.)

Why can't our government do something like this? Why this apparent nonchalance? "Keep calm and carry on" is all very well but it's also "fiddling while Rome burns" to mix my aphorisms.

FelicityFebruary · 27/02/2020 18:02

Israel do believe in action.

Well done to them.

MissPoldark · 27/02/2020 18:05

I agree @echobench
I’m sure it’s much less painful to do it that way than the potential alternative.

FourTeaFallOut · 27/02/2020 18:06

Nobody mention the Spanish flu. It's got the same CFR and it could be a complete cluster fuck if it ends up everywhere but if it doesn't we should be ok but to be ok might require a collosal shift in how we do things including shutting down schools. But nobody mention the Spanish flu. ....Thanks, Chris 'nothing to see here' Whitty

tryingtoprep · 27/02/2020 18:07

Are all the over-spectacle safety glasses more expensive? Does anyone have any recommendations for us everyday glasses wearers?

echo I think Kuwait is taking similar measures to Israel. I wonder whether our Chief Medical Officer is referring to the group's most likely to die when comparing to Spanish Flu? That killed mostly healthy young people.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 18:09

DCousin's DD is supposed to be going away on a trip to help a charity and can't get hold of the correct anti-malerial. They have tried everywhere they can think of and apparently it has sold out completely as people have bought it as it might help CV or something?
Some of the websites even said on it that you couldn't buy it for CV. But in the last 2 days it has sold out completely everywhere. Apparently they had in the basket online a couple of times and it sold out while they were completing the relevant health quetsionnaire. With a couple of weeks to go, looks like they will have to cancel - but perhaps shouldn't be going anway.

What is interesting is that lots and lots of people have clearly bought this drug in the hope of preventing CV in the UK. Cousin was told was not liscenced for this so people must have made up tall tales about their planned travel arrangements.

I wonder if people have also been stockpiling anti-virals?

wherearemychickens · 27/02/2020 18:14

Is that the one that begins with c?

bellinisurge · 27/02/2020 18:17

Just had my first frank conversation with dh about it.
3 scenarios:

  1. It all blows over and it's nothing.
  2. We are locked down but not poorly.
  3. We all get poorly. Which has its own scenarios. The worst being where DD is ok after a bit of poorliness and dh (mild asthma) and I (MS) are very poorly. We can't send her to her grandparents (2 miles away) because she will be infectious .
We will deal with it as best we can with what we have and will follow official advice once they finally start providing it.
RocketQueen21 · 27/02/2020 18:17

yes chloroquine is the anti malaria drug Doctor John Campbell has just mentioned in his latest post

FourTeaFallOut · 27/02/2020 18:18

Surely it would be really hard to stockpile anti-virals? It would be much easier to get hold or anti-malarials because, as you say, it's just a matter of saying that you are off to a country with the disease but surely you'd have to see a doctor and present with a virus to get hold of anti-virals?

justchecking1 · 27/02/2020 18:20

Is there still chloroquine in modern tonic water?

[Breaks our the gin hopefully]

EliK · 27/02/2020 18:20

I read on reddit that a malaria drug was looking promising against coronavirus in trials? No idea if there's any truth to it, I didn't look into it.

RocketQueen21 · 27/02/2020 18:22

You can buy it online after completing a general assessment but it seems to be out of stock online in most places

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 18:25

German state of North Rhine-Westphalia reports 14 new cases of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 18:26

Yes it's that. She's off to Haiti! Well supposed to be.

LittleSwede · 27/02/2020 18:27

3d case confirmed in Sweden, it is thought he contacted CV in Germany.

LittleSwede · 27/02/2020 18:27

Contracted, not contacted!

RainySaturday · 27/02/2020 18:27

Builders have used can looks for a while now. A few car tyres piled up with an open bin bag inside. Folded over the top but one tyre. Could be an answer.

RocketQueen21 · 27/02/2020 18:28

Apparently it’s under trial and assessment in over 100 Covid19 patients in China currently

RainySaturday · 27/02/2020 18:30

Van loo, not can loo. As in, loo in the back of the van.

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