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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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EliK · 27/02/2020 14:10

Was in a primary school today and couldn't help but notice how often the children pick their nose, put fingers in mouth and cough without covering their mouth Shock

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 14:21

I see the Uber lady is on a ventilator. Bad news indeed

OfftoPenscome · 27/02/2020 14:23

The Daily Mail are reading this thread and quoting it!!!

Can’t copy the link but there is an article in their main page.

ScatteredMama82 · 27/02/2020 14:24

@EliK primary school kids are grotty! (My own included)

FourTeaFallOut · 27/02/2020 14:26

Oh great, hope they don't tell DH we have a chest freezer coming and we have 50 rolls of toilet paper in the loft.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 14:27

So WHO conference today, much of the same messaging as usual:

  • For countries that don't yet have any community transmission this is your window of opportunity to nip things in the bud
  • China has shown that aggressive interventions can prevent widespread outbreak, they gave Guangdong as an example where the contact tracing & isolation and lockdowns managed to limit spread to just 0.14% of the population
  • No country should underestimate the virus or make any assumptions about it (e.g. assumptions that it will not spread in tropical climates)
  • This is a "very dangerous virus" with "potential to become a pandemic"
  • All countries need to have aggressive plans in place for four scenarios and these plans should be developed in parallel:
  1. First few imported cases
  2. Clusters
  3. Community transmission
  4. Sustained epidemic

He was asked about the high death rate in Iran and basically said they were taken by surprise so probably haven't found the mild cases yet.

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YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 14:27

@OfftoPenscome

It's actualy quite funny - portays a load of people buying chest freezers and camping toilets... they really have missed the point and have declared it panic buying. Dear oh dear

Notashandyta · 27/02/2020 14:28

Briefly delurking to say thank you so much OP, there are many of us reading and appreciating your posts
This thread is our go to for coronavirus info

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 14:29

Not that it makes any difference but the Daily Mail can fuck right off.

...and quoting social media threads isn't proper journalism.

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EliK · 27/02/2020 14:32

Awwwww f*ck off Daily Mail! Let us get on with it, it's not news.

fearnotsnot · 27/02/2020 14:33

Families stockpiling nappies, food and medicine because of coronavirus
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Well we've needed a chest freezer for ages anyway, we're a big family 🤷🏻‍♀️

GorkyMcPorky · 27/02/2020 14:35

Oh I hate that. And they can't spell.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 14:35

I find it highly amusing that a post about a MN Krusteaze pancake mix being at the post office is 'news'

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GorkyMcPorky · 27/02/2020 14:37

Cringe. I've got to go and collect the fucking stuff.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 14:37

I see the Uber lady is on a ventilator. Bad news indeed

I hadn't seen that, I did wonder if her case was more serious since she is still in hospital Sad

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FourTeaFallOut · 27/02/2020 14:38

It makes you wonder if Daily Mail readers understand the concept of panic buying? They might get a rude awakening when they are caught short and find out that it doesn't include thinking about meals, writing a list and leisurely making your way around the store.

OfftoPenscome · 27/02/2020 14:39

Quite agree that screen shots of posts is not what I would call journalism.

Hopefully they will get bored and buzz off.

TipseyTorvey · 27/02/2020 14:43

I don't think they realise 'preppers' is short for 'prepared'. Given the motto of the girl guides is 'always be prepared' it should be lauded rather than mocked but it's okay . We'll cosy up with our tins whilst those that haven't thought ahead rip each other to shreds over the last tub of taramasalata.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 14:43

Also, I'm currently writing a novel about an apocalyptic virus so with that in mind, I feel it would be very very foolish of me not to prep just a little bit...

How timely!

I was thinking yesterday that if you took the worst bits of things that have already happened and strung them together it would make quite a scary read (people welded into apartments, nurses dropping dead from exhaustion, riot in Ukraine, etc) but that in reality even with all of that going on most people are just sitting at home with a cup of tea (even in China in lockdown).

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WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 27/02/2020 14:44

Prior Preparation Prevents Poor Performance.

Quote that, you Daily Mail utter fuckwits Grin

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 14:44

We'll cosy up with our tins whilst those that haven't thought ahead rip each other to shreds over the last tub of taramasalata.

Grin

Exactly! I shall be dunking chocolate digestives in cups of tea watching Netflix while they queue three hours for masks or have fisticuffs over bog roll.

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bellinisurge · 27/02/2020 14:48

Hey Daily Mail , go fuck yourselves.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 27/02/2020 14:52

The Daily Mail is a predatory, exploitative, misogynistic, low-rent rag. Quote that.

AmelieTaylor · 27/02/2020 14:52

GLOVES

I want to buy some, but I have NO idea which to buy. I have one packet of nitrate but they’re blue and Id quite like some white/clear ones that I won’t feel like such a twat wearing in public

I usually have some in anyway for DIY/chemicals/vomiting/other cleaning up

So they’ll get used. But I want to buy the best ones for this

Latex or vinyl?

What do I need to check for?

TIA

RedLentilYellowLentil · 27/02/2020 14:52

Though it might have its uses if we all run out of loo roll, I suppose.

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