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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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Givemeabreakpls · 27/02/2020 13:26

@AmelieTaylor thanks so much. Will check local stock now!

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 13:27

Have you checked wickes @IceWings ?

Apricotfool · 27/02/2020 13:34

My multi billion dollar employer has always supplied a huge pump pot of high alcohol hand gel in each of the forty toilets in my work building. Would you borrow one?

GorkyMcPorky · 27/02/2020 13:35

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IceWings · 27/02/2020 13:35

No masks at Screwfix or Wickes, either online or in local shops.

Apricotfool · 27/02/2020 13:36

Thanks for the mask advice, I’ll keep looking for a cheap source. I’m thinking of a flight I have booked in 4 weeks but Im doubting it will go ahead now anyway. I’d like to be able to get out of the house if quarantined though

FrenchBoule · 27/02/2020 13:38

Hello, first time in here so might wonder off in search for older threads and compare with my checklist.

Currently eating off the freezer as lots of stuff in there

Hopefully will visit the shops at the weekend so will get some supplies.

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 13:41

One thing I'm doing today which I've meant to do anyway to reduce plastic is swapping to milk deliveries.

I'm hoping that way we can continue to get milk for as long as the dairy has it even if there is panic buying at the supermarket.

Not sure if that would play out to be correct but since I was going to do it anyway I might as well.

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wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 13:43

WHO have just announced a press conference in a few mins

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/02/2020 13:45

Thank you Electrichedgehog that was a really helpful post.

TipseyTorvey · 27/02/2020 13:46

Just popped out to get more supplies specific to being ill as I think we have enough food now but I am concerned about us all being ill and not having enough diarolyte etc. Got restricted to 2 packets at super drug who are also rationing hand gel. Still at least I have some now.

GatoFofo · 27/02/2020 13:48

In light of Poppy’s family not being tested despite having symptoms after returning from Northern Italy, how the hell did the Tenerife case in Buxton get tested? Tenerife, despite the positive case and hotel lockdown, isn’t on the ‘call 111’ list.

Makes me think that our low number of cases is due to lack of testing in many areas, anecdotally it seems to depend on which person answers the 111 call?

shouldhavecalleditoatabix · 27/02/2020 13:50

@apricotfool it's probably tempting but I wouldn't borrow one. Mainly because having it there is a useful supply while you're at work and if people are using it that will help keep your building and colleagues safe. If every employee 'borrowed' one you would all have lovely virus free homes and issues at work. As against the grain as it feels I think you have to work with the masses.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 27/02/2020 13:52

We are going to end up with builders not being able to do their jobs safely because they won't be able to get masks to do their work safely. (/looks forlornly at asbestos roof that we can finally afford to sort out)

MyFavouriteColourIsBlue · 27/02/2020 13:54

Do the WHO usually suddenly announce press conferences? Or are they about to announce something important?

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 13:54

@GatoFofo

They went to their GP hence why the medical centre is closed down for cleaning.

So we have moaned about people doing that but perhaps they felt quite sure and had called 111 and then decided to push for a test @ GP?

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ofwarren · 27/02/2020 13:55

Masoumeh Ebtekar, one of Iran's vice presidents, has tested positive for coronavirus - IRNA

That's 3 in their parliament

wheresmymojo · 27/02/2020 13:55

I think this could be a standard one, not sure.

I will watch and summarise for the thread.

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Gammeldragz · 27/02/2020 13:55

Not caught up yet, just been in the cupboard under the stairs for an hour and a half, organising and inventorying the food prep. Have more of some things than I thought and less of others (2 cans of chopped tomatoes!).
I should do the freezers but it makes my hands cold so I usually get DH to do it but he's out of action at the moment (his Mum died on Monday and he has bipolar with bad depression at the moment and is currently not a whole lot of use, understandably!).

Prepping for a pandemic...7
Prepping for a pandemic...7
Apricotfool · 27/02/2020 13:57

@shouldhavecalleditoatabix I know, you’re right. I couldn’t bring myself to steal one but I will admit it’s tempting

BadBadBeans · 27/02/2020 13:58

I've never prepped before but like someone upthread, I have a small child and a baby and I suddenly felt the need to make sure we had enough in stock. We also live in a multi-gen household and there are quite a few of us, so I'm concerned that if one of us got coronavirus and then it slowly worked its way through us we would have to self-isolate for ages!

I've just got a load of dried basics that we could eke out for several weeks. Rice, pasta, cous cous, porridge. Then dried beans, chickpeas, lentils. Calpol for the kids. Loo roll for us. I've got washable nappies so I just stocked up on washing powder. Very interesting to read what everyone else has thought of!

A friend of mine has pointed out that we could just have food dropped off even if we had to self-isolate. I agree, but I suppose I've got the supplies in for a situation where things got to pandemic-level and it might be hard to acquire food or indeed to find someone to drop it off.

Also, I'm currently writing a novel about an apocalyptic virus so with that in mind, I feel it would be very very foolish of me not to prep just a little bit...

tryingtoprep · 27/02/2020 13:58

I read in the evening standard (online version) that the Chinese woman in hospital was on a ventilator. It was a few days ago and I can't find the link now. Perhaps it's been taken down or they got it wrong.

I'm fairly well prepped now. The one thing I'm very low on is bloody handgel! I'm the one out of all my friends and family who always has handgel. They used to laugh at me and now they've all stocked up on it. I've been using the Milton one for years. I'm going into town soon to try to find some.

AvocadoOwl · 27/02/2020 13:58

@MyFavouriteColourIsBlue where can we watch it?

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 14:02

The WHO broadcast live on twitter. I think they do on Facebook too

MissPoldark · 27/02/2020 14:05

Oh no, Yes you did read that, here it is @tryingtoprep

www.standard.co.uk/news/health/rory-stewart-london-restrict-travel-coronavirus-a4370911.html

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