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Prepping for a pandemic...7

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wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 19:29

7th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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RedLentilYellowLentil · 27/02/2020 12:45

@shouldhavecalleditoatabix

I think this is a confirmed and reputable fact (I read it in the Guardian) but some experts are saying it may not be as significant as first thought. The assumption (and fear) is that it means people can be reinfected once recovered, but a medical prof from UEA is saying it's equally likely to be a relapse from the original infection. He said that it seems the tests are not 100% reliable (although that's a whole different worry of course).

Duckyneedsaclean · 27/02/2020 12:46

Just been to GP as dd has a bad cough and temperature (was concerned about chest infection). Not one question about travel, contact with those who have travelled, nothing.

AmelieTaylor · 27/02/2020 12:48

@RedLentilYellowLentil

Wouldn't it be amazing if this was the push that Iran needed to finally cave and release her. Praying isn't really in my skillset but if it were this is definitely one thing I would be including in today's edition

Totally agree with all of your post!!

Fucking BORIS needs to TRY to make up for his almighty fuck up in that regard, it’s the least the idiot can do.

Notmyideamovingon · 27/02/2020 12:50

Apparently order was "abandoned at the warehouse" and all that was available was a refund. So if you've done a screw fix order yesterday don't hold your breathe

AmelieTaylor · 27/02/2020 12:52

@Duckyneedsaclean

Jesus Christ.

What is it going to take????

Maybe, to give them the slight benefit if the doubt, the type if cough she has indicated it wouldn’t be OR they assumed you’d have more sense than to take her to the GP if you thought it could be?! I’m guessing more likely bloody incompetence, though

jimmychooing · 27/02/2020 12:52

I've been reading and appreciating all the effort going in to these threads - thank you

I've food and cleaning products prepped as much as I think I can, but hadn't got gloves or masks. Is everyone now getting masks (or got them)? I'm undecided. Single use gloves are difficult for me as I have latex allergy but I also only have one bathroom at home so I assumed that if one of us got it...well...

Apricotfool · 27/02/2020 12:53

Thanks for the thread! I’ve just placed an Asda order for stocks. What staples from China might be in short supply?
Does anyone please have a link for cheap surgical masks from amazon/eBay, I’m seeing £35 per mask when I check. Ta! X

AmelieTaylor · 27/02/2020 12:54

@Notmyideamovingon

Bugger. Hopefully they can get you some in soon. I’m surprised they didn’t text you to say, they’re normally really good advising about your order arriving or any delays etc.

GorkyMcPorky · 27/02/2020 12:57

@shouldhavecalleditoatabix I heard it on R4 news this morning.

Funkycats · 27/02/2020 12:58

Jimmy you can get vinyl gloves that are latex free in most chemist's. I work in care and bought some this morning and they had the usual amount of stock

Duckyneedsaclean · 27/02/2020 12:59

@AmelieTaylor I hope so! Although she has an Italian name 🤷🏼‍♀️

My GP always does a phone consult before you go in, so was expecting questions then. But nope!

NcFortuna · 27/02/2020 13:03

People disgust me. Walking through M&S Foodhall earlier I saw a woman openly cough (TWICE) onto a packet of cooked ham that she was holding to read the ingredients label. Then she put it back.

This whole Coronavirus issue is making me much more aware how low some people’s hygiene standards are.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 27/02/2020 13:04

£35 per mask. Fuck me. Shock

Funkycats · 27/02/2020 13:05

I'm not doing gloves or masks. I was under the impression that unless you wear full medical protective sorts plus goggles they don't do any good. They also get soggy quickly which is uncomfortable and I believe can actually create a greater likelihood of taking bugs. Plus they steam up your glasses...
I just looked up online what happens once a pandemic is officially declared, and apparently protective gear is issued. Unclear as to whom though. Probably those on the front line.
Somebody did say on hear that wearing a mask gives the advantage of not touching your own face with unwashed hands.
I figure that within our home, if one gets it we all will, given that the incubation period is long. So unlikely to be isolating or barrier nursing. Unless advice changes on that.

Funkycats · 27/02/2020 13:06

Oh yuk, nc that's revolting!

madoldcat · 27/02/2020 13:07

People disgust me. Walking through M&S Foodhall earlier I saw a woman openly cough (TWICE) onto a packet of cooked ham that she was holding to read the ingredients label. Then she put it back.

Was it at least naice ham?

I have just stocked up on food a little, so if anything does happen we have plenty in to tide us over.

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 13:07

California's latest patient with coronavirus was admitted to hospital on February 19 but was not tested for days because of CDC's narrow testing criteria, officials say - NYT

NcFortuna · 27/02/2020 13:08

I dug out a couple of P2 masks from the decorating supplies in the garage. I know masks in general aren’t much use but I’m considering future quarantine rules of only being allowed out if wearing a mask. Unlikely I think but they are there if I need them.

NcFortuna · 27/02/2020 13:09

@madoldcat well, it was M&S so no! 😂

jimmychooing · 27/02/2020 13:11

That was my thinking too @funkycats - just wanted to check what the general feel for masks and gloves was. I can't see any way of keeping everything virus free if one of us gets it in the house Confused

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 13:12

The health secretary has said staff self-isolating because of the new coronavirus should get sick pay. t.co/WxcTLmkmSv

Funkycats · 27/02/2020 13:16

Sorry I missed the explanation about the updates.
Makes sense. I just thought that a prep thread and a news thread were separate things.
Didn't realise it had been done to death as these threads move so fast Flowers

ofwarren · 27/02/2020 13:17

St Peter's High School in Gloucester sends visiting Italian students home The students were visiting the Gloucestershire school from northern Italy which is at the centre of coronavirus outbreak t.co/MJVKLezfxk t.co/AyCxgHvSYb

EliK · 27/02/2020 13:17

Just catching up. Watching BBC news - the English Tenerife case is concerning, obviously it's not contained to that hotel. And a death in France with no travel links? Going to continue shopping for supplies while I can.

IceWings · 27/02/2020 13:22

The health secretary has said staff self-isolating because of the new coronavirus should get sick pay
What about people who don’t normally get sick pay when they’re off sick? Lots of min wage workers especially those on zero hour contracts don’t get any sick pay for the first 3 days, after which they get £94 per week. That’s less than a third of their salary, they can’t afford to stay at home.

I notice that Screwfix has restricted sales of masks to five per customer. Which is irrelevant as they’re all out of stock anyway. Is there anywhere that masks are still available?

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