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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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discoballz · 26/02/2020 18:09

Thank God @VenetoResident!

Dennisreynoldsduster · 26/02/2020 18:10

That’s interesting @discoballz a couple of my relatives are high up in the nhs and they aren’t even slightly bothered which has really surprised me

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 18:11

Country of Georgia reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

bobbbbby · 26/02/2020 18:12

Potturotter I worked for the local authority about 10 yrs ago and was heavily involved in pandemic strategy planning, which encompassed how to maintain essential front line services whilst managing staff shortages etc as well looking at the wider community responsibilities (public health, managing capacity at crematoriums etc). So yes, lots of plans in place, but think they are holding back till it gets worse tbh

discoballz · 26/02/2020 18:15

Yes I have a medical friend who is literally "It's no worse than seasonal flu".

Legoandloldolls · 26/02/2020 18:16

pickupapenguin 🤣

Legoandloldolls · 26/02/2020 18:19

Still worried about ds GCSE's I wonder if they would just resit in November and allow thWhethem.A levels with predicted grades?

Where is Boris? It's like where's Wally?

MissPoldark · 26/02/2020 18:24

I’ve spoken to a nurse, a GP and a hospital consultant and they don’t seem bothered eitherConfused
I’m not sure I believe them, I think they’re just being professional.

Notmyideamovingon · 26/02/2020 18:24

So good to hear from you veneto.I how ds starts to feel better soon xx finished prep today and picking up masks from screwfix tomorrow. Feeling "ready". Lots of mini carex in Sainsburys this am, I was one of three people looking at them at 8:30 am though! Also decent sticks of dettol products. I felt there were a few extra people with loads of loo roll / tins and uht milk in their trolley. That's not really usual in this bit if the world as it's fairly affluent.

bellinisurge · 26/02/2020 18:25

If I didn't have MS, wasn't over 50, didn't have a dh with asthma, elderly relatives and a child I'd probably be blasé as well.

FourTeaFallOut · 26/02/2020 18:30

Yes, it's quite telling when all the posters who are super chill about it have usernames ending in 1990, give or take a few years.

NebbiaZanzare · 26/02/2020 18:34

@VenetoResident

I'm so pleased to hear he's both negative and a little better.

Here's wishing your family a fast track transition to the "I am so bored and fed up of being stuck in the house with my family all day everyday" stage.

Which appears to arrived today for many in my town judging by my facebook feed.

And it's only Wednesday. Grin

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 18:35

Even if the death rate is low, you would assume medical staff would be concerned about the strain on the NHS? All the extra cases? They are being very naïve in my opinion

YoursTunbridgeWells · 26/02/2020 18:38

@bellinisurge yup. Just can't be blase anymore. Elderly relatives, smoking DH (I can't tell you how much this cheeses me off), I'm an ex smoker with mild asthma (oh and I currently have a mild chest infection) and children, one of whom is a serious risk for a number of reasons and we are unlikely tobe able to protect him.

FourTeaFallOut · 26/02/2020 18:39

They are being very naïve in my opinion

Some people don't know that they are running late until they arrive somewhere late.

Twixes · 26/02/2020 18:40

It's so good to hear from you @VenetoResident! Wishing your son a very speedy recovery. What an ordeal for you all to go through Thanks

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 18:40

#ITALY— #coronavirus cases rise to 400

RedLentilYellowLentil · 26/02/2020 18:40

Yes I have a medical friend who is literally "It's no worse than seasonal flu".

Yes, me too. I think a lot of frontline NHS staff have been almost brainwashed by the DoH/PHE into thinking that the only thing that matters is defusing panic, and that therefore anyone expressing concern must be 'panicking' and must be stopped from panicking. They are literally quoting statistics that are completely inaccurate about both seasonal flu and Covid.

I saw an article in the online edition of Pulse the other day (the GP's newspaper) about managing walk-in ?Covid cases, and the first comment underneath was from a GP in North London who was like, 'Why do we care about this, what's the big deal?'

It's very odd. I want to grab my doctor friends by the shoulders and shake them out of the trance they seem to be in.

HasaDigaEebowai · 26/02/2020 18:47

I have a number of senior medics as friends (in fact most of my friends are medics). They think its coming and it will hit hard.

nicslackey · 26/02/2020 18:47

Got DWP guidance today so feeling very reassured (not) You are not allowed to wear masks, The likelihood of contracting Covid 19 from a colleague is very low as it requires close and extended contact, WTAF?
Staff who are sick will have sick leave applied as normal. Customers who do not attend appointments in public offices from fear of contamination will not be excused which of course means sanctioned. The caring face of our tory government.

EliK · 26/02/2020 18:49

Good to hear from you @VenetoResident
I'm another one that knows NHS staff that aren't bothered. They found it quite exciting when they had their first false alarm Hmm

EliK · 26/02/2020 18:51

Wow @nicslackey that's ridiculous but unfortunately not surprising.

NaturalBornWoman · 26/02/2020 18:51

Yes, it's quite telling when all the posters who are super chill about it have usernames ending in 1990, give or take a few years.

Maybe they’re all secretly hoping to get their hands on the dosh 20 years sooner than they expected! Harsh but they’re really starting to get on my tits.

Skyejuly · 26/02/2020 18:53

I agree. No shame in being informed and prepared.

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