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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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EliK · 26/02/2020 12:38

Homebase had a 3 pack of P3 masks last week, not sure if they still do.

Tinnednut · 26/02/2020 12:38

I've set Skype up on the iPad my DD uses so we can keep in touch with the grandparents, I will make sure she know how to use it.

I suspect the utilities have contingency plans for 'lock ins' or military will take over running.
I'm really not worried about utilities although I would have a couple of days water at hand just in case there is short term problems things won't get seen to as quickly as usual.

BlackeyedSusan · 26/02/2020 12:39

Young male... now there's a surprise. I have one of those too. Only 11 so a long while to go before they finally realise maybe I did know a bit after all. Mind you my other child thinks I know everything and always right.

Mazarinegreen · 26/02/2020 12:40

Thanks @yourstunbridgewells - all the click and collect locations near me for Screwfix are sold out..I have a large-ish family and was put off by the expense last week - wish I'd got some then now though!

Orangecake123 · 26/02/2020 12:40

@ofwarren

Thank you for taking the time to post the updates! I personally like having one thread to just check instead of multiple ones.

EliK · 26/02/2020 12:40

Never mind I can't see the masks I'm talking about online anymore.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 26/02/2020 12:41

Yes, I thought that about the price of the reusable masks with filters @YoursTunbridgeWells. Screwfix still had the £17.99 ones yesterday, but the replacement filters are another £9.99 and there are 5 of us here. I just can't justify it. I thought about just getting one for me, as I'm the one who will most likely end up running any errands etc if the shtf, but couldn't make a decision and left it altogether in the end. I expect they'll be sold out soon and it'll be out of my hands then. Probably not a very sensible way to make decisions!

ScatteredMama82 · 26/02/2020 12:42

I haven't posted before, but I am watching with interest. We always have a full freezer and pantry so I'm not 'prepping' as such. I do keep topping up tins, soup and paracetamol/ibuprofen though. We live in a very rural area, but DH works away all week in Oxfordshire and I'm worried he's going top end up in quarantine alone down there :(

AutumnCrow · 26/02/2020 12:47

Matt Hancock making a statement now in the Commons.

'Contain; Delay; Research; Mitigate.' That's the plan.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 26/02/2020 12:47

Oh, yeah, just checked again. 1 mask left, no filters. That's that then! I'll probably end up going out for medicines and firewood with nothing but a muslin square wrapped around my face - got lots of them!

YoursTunbridgeWells · 26/02/2020 12:48

@redlentilyellowlentil When you read the WHO they have said masks are only needed if you are taking care of someone who is ill I think? They are not needed technically to protect us.

I think it may be wise to have a couple of disposables for leaving home and collecting food in case of emergency. But if we are mandated to wear masks to collect food and medicines etc, they would have to be provided somehow. They are not the sort of thing people in this country have lying around, they are also not readily available at the moment or cheap (they would be ordinarily).

I wouldn't panic. And I am cross at how people are profiting from this. I know it's just supply and demand economics but it's very distasteful.

Orangecake123 · 26/02/2020 12:52

I have a friend from Portugal- she said her university has been shut down just in case.

RedLentilYellowLentil · 26/02/2020 12:55

Yes, agreed @YoursTunbridgeWells. That's why I left it tbh. I think there are only limited situations masks are necessary/useful and I'd rather spend the money on other things.

And yes, the people who are profiting from selling them at ridiculous prices are revolting imo. If I (hypothetically) had a warehouse full of them, it genuinely wouldn't even occur to me to sell them for a massively inflated price on ebay or whatever. I'd be offering them free of charge to the NHS. I reckon this kind of situation really sorts the wheat from the chaff.

Twixes · 26/02/2020 12:57

@Legoandloldolls this has reminded me to get more honey!

I bought a ham and plan on cooking and roasting it and then slicing and freezing it. Should be good for lunches and maybe some pasta dinners.

PurpleCalm · 26/02/2020 13:01

@Twixes if you put baking paper in between the slices before freezing you can use a slice at a time if needed. I also bought a big ham last week and cooked to freeze.

TankGirl97 · 26/02/2020 13:08

Ham for the freezer is a great idea, I've added a joint to my shopping list.
I popped to town to get more antibac this morning, most places were sold out but I found some in superdrug. Overheard someone asking if they sold masks in there too.
I'm as prepped as I plan to be, full cupboards and freezer, extra food/medicine/cleaning products all sorted.

BlackeyedSusan · 26/02/2020 13:27

Wickes still have both the disposable masks and the reusable respirators on sale in click and collect in many, many of their stores.

QueSera · 26/02/2020 13:46

@ofwarren@ were there more people asking for updates to be moved than those of us who really want them here?
If they have moved, where are they now? Sorry I know people have mentioned and AIBU thread but I can't find it...

AvocadoOwl · 26/02/2020 13:47

I'm still thinking of @VenetoResident and her family. I know that 4 children have been diagnosed in Italy but looking at the below Reuters quote I'm hoping this means that her DS (who was tested a few days ago) isn't one of them as the child cases appear to be in Lombardy rather than Veneto?

^Officials in Lombardy, which includes Italy's financial capital Milan, said cases had risen overnight to 259 from 240 on Tuesday, with four children, including a 4-year-old girl, infected in the first such cases in the country.
In neighboring Veneto, the number of people confirmed to have caught the flu-like virus was 58, an increase of 13 on the previous tally given on Tuesday.^

ofwarren · 26/02/2020 13:48

More people complained on this post yes. I'm just at college and I'll up date later and give you the link.

QueSera · 26/02/2020 13:51

Thanks @ofwarren, I'm very grateful for your updates!

Snowdropdelight · 26/02/2020 13:55

Oh no!! I much prefer this thread.. Why of Warren....

wheresmymojo · 26/02/2020 13:57

This is the other CV thread for more general chat and updates

To be worried about coronavirus part 4 http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3831558-to-be-worried-about-coronavirus-part-4

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AvocadoOwl · 26/02/2020 13:58

I appreciate your updates @ofwarren. As the saying goes, you can't please all the people all the time Wink

Fairylights2021 · 26/02/2020 14:05

I was also finding all the updates really helpful too. There seemed to be more people in favour of them than finding them too much, which I totally appreciate as I’m hugely anxious about the situation but I’ve been using this thread as my main source of information as it’s been nice and balanced and factual and it saves me constantly searching for information. I’m almost prepped but for me keeping up to date with the wider picture is important in terms of deciding when to do a last shop for fresh stuff. Please could we bring the updates back as it feels like they were much needed for many of us. I’ve been trying to follow the other thread too but so much easier to just have the one to follow.

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