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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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ofwarren · 24/02/2020 16:01

Checking in!

Dennisreynoldsduster · 24/02/2020 16:04

Thanks for the new thread

Pinkerpellosa · 24/02/2020 16:06

I've been following since the first thread. Thank you all.

Wondering - even if Covid passes us by the factories in China might take months/years (?) to recover.
So are you all stocking up on things like plasters / lightbulbs/ dish scrubbers etc that are not urgent but useful and (probably) come from China?

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 16:07

Checking in.

SawingForTeens · 24/02/2020 16:07

My Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by Johns Hopkins CSSE page isn't loading... for about an hour now. The info boxes just say "not fully configured" ??

quirrels · 24/02/2020 16:09

These threads move fast.
Antibiotics may not be any use against covid but certainly any pneumonia complications would need them.

wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:09

So I'm challenging myself now on whether this could turn out to be another 'swine flu' (so a small number of deaths, nothing to worry about for 99.98% of people).

Could it?

I wish I'd paid more attention in 2009.

If it had started in a different country (not China) and we hadn't seen people welded into their own apartments and such would we be as blasé about it as we were about swine flu?

I barely remember it registering to be honest (and that seems to be where my friends are now with CV).

I'm trying to get up articles from the early days of swine flu to see what the deaths/cases in Mexico looked like early on and how that compares but finding it difficult...

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AutumnCrow · 24/02/2020 16:09

So, I have set myself a challenge, to spend the next four weeks only eating food from my own Brexit stash with BBE dates in the first half 2020, only buying fresh milk as needed.

It will teach me the invaluable lesson of stocking up in future on things that I actually like. Being stuck inside for a month facing a bank of tinned macaroni cheese and a packet of mint imperial isn't a bundle of laughs. As for the tinned sprouts ...

RhubarbTea · 24/02/2020 16:10

Checking in, thanks for the new thread!

wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:10

Are tinned sprouts an actual thing? ConfusedEnvy

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AvocadoOwl · 24/02/2020 16:11

Just checking in. Thanks mojo Smile

Givemeabreakpls · 24/02/2020 16:12

Thanks Mojo 😊

AutumnCrow · 24/02/2020 16:13

So that's HRT buggered again, is it? I've still got 'owing notes' from pharmacies from the last shortage. Had to buy the patches privately in the end.

Scaremonger · 24/02/2020 16:14

ooo I love sprouts, I would try them! Although I might be in a minority in my house

AutumnCrow · 24/02/2020 16:14

@wheresmymojo yes, tinned sprouts tragically exist.

NotYourTypicalNerd · 24/02/2020 16:14

PMK :)

Twixes · 24/02/2020 16:15

Thanks for the new thread :)

Regarding storing potatoes; I always keep mine in my utility which is actually quite warm, but dark so they chit/grow eyes fairly quickly. If I put them in my shed or in a garden storage box I presume they'll last longer? Anyone any idea how long they'd last? Can i do this with carrots, onions, garlic and parsnips too?

Dennisreynoldsduster · 24/02/2020 16:15

Daily mail link so not sure on credibility but this is Sobering www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8037835/Coronavirus-rapidly-fitting-Disease-X-category-World-Health-Organization-expert-warns.html

amd4578 · 24/02/2020 16:17

@wheresmymojo its interesting with swine flu when people talk about this virus. swine flu was always considered not that bad [obviously for some it was] but there were over 1million cases of swine flu in the USA alone within 2 months. with CV were at 70k in that time. If this had come from a country other than the unreliable china then there would not be the hysteria there is currently

HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 16:20

I think the troubling thing with this is the Rvalue (rate at which it spreads) and the level of deaths we have had even with the most severe of restrictions, welding people into their buildings and burning the currency. Plus the strong possibility that the figures from China are underplayed.

Let hope it all blows over though. Most people don't seem to give a damn.

ifonly4 · 24/02/2020 16:22

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RedLentilYellowLentil · 24/02/2020 16:26

Hi all, I've NC'd since the last thread.

First Monday back at school, and I've just discovered that a child in my DC's class was in 'self-isolation' before half term. Thanks for telling us, school. Not. Never mind the older DC, who is immunocompromised, and my 88yo mother (who in fairness will probably outlive us all). Very pissed off that we weren't put in a position to make our own decision about attendance.

ifonly4 · 24/02/2020 16:29

I bought some frozen sprouts last week and froze them. They're in a large container under frozen carrots, so only I know they're thereGrin

SleepWarrior · 24/02/2020 16:29

Most people don't seem to give a damn, but that changes in the blink of an eye when it lands on their doorstep, like in Italy right now. I expect the modern way we get news doesn't help - a constant deluge of very serious things happening in other places that don't directly affect our lives. We feel very used to not needing to react to such things.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 16:31

@RedLentilYellowLentil I would have been furious 🤬 how did you find out?

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