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Prepping for a pandemic...6

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 16:00

6th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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xGAIAx · 24/02/2020 17:29

First time on this thread. I've run down my Brexit stash slightly, still enough for 4 weeks I'm sure. I'll stock take later and go shopping tomorrow.

All this talk of Swine flu gives me the heebie jeebies, I was unlucky enough to get it.

preponderings · 24/02/2020 17:41

Nothing intelligent to add...

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 17:47

NEW: Another 18 Americans who were passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship test positive for coronavirus after being evacuated to the U.S.; they are all in quarantine t.co/eUoE2b20hL

MarmiteRocks · 24/02/2020 17:50

Placemarking

IamnotaStepfordHousewife · 24/02/2020 17:51

Another lurker here. I did a little prepping / hoarding for Brexit and now thinking of rebuilding supplies due to this situation.

Olliphant · 24/02/2020 17:53

I had a look through my food - have about 16 nice meals in there, struggling with what to have for lunches excet soup? (presuming no eggs)....I was thinking of buying melba toast to have with beans or pate...anyone got good suggestion??

Choux · 24/02/2020 18:03

Eggs last weeks in the fridge and can also be frozen

www.thespruceeats.com/how-to-freeze-eggs-for-later-use-in-cooking-1388434

zen1 · 24/02/2020 18:07

I had a bit of a panic today over not being able to get milk for my tea (I do love a cup of tea!) after seeing footage of the Italian supermarkets. I was delighted when I found one of the bargain shops was stocking individual portions of UHT milk for 38p for ten., so added them to my stock (along with more rice and tinned fruit).

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 18:07

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN20I1OB?__twitter_impression=true
Seventh person dies in coronavirus outbreak in Italy: ANSA news agency

wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 18:07

Lunch wise we would be having something like:

  • Tuna pasta
  • Baked beans or spaghetti hoops on toast (homemade bread)
  • cheese sandwiches (cheese in freezer; homemade bread)

Rinse and repeat. It won't be exciting!

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wheresmymojo · 24/02/2020 18:08

You could have a picky lunch with cheese and crackers, olives, sundried tomatoes, etc.

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Olliphant · 24/02/2020 18:09

@zen1 you can buy tea which has milk in it - you just add water - it looks like coffee....it is surprisingly nice!

I have no space in my freezer for frozen eggs annoyingly - wish I could get another freezer...

Choux · 24/02/2020 18:09

Lunch options:
Tuna mayo
Cheese - cheddar, halloumi
Pate
Philadelphia
Prawns from freezer

All with pasta, crackers etc depending on what you have.

I got chargrilled peppers, olives and sun dried tomatoes in jars from Aldi to add a bit of interest.

Plus last night's dinner leftovers is a possibility.

wherearemychickens · 24/02/2020 18:09

How have they all of a sudden got all these people dying? I thought it took weeks to get to this stage, in which case, why haven't we known about these cases for weeks?

Olliphant · 24/02/2020 18:10

Yes, I have cheese and will put olives on my list - good call!

Olliphant · 24/02/2020 18:10

All of your lunch suggestions are excellent! Many thanks

AvocadoOwl · 24/02/2020 18:10

Because it must have been spreading undetected there for weeks, I assume.

pussycatinboots · 24/02/2020 18:11

You can use frozen eggs as scrambled egg. Not that exciting, but it's not soup Grin

AvocadoOwl · 24/02/2020 18:15

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN20I1OB?twitterimpression=true
Seventh person dies in coronavirus outbreak in Italy: ANSA news agency

I think this is an article from before the lady with cancer's case was removed from the figures. I remember reading about the 7th case being someone already in hospital and the Worldometer site is still saying 6.

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 18:17

Ah ok thankyou avocado! I wish you could delete your own posts 🙈

FecktheBoss · 24/02/2020 18:21

Pmk

zen1 · 24/02/2020 18:22

Thanks Olliphant, I will have a google.

With freezing cheese, how long does it take to defrost before you can eat it?

BookofJudith · 24/02/2020 18:24

PMK (and distracting myself from reading about 2009 SARS spread via diarrhoea “plumes” up to 200m away)

Bookofjudith · 24/02/2020 18:26

Apols 2003 😳

ifonly4 · 24/02/2020 18:29

My treat will be tuna, canned sweetcorn and mayo, hopefully with pitta or tortillasSmile

Tried talking to Mum about prepping before, but she said we don't need to worry as we eat better and have better healthcare and pharmacies than manyHmm. In her defence she's elderly.

Had a chat about prepping again, and she's now saying she'll make sure she's not about to running out of anything. She has to do her shopping on foot and bus, but is aiming to carry one extra thing each time, oats, milk and toilet rolls. Anything is better than nothing and it's a start

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