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Prepping for a pandemic....5

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wheresmymojo · 20/02/2020 15:49

5th thread on prepping for a pandemic and following the risk of a COVID pandemic.

Anxiety

As Preppers we tend to look at a reasonable worst case scenario to plan for. Everyone is welcome on the thread but if you find it makes you anxious be kind to yourself and think about sticking to once daily updates from the BBC or similar Thanks

General COVID Info

The estimated replication rate is R= 2 to 4 based on latest expert estimates. This means each infected person spreads the virus to between 2 and 4 people. Experts estimate that, unchecked, it could infect 60% of the population.

Around 15-20% of cases are thought to be severe - that is resulting in the need for hospitalisation. Around 3-5% requiring ventilation.

The estimated mortality rate is around 1-2% at the moment (compared to 0.01-0.1% for flu). This may change as it is very difficult to estimate mortality.

Children tend to have milder symptoms. Those over 60 with underlying health issues and a history of smoking are more likely to be severe (although not exclusively this type of person).

Spread of COVID

It is estimated that the average incubation period is 3-5 days but can be as long as 24 days.

It can be spread with no symptoms.

It can be spread via droplet (cough/sneeze), aerosol (breathing same air in very close quarters), bodily fluids, fecal/oral route and formites (via surfaces, up to 28 days in the right circumstances but up to 3-5 days in more typical circumstances).

Updates

As this is a novel virus and knowledge is constantly being updated - I will post updates as they become available with links to source.

I am not a medical expert so any opinions or conjecture of my own should be taken with a pinch of salt!

Prepping Scenarios

Most of us are prepping for the following situations:

  • Wanting to stay indoors for 2-4 weeks + in case of a local outbreak / schools being closed
  • Potentially being ill with a flu type illness lasting 2-3 weeks with one or more of the household having the illness
  • Having to take a family member to hospital for COVID or any other reason during an outbreak

Prepping Items

Threads 1&2 have lists of things to think about to prep for the first scenario as do the Brexit prepping threads.

Main differences/additions to something like the Brexit list are:

  • Face masks if you can get them for any trips you have to make in public during an outbreak. These don't offer full protection and cannot be 100% relied upon but are probably better than nothing if you make sure you wear them correctly and dispose of them correctly. N95 masks are best but expensive and harder to wear, surgical face masks are second best. Dust masks are not going to help.
  • Hand sanitiser needs to be 60% or more alcohol content
  • Dettol / bleach / Miltons to disinfect. Not all disinfectants work but these three do
  • Plenty of at home/over counter treatments for flu type symptoms should you need to treat at home
  • Tissues (lots of) should you catch the virus
  • Think about meals that are easy to cook and eat should you be ill or both parents be ill at the same time (soup for example)
  • For a potential hospital trip you may want to prep a 'go bag' should you need to take someone to hospital with the virus (or anything else) during an outbreak. See Thread 1&2 for examples of what people are packing
  • Frequent and thorough hand washing, not touching your face and social distancing (no handshakes, hugs, etc) are some of the most effective ways to stay virus free

Other Thoughts

India have announced that they are stopping exports of some antibiotics, hormone treatments and vitamin supplements as they rely on China for raw materials.

Many factories that supplied fibre for use in sanitary towels and tampons are being diverted to manufacture face masks. Consider stocking up or changing to sustainable items (cloth STs, mooncup, period pants)

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HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 09:06

As I've posted previously, we don't really need to stock up on food here since we had a good brexit stash which is still sitting there but since this is the prepping thread I thought it might be useful to do a very quick recap list for those who are visiting the thread for the first time:

Basic prep list

Masks - if you can afford them then the reuseable FFP3 masks are the best. They will last for around a month. DIY outlets like wickes, homebase and B&Q still have these in stock. They are about £25 each (but per use work out much cheaper than any other decent option). Next best is FFP3 disposable masks which are rapidly selling out everywhere and in theory last for a few hours. These will typically cost between £3 and £8 each. There are various online tutorials about reusing them (basically by spraying, heating and drying them with a hairdryer) but the safety of this has obviously not been verified. Be aware that "N95" is not a UK safety standard and so if you google "N95 masks" not much will come up. We use FFP3 to demote the same level of protection so this is what you need to look for. The 3 is crucial. FFP2 is a lower level of protection.

Surgical masks are the fallback option. They are more effective if taped around the edges with surgical tape. They're basically for ensuring sick people don't cough/breathe directly onto healthy people though and so don't really offer much protection if you're wearing one to avoid infection. They do however stop you from touching your face which is the biggest transmission issue and so they do still have value (particularly for children who touch their faces and everything else a lot). Surgical masks are increasingly difficult to find but Amazon do have some available (at inflated prices).

Soap for washing frequently at home. Bar soap is the best. Ensure everyone is washing their hands frequently (and properly), particularly after being out and about.

Milton fluid for cleaning things like door handles, key boards and phones.

Hand gel for when out and about. You need a 60% alcohol content. Lidl do small bottles with the right content and there are various other brands - carex, milton etc with high alcohol content. If yours has a lower alcohol content you could add surgical spirit or at a push something like nail varnish remover. Alternative to hand gel is a spray of surgical spirit. These should be used when touching things when out and about eg doors, supermarket trolly handles, push buttons etc. If possible try to touch things with your knuckle or your elbow (or not to touch things)

Sun glasses for some very limited protection against transmission through the eyes (although this is not being talked about as much now).

Plenty of tissues/toilet roll. If you don't generally keep a stock of household cleaning stuff in it is worth making sure you have enough washing powder, washing up liquid. Likewise for toiletries and sanitary products.

Over the counter cold and flu meds, throat sweets plus repeat prescriptions of any prescription meds in case you are not able to leave the house. Rehydration meds. Digital thermometer and replacement ear covers. If you're very worried and have vulnerable people at home then you can buy an oxygen level reader for about a tenner.

2-3 weeks of food - only stuff you will eat! Plenty of fresh stuff to use up first (including a big bag of potatoes). Then longer life things like pasta, rice, jarred sauces etc If you are concerned about vitamins then a decent multi vitamin is a good idea too. Think about things like tea and coffee and perishable things like butter, milk (buy UHT and milk powder) and bread (long life wraps/long life naans, crackers, bread mixes, part baked bread/flour and yeast. Milk, butter, cheese even eggs all freeze. Also think about nice food like biscuits, chocolate, cake mixes etc. Consider that hopefully you'll all be well and just staying indoors but it could be the case that you're ill and can only manage things like soups. If you have kids try to keep things as normal as possible for them food wise. No point buying tinned corned beef and finding they won't eat it.

2-3 weeks of pet food if you have pets.

2/3 weeks' worth of alcohol and a netflix subscription!

Dennisreynoldsduster · 24/02/2020 09:11

Great post hasa

Boots still has Milton fluid in stock. The sterilising tablets are still widely available and can be useful for cleaning at a push if you get stuck.

Antibacterial laundry cleanser is a good shout as well - still widely available in UK so far, my local pound shop has a lot of dettol products so worth checking out. They also have long life treats such as brownies etc in sealed Tupperware containers which I always find a handy prep.

RhodaCamel · 24/02/2020 09:11

I started to prep several weeks back, I am adding to it daily and am going to get a chest freezer for the garage (we were going to get one anyhow but just doing it a bit earlier than planned) and fill that up too. My family and friends all ridicule me and think it’s hilarious that I am prepping, I am a born worrier at the best of times and they all think I’m acting over the top. However, I follow Dr John Campbell on YouTube and a few recent comments from his Italian followers have got me thinking, they are saying that this has hit Italy fast and they have urged everyone to prep and stock up asap. My main concern now is that if/when TSHF, none of my family are going to be stocked up and are going to come to me for provisions. I can’t afford to stock extra. This is an extra worry as our parents are in their late 70’s, dm has Alzheimer’s and mil has a terminal/chronic health condition. Is anyone else concerned for their family and friends?

Dennisreynoldsduster · 24/02/2020 09:13

I’m concerned but I haven’t told people what I’m doing because to be honest there are few that I would be able to help. I’ve had a quiet word with my mum and she’s now stockpiling and has got an online shop coming this week. She and dad are both over 60 and he has breathing problems so I want them to be able to stay put as much as possible if the shit hits the fan.

AlohaMolly · 24/02/2020 09:16

Rhoda I live in wales and my family live in the south of England so there’s not much I can do for them really. My PIL live around 40 minutes away but have five dogs and even though I showed MIL my stash this week, she thinks I’m crazy. I won’t have enough for four adults and DS for the length of time I’d like, if they decided to gate crash!

I think my biggest issue will come if we need/are told to quarantine, is that I won’t want to stay with PIL but PIL and DP will want that to happen...

NcFortuna · 24/02/2020 09:17

Thanks for the info on this prepping thread. I’ve been following and it has been useful. Our prepping stash of food and cleaning/medical stuff is complete. The freezer is also stuffed with enough chicken thighs, chips, homemade pies and chilli for a month.

Just waiting on a 4.5kg of pancake mix to be delivered to go with the maple syrup/tinned fruit we bought yesterday. I’ve been holding off on comfort food like chocolate and biscuits because I would eat it all... 😂 When the UK panic buying starts I will just go straight to the Pringles and chocolate aisles...

BlackeyedSusan · 24/02/2020 09:19

With Brexit, people would be a lot more mobile and able to come a begging. With Covid-19, people would have to stay in a bit more. You won't be able to help as much.

NebbiaZanzare · 24/02/2020 09:21

Who'd have thought it would take CV to find all the Italian MN!

Nothing like a shared "errmm they've assigned my area a colour and set out emergency measures we're to obey" experience to bring people together. Grin

I am keeping all digits crossed that you and yours are feeling much better ASAP.

fannyanney · 24/02/2020 09:24

@ofwarren Brexit.....

ofwarren · 24/02/2020 09:38

Brilliantly successful meeting with the head of my son's school!

She had already spoken to the families of Asian decent regarding travel (we live in a very very white area)

She has put alcohol hand gel around the school

They have arranged for a hand hygiene specialist to come in to do sessions with the children.

She is putting out a newsletter reminder to tell people that my son is ill and they need to let her know if they have travelled to the virus area and a reminder of 48 hour rule and the 2 weeks self isolation.

She is going to inform me if she hears of even suspected cases and is totally fine if I don't take my son in!

It couldn't have gone any better! Such a relief.

Legoandloldolls · 24/02/2020 09:41

My sister who commutes daily to London is worried. My close friend is concerned to but I'm not sure if either are stocking up. They dont have young kids so I presume less need too anyway. My mum has 3 ( yes 3 !) Freezers full of food.

I'm off to Costco in a bit. I will buy some extra loo rolls and put them under the bunk bed.

I'm worried about my sons gcses again. We booked a holiday to Balarics and paid the deposit. Its 5.5k so I need to find watertight travel insurance before I start paying the balance. Not been a family holiday abroad for three years. Typical.

I'm starting to feel a bit more twitchy about it. Just from the Italy lockdown on short notice.

I might pack a grab bag for me and dh then start a list for each of the kids. Get a emergency list together for passwords, accounts ( for me and dh) and another list for family if we both get I'll.

On another note, if me and dh was both ill and couldn't look after the little ones, I honestly dont think anyone would take my kids. We talked about it a bit over the weekend and think they would be better off in socail care. My mum is 74cand lives 80 miles away. My mil and bill live abroad in Asia, my Fil is lives 300 miles away and step mil has never had kids ( they drink, smoke and never see the kids) sis is good but doesn't have kids and her husband wouldn't cope ( he never sees the kids). This was also a concern when I had my last child and there was talk of a c section. As my ds is disabled we have a disability SW and there was plans for social care if I need the section.

So the list of what clothes are where etc might make me feel better. If push came to shove a cousin could have the kids, but again they are 80 miles away with 3 young kids too. Makes you realise how much support normal families have that we dont which is very sad.

Anyway I would need to pretty ill to need this as eldest is 16 and can cook. But I might recover to the mother of all messes. Hes a messy cook! Myst buy more washing up gloves 😆

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FelicityFebruary · 24/02/2020 09:45

Good morning to all.

@VenetoResident, Thank you for your list there, it has given me somethinb to think about.

Wishing You all the very best.

NebbiaZanzare glad you are prepped. It is a shock when these things crop up close to home.

Sterristripoff as a nurse educator he is looking at the medical side and possible worst case scenarios.

But my focus is buying some bits and tidying my cupboards and training the kids to wash their hands, because that's all I can control! My dP thinks it's a bit silly to " prep" but that's his nature and so I've told him if push comes to shove I'm letting him starve. He did laugh at that point and peace was restored!

One sure fact I bear in mind is that no one here can know what's truly happening in Iran.

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 09:50

I am too far from my parents and I have not told anyone at all about our stash. My DH would be handing it all out but I've put the work and think I would be selfish. I hate to admit that..

I do care for an elderly couple. They do not stash anything. I have a small bag for them with soups and paracetamol. Not much help but better than none.

No one here even mentions it outside our home.

Got asda shop soon. I'm sure driver does not bat an eyelid to be honest.

We would struggle with lack of fresh milk but the toddler wouldn't have a choice.

FelicityFebruary · 24/02/2020 09:52

Ofwarren that sounds brilliant.

LegoandIol, I am envious of people with large / multiple freezers at this point. We moved into our house and had a new kitchen fitted, replacing a large fridge / freezer with a more compact version..oops! So not much freezer space at all but we don't eat a lot of frozen food so it made sense.

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 09:52

My freezer is stocked but I have focused on tinned and dried more tbh not relying on the freezer.

echobench · 24/02/2020 09:55

@HasaDigaEebowai why bar soap? I heard years and years ago that bar soap harboured germs so we only use liquid soap.

I can't really get my head round what's going on in Italy. 50,000 people in lockdown. Unprecedented in my lifetime (late 40s).

Re Dr John Campbell -- I haven't watched any of his stuff but certain things I've read on here are a little concerning. The fact that he uses "Dr" and speaks on medical matters is a little misleading, as most people would assume he's a medical doctor.

FelicityFebruary · 24/02/2020 10:00

Although I've not listened to his latest, I find if you listen to him in full it is balanced. When people pick out sound bites it can be misleading, as ever.

RhodaCamel · 24/02/2020 10:01

echobench he is a NHS A&E nurse.

FelicityFebruary · 24/02/2020 10:01

I rinse bar soap as I'm rinsing my hands, wasteful but clean I hope!

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 10:04

Also wondering about sons gcses this year. Typical.

HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 10:07

echobench I think it's to do with the bottle and the pump. Studies have shown that germs do not transfer from bar soap back to hands.

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 10:09

I prefer bar soap and cheaper!

HasaDigaEebowai · 24/02/2020 10:11

Bar soap is also a bazillion times better for the environment but that's another thread.

Skyejuly · 24/02/2020 10:29

Loads of my asda order has been subbed Shock

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