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Why are woman made to feel guilty for desiring a particular gender?

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Milliegirl25 · 27/11/2024 03:34

My whole life I have wished for a daughter. I know it sounds crazy but since I was a little girl I've felt like I've known her. I've dreamt about her, wrote stories about her, spent years coming up with a beautiful, meaningful name, and once I decided on the name I would write it out over and over, I would paint it, draw it, type it. Just because I was so proud of it and couldn't wait until the day I could proudly give it to my future daughter. I am currently pregnant. Like a lot of woman I have been through a lot to get to this point. I suffer with a severe anxiety disorder that has effected me my whole life, not only mentally but it also causes a host of unexplained physical symptoms. Two years ago I had a miscarriage, following that I got pregnant again. I suffered with such severe anxiety during those first few weeks I couldn't function. Tried to access support but felt under pressure due to the limited amount of time I had to make a decision. In the end my partner and I decided to terminate. I have lived with guilt as a result of my decision everyday since and have never been able to forgive myself. I worked incredibly hard and put in a lot of time, effort and money to ensure my next pregnancy wouldn't be the same. I have been seeing a perinatal psychiatrist for over two years now to support my mental health for the next pregnancy, I take medication, I exercised daily, changed my diet, got all the prenatal testing done, read books, listened to podcasts and did everything in my power to support myself to ensure this pregnancy would be successful. We even started the IVF process as it took us over a year to concieve, but luckily just as we started, we concieved naturally. Anyway despite all the work and preparation I put into this pregnancy, one thing I didn't completely consider is the possibility of not having a daughter. I know it's 50/50 but my entire life I have felt the presence of my "daughter" and just felt in my heart that for once in my life things might actually fall into place, and I might finally get my lifelong dream.
Well that wasn't the case. Two days ago I got my NIPT results back and it said male. The way I have been feeling since this news has completely taken me off guard. I mean this pregnancy has not been easy mentally so far. I'm 12 weeks and have needed a lot of mental health support for my anxiety, and have been working incredibly hard to make it through each day. But when I got the news that I wouldn't be having a daughter the pain has been completely unbearable. I will not be able to have another chance, due to my anxiety disorder. So this means I will never have the daughter that I dreamed of my whole life. I thought to myself as long as the baby if healthy, I would cope, but am shocked at how I have reacted. I know I come across as ungrateful and that's what hurts. Woman sacrifice so much physically and mentally to have a child. But when they express their desires (in this case for a particular gender), they are made to feel selfish, ungrateful or that they shouldn't be a parent if they aren't happy with the gender they are given. Anything else in life (a home, something we save up for, a career etc) we work hard and as a result we desire a particular outcome and if we don't get it, it can be upsetting. This is similar but woman aren't supported if they are upset over not having their dream of a daughter/son fulfilled. There's so much judgement online in this situation.
I just feel so disconnected from this pregnancy now. I have had to work hard for a lot of things in my life (as we all do) but this pregnancy has been something I have worked for 24/7 for over two years, and at the end of it, I will never get my longed for daughter.
I cannot stop crying. I'm grieving for someone that never existed, and feeling like an absolute awful person for not just letting my dream go and being grateful for what I have.
Since I found out every minute has been unbearable. I don't know where to go from here. The thought of living my whole life without filling that empty space in my heart that's been waiting for a daughter since I was a little girl, is absolutely unbearable.

If you have read this far, thankyou. Please no negative judgement. I already feel like an awful person, I don't need anyone else to tell me. Thanks, for reading.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 27/11/2024 03:47

The thought of living my whole life without filling that empty space in my heart that's been waiting for a daughter since I was a little girl, is absolutely unbearable.

I am sorry you are feeling this way. But no child should ever be under the kind of awful pressure you're describing. If you had a girl, I think you would have been just as disappointed as you are now, but when she got older. Because children are there so you can fill them up, never the other way around. You give to children, you don't take from them. And your mental image of your child is fictional, completely made up. It's a fantasy, and no child would live up to that.

Keep as healthy as you can, have your boy. And I hope for you and him that he teaches you that sex is just one tiny facet of the whole of a child. Having managed expectations is a good thing. Your boy may be a great kid, and isn't fighting an imaginary version of himself in your head like a girl would be.

Isittimeformynapyet · 27/11/2024 03:49

What a brave post OP.

I'm sorry, but I think you might not be happy with the responses you get.

It's sad to hear how you are feeling, but my gut reaction is, "I worry for this child as the mother does not sound emotionally or mentally well enough to parent healthily."

olympicsrock · 27/11/2024 03:51

I’m sorry you are feeling so sad. The intensity of your desire for a daughter rather than a baby is just ‘unusual’ . I liked the idea of a daughter as I was so close to my mother and grandmother however I am the mother to 2 boys . My 9 year old is cuddled up to me writing this. You may be surprised by how WONDERFUL it is to have a son . My boys are so incredibly loving .

yipyipyop · 27/11/2024 03:52

You've built something up in your head that never existed. Even if you had a daughter it wouldn't live up to this imaginary person in your head. Talk about pressure on any poor child. All children are individual, not an extension of yourself or to fulfill a fantasy.

BecuaseIWantItThatWay · 27/11/2024 04:01

Why are woman made to feel guilty for desiring a particular gender?

Because the value of a child is innate, and not determined by their sex. All children are worthy of love. A boy is no less deserving than a girl.

You are clearly suffering OP, but this child could be everything you have dreamed of and more if you can stop projecting your expectations on what the perfect child is. Wishing you well.

Remaker · 27/11/2024 04:03

You’re not a bad person. But you are a person who is struggling with your mental health. Do you have a doctor or midwife looking after you during your pregnancy? Please reach out to them and let them know how you are feeling.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 27/11/2024 04:04

I feel you op.
I have 3 wonderful sons, they are the light of my life but prior to that I always imagined I would have a daughter. Probably because I am the only child and I had a close relationship with my mum, my dad was there but we were never that close.
The way I see it now is maybe I will have a grand daughter one day, I know it's not the same but sometimes the grandchild grandparent bond can be special too.
The most important thing you have to think of is that your baby is healthy.
Are there any particular reasons you wanted a daughter so much? Apart from pretty dresses?

LightDrizzle · 27/11/2024 04:04

@Milliegirl25 - I’m sorry you have been through such a lot and that you are suffering such extreme anxiety but has your perinatal psychiatrist not worked through the risks and fallacy of awaiting the perfect son/ daughter? If your test had come back as female. It is still highly unlikely your daughter would be as you have dreamed all these years and I’d worry about the pressure on her and you to fulfil those dreams. Girls, like boys all come out different and might have had a digger obsessed fidget-bum. Your son, like any daughter you might have had, will be a whole unique person and you, for the first years, will be the centre of his universe. It’s a wonderful journey you have started.

The judgement comes from two directions I think. One is that many women who wish to have children don’t, for a number of reasons, and so women complaining about the “wrong” sex are considered not to realise their relative privilege. Similarly babies and children can be born with disabilities and illnesses that take a toll on their wellbeing and on the family so again, distress about the sex of a healthy baby is seen as superficial. Secondly, some people’s sex preference seems very grounded in gender stereotyping and/or narcissistic projection of wanting a little me; for example men wanting a boy to play football with who’ll end up playing for Arsenal or women wanting a girl to dress up and do girly stuff with. I’m a straight woman and have no interest in spas; I prefer to shop alone and quickly. In the latter case it’s a worry because children often don’t conform to gender stereotypes or emerge identical to the same sex parent and if that causes friction, favouritism (of other siblings) or disappointment then it is a great shame. My mum was a great mum and had one of of each sex. Mum was very glamourous and would probably have preferred me to be more into that and to have gossiped with her about boys and my love life but I inherited my father’s reserve and I’m very academic and quite nerdy. Luckily she adapted and I never felt a disappointment. Her firstborn son who she decided would be a heart-breaker and marry a rich farmer’s daughter was gay, - not a problem but probably not what she and my dad dreamed of in 1964.

It’s surprising and poor that your perinatal psychiatrist didn’t discover or address your bizarre assumption that you’d have a girl. Frankly you’ve been let down there.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 27/11/2024 04:08

I pictured myself with a daughter and lots of things about a daughter would be great. But the two boys I have are amazing, and wouldn’t change them for anything.

given the intensity of your feelings for a girl maybe it’s better that you are having a boy as you can start again with the actual child and not the imaginary one you have been dreaming of

Edingril · 27/11/2024 04:22

None of this is fair on any child

Overthebow · 27/11/2024 04:27

Some preference is normal, but that’s all it usually is, a preference but happy with either. This level of infatuation with having a daughter is not normal and is quite worrying really, it’s not fair on your child or healthy for you. I hope you’re getting some support for your mental health.

showersandflowers · 27/11/2024 04:28

What is it about having a daughter that you dreamed about? I think for a lot of the baby and childhood period boys and girls are very similar in temperament and in the way you have to parent them. I have a daughter but most of my mum friends with kids have boys. The things we talk about in our parenting journey are the same. Even with things like potty training, in which there are physical differences, the process is the same. I was talking to a boy mum the other day and was very surprised that her boy sat on the potty (I have no experience with potty training boys!) as I sort of expected him to stand? Anyway...

My aunt had 3 boys desperately trying for a girl. She realises now that she would never have gotten on with a girl, they would likely have disagreed too much. She has girl grandchildren how, so life has a way of rewarding you sometimes.

I'm currently pregnant the second time and would love another girl, we're not really interested in having a boy. We find out on Saturday. But we have found for us that we have been mentally preparing ourselves for weeks for it being a boy. We've only picked out boys names, we're calling the baby "he" and "him". I've been looking at cute boys clothes. Trying to find the good in it all because it could very well be what happens. I encourage you to do the same, let go of your dream and start a new dream. It's okay to grieve this picture you built up in your head but what if you've been catfished by this idea your whole life? What if it's an idea you've had but in reality it'd be nothing like your dream? Even if you'd had a girl, that life may never have existed (my experience of having a girl has not been any different to my boy mums' experience so far, as I've said, except that my kid loves pink but that's not exactly something to hang my whole life's expectations on...).

My mum and my brother are best friends. The idea that having a girl gives you a "best friend for life" and a boy doesn't isn't true.

But can you pin point exactly what it is about having a girl that you'd hung your hopes on?

Mumontherunn · 27/11/2024 04:28

I spent my whole life assuming I would have a daughter, and then my son arrived. I promise you I have never once wished he was anyone other than him. He is perfect and I am so lucky to be his mum. You will love your child completely.

Be kind to yourself, talk to your counsellor about it and try and find peace with this. Once he’s here I’m sure it’ll all make sense to you.

Sofa1000 · 27/11/2024 04:44

Keep up with the therapy. You need some resilience to be a parent.
Sounds as though you have severe mental health issues so I hope your husband is a reliable person who can support you properly. He might need to take extra time off work maybe.
If people are ‘unkind’ it’s because it’s not just about you now. While you can be in your own head for years focussing on your mental health problems you can’t do that when someone else is relying on you. Your post is therefore quite alarming.
If your anxiety etc really occupies you 24/7 then you will have found something else to fret about if it wasn’t the sex of your child.
Wishing you well.

ChessorBuckaroo · 27/11/2024 04:45

showersandflowers · 27/11/2024 04:28

What is it about having a daughter that you dreamed about? I think for a lot of the baby and childhood period boys and girls are very similar in temperament and in the way you have to parent them. I have a daughter but most of my mum friends with kids have boys. The things we talk about in our parenting journey are the same. Even with things like potty training, in which there are physical differences, the process is the same. I was talking to a boy mum the other day and was very surprised that her boy sat on the potty (I have no experience with potty training boys!) as I sort of expected him to stand? Anyway...

My aunt had 3 boys desperately trying for a girl. She realises now that she would never have gotten on with a girl, they would likely have disagreed too much. She has girl grandchildren how, so life has a way of rewarding you sometimes.

I'm currently pregnant the second time and would love another girl, we're not really interested in having a boy. We find out on Saturday. But we have found for us that we have been mentally preparing ourselves for weeks for it being a boy. We've only picked out boys names, we're calling the baby "he" and "him". I've been looking at cute boys clothes. Trying to find the good in it all because it could very well be what happens. I encourage you to do the same, let go of your dream and start a new dream. It's okay to grieve this picture you built up in your head but what if you've been catfished by this idea your whole life? What if it's an idea you've had but in reality it'd be nothing like your dream? Even if you'd had a girl, that life may never have existed (my experience of having a girl has not been any different to my boy mums' experience so far, as I've said, except that my kid loves pink but that's not exactly something to hang my whole life's expectations on...).

My mum and my brother are best friends. The idea that having a girl gives you a "best friend for life" and a boy doesn't isn't true.

But can you pin point exactly what it is about having a girl that you'd hung your hopes on?

So much wrong in this post. "Not really interested in having a boy" one of the many things that stand out. I'd like to say I hope you don't have a boy for his sake but having a child of either sex is an issue with that outlook.

A child is meant to have unconditional love. Placing conditions makes you unfit to be a mother.

Always find it weird that females have sex with the male sex yet have no interest in producing males. A man hating lesbian who via artificial means wants girls I could understand having such a warped view, but a woman, married to a male, not wanting to have a male, makes even less sense.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 27/11/2024 04:57

showersandflowers · 27/11/2024 04:28

What is it about having a daughter that you dreamed about? I think for a lot of the baby and childhood period boys and girls are very similar in temperament and in the way you have to parent them. I have a daughter but most of my mum friends with kids have boys. The things we talk about in our parenting journey are the same. Even with things like potty training, in which there are physical differences, the process is the same. I was talking to a boy mum the other day and was very surprised that her boy sat on the potty (I have no experience with potty training boys!) as I sort of expected him to stand? Anyway...

My aunt had 3 boys desperately trying for a girl. She realises now that she would never have gotten on with a girl, they would likely have disagreed too much. She has girl grandchildren how, so life has a way of rewarding you sometimes.

I'm currently pregnant the second time and would love another girl, we're not really interested in having a boy. We find out on Saturday. But we have found for us that we have been mentally preparing ourselves for weeks for it being a boy. We've only picked out boys names, we're calling the baby "he" and "him". I've been looking at cute boys clothes. Trying to find the good in it all because it could very well be what happens. I encourage you to do the same, let go of your dream and start a new dream. It's okay to grieve this picture you built up in your head but what if you've been catfished by this idea your whole life? What if it's an idea you've had but in reality it'd be nothing like your dream? Even if you'd had a girl, that life may never have existed (my experience of having a girl has not been any different to my boy mums' experience so far, as I've said, except that my kid loves pink but that's not exactly something to hang my whole life's expectations on...).

My mum and my brother are best friends. The idea that having a girl gives you a "best friend for life" and a boy doesn't isn't true.

But can you pin point exactly what it is about having a girl that you'd hung your hopes on?

So much hypocrisy! And 'not interested in a boy' is horrible. Practice what your preach.

Eyresandgraces · 27/11/2024 04:58

@showersandflowers I'm currently pregnant the second time and would love another girl, we're not really interested in having a boy.

What a weird statement.
You’re talking about human life not your next car.

YouZirName · 27/11/2024 05:21

I'm sorry OP but this is absolutely unhinged, and something you should have nipped in the bud a long time ago.

If this is how you feel I don't think you should be having a child - a son is bound to grow up feeling second best compared to someone who doesn't even exist, and a daughter would grow up with no chance to ever be her own person.

Get therapy, desperately.

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Zanatdy · 27/11/2024 05:31

Its ok to have a preference. I did, after 2 boys I was desperate for a daughter and did finally have one. Women do get slated for having a preference, and its ok to feel some sadness at the loss of your dream. But your little boy will bring you a lot of happiness, mine certainly do.

IVFmumoftwo · 27/11/2024 05:35

It is okay to have a preference but not to this extreme . At the end of the day at least you are pregnant and hopefully having a healthy baby. I have one of each and I have a feeling me and my son might get on better when they are grown up.

IVFmumoftwo · 27/11/2024 05:38

showersandflowers · 27/11/2024 04:28

What is it about having a daughter that you dreamed about? I think for a lot of the baby and childhood period boys and girls are very similar in temperament and in the way you have to parent them. I have a daughter but most of my mum friends with kids have boys. The things we talk about in our parenting journey are the same. Even with things like potty training, in which there are physical differences, the process is the same. I was talking to a boy mum the other day and was very surprised that her boy sat on the potty (I have no experience with potty training boys!) as I sort of expected him to stand? Anyway...

My aunt had 3 boys desperately trying for a girl. She realises now that she would never have gotten on with a girl, they would likely have disagreed too much. She has girl grandchildren how, so life has a way of rewarding you sometimes.

I'm currently pregnant the second time and would love another girl, we're not really interested in having a boy. We find out on Saturday. But we have found for us that we have been mentally preparing ourselves for weeks for it being a boy. We've only picked out boys names, we're calling the baby "he" and "him". I've been looking at cute boys clothes. Trying to find the good in it all because it could very well be what happens. I encourage you to do the same, let go of your dream and start a new dream. It's okay to grieve this picture you built up in your head but what if you've been catfished by this idea your whole life? What if it's an idea you've had but in reality it'd be nothing like your dream? Even if you'd had a girl, that life may never have existed (my experience of having a girl has not been any different to my boy mums' experience so far, as I've said, except that my kid loves pink but that's not exactly something to hang my whole life's expectations on...).

My mum and my brother are best friends. The idea that having a girl gives you a "best friend for life" and a boy doesn't isn't true.

But can you pin point exactly what it is about having a girl that you'd hung your hopes on?

"Prepared for a boy?". What is so wrong with a boy that you need to talk about it like that?

IVFmumoftwo · 27/11/2024 05:41

I don't really get why you didn't do gender selection IVF abroad if your mental health is so dependent on it?

desperatedaysareover · 27/11/2024 05:41

It's very difficult when you have a strong sense of who you're going to meet. I can't explain why it happens but I know what you mean. Your feelings sound intense but they're recognisable. I am also surprised your therapist hasn't explored the possibility that you might have a son. Have you spoken about this with them now?

I expected to have a girl first time round, I felt sure I'd have a girl all my life, never really considered what it would be like to have a boy. I do come from a hyper-masculine background, it was all football and punching people and war stories and Westerns. Men were certainly my major influences growing up. To cap it all, my mum was a tomboy, with loads of brothers, is a super-practical woman (matter-of-fact, doesn't wear makeup or shave her legs or any of that) I also didn't have an easy childhood.

At 21 weeks I was told by an NHS consultant scanning for a different purpose that I was having a girl. I bought a little ladybird suit and girly bedding and had a name picked out and ...yup, you guesssd it.

When my son was born I felt shocked. Immediately afterwards it felt surreal, like he'd been swapped and wasn't really my baby. I didn't feel I 'knew' him. He was clearly lovely and I knew I was fortunate but I felt somehow disconnected from him. I had a bad birth and also suffer from anxiety, I don't know if it's all related but I ended up with PND.

I never articulated it to anyone but I always felt like there was something missing. Like, my parenthood didn't go 'deep' enough. I suspect we didn't bond as we should have done in the weeks after birth. I didn't ever say what I felt because I knew everyone would say 'but you have a healthy baby, get a grip.' I also felt like I wasn't doing a good job for years, and I do mean years.

The baby is now a giant 16 y.o. I miss him when I don't see him for a whole day and when there is nothing going on we can sit and talk for hours. He is super easy-going and calm to the point you'd think he was stoned lol. I recently drove him the length of the country and the journey flew past like it would it you were with an old friend. We must have spoken about every subject under the sun. He is into politics. art and film, and I'd say he is of a fairly sensitive nature, not your typical 'man's man' at all.

When he was about four years old he took to talking about God and Heaven (in the way an infant would, simple stuff, but you could see there was a lot going on inside his head. I do remember he was interested in where he 'came' from, almost like he'd been here before). It was strange because we're not religious. That wore off when he went to school and he was your typical wee boy, football, dinosaurs, he went through every phase.

On a recent holiday we spent two hours going round a cathedral and pondering about what it all represents. We went for coffee and spoke about what he wants to do when he's an adult. He's agnostic now but has remained a philosophical chap, fascinated by belief, social mores, and always wanting to know 'why.' Perhaps there is a connection between what happened when he was born and who he is now - I don't know. What I do know is most of who he is has little to do with what he js, if that makes sense.

I feel blessed to know him and lucky he's my son. Which is not to say he doesn't drive me mental eighty times a week with the wandering around looking at his phone, all the vagueness and disorganisation - and where are all our fucking teaspoons!

I then had a little girl. I was much more at ease parenting a little lass and found the whole thing felt somehow natural in a way it didn't first time round. Possibly I was also more relaxed because she was No. 2. She was a textbook baby girl just as you'd imagine, all curls and pushing a little pram about, albeit an incorrigible piss-ripper from about six months old. She was apparently an exceptionally strong newborn, had full neck control from birth and daring and fearless as soon as she could move alone. My hard-to-impress brother used to sit and marvel because she was so 'herself' for someone so small. She could also always be relied upon to locate the cellotape from about the age of two and I doubt my son could find his arse with his hand most days.

My little baby girl is now a 5ft 3 pocket rocket, sport-mad, six-pack, not at all girly girl, totally matter-of-fact, isn't interested in abstract chat. If you ask her a question that isn't wholly practical you can see she's being polite but she really wants to say WHO CARES. She's one of the people the school always asks to do things despite not being overly into academia. They know she'll get stuff done, I suppose.

She also walks into rooms like she knows everyone in there, is super-secure, would rather run a lap than read a book. As to conventional femininity, she makes faces at every item of clothing I suggest, thinks makeup is madness and apart from the fact we love each other and still hold hands in public I have to admit we have basically bugger all in common hahaha.

Some of this will likely be to do with parenting, but I think most of it is that simply, they are who they are.

I hope you take this novella as meant to comfort you rather than contradict or belittle your feelings. I think it's the case that what you have dreamt of, what you hope will happen, will have very little effect on who they are as people, regardless of their sex. Or at least, it should.

A PP said you live for them, not them for you. I wonder if perhaps that sense that you were the perfect you was lacking in your own childhood?

It would be a shame for both of you to let past feelings and imagination overwhelm your actual experience of something so wonderful. I do know it's easier to write it than feel it, I can speak from experience there. I do wish I had spoken to someone at the time.

I hope you can come to terms with with what you feel you've lost. It'll be wonderful, honestly, if you just try and live in the moment and wait and see who comes - whoever they are it'll be amazing.

magicstar2020 · 27/11/2024 05:44

YouZirName · 27/11/2024 05:21

I'm sorry OP but this is absolutely unhinged, and something you should have nipped in the bud a long time ago.

If this is how you feel I don't think you should be having a child - a son is bound to grow up feeling second best compared to someone who doesn't even exist, and a daughter would grow up with no chance to ever be her own person.

Get therapy, desperately.

Oh come on this is so unkind. She already knows she needs therapy (she's been having it for years) and to tell her she shouldn't be having a child when she's already struggled so much that she's ended a pregnancy is honestly borderline irresponsible. She's obviously struggling and suffering with her mental health what's your excuse for being so unreasonable and unkind?