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Cousins DH poked holes in condom - now pregnant again after 4 months?! Serious advice needed...

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topflower123 · 20/05/2021 00:53

My cousin and I are extremely close - only 1 year apart in age. To date, I have always had a good relationship with her DH and from what I had seen he is a wonderful husband/father.

She gave birth to my niece almost 4 months ago. Since then we have kept in touch with almost daily calls but I am yet to meet my niece in person. Last week my cousin told me (but no one else in the family yet) that she is pregnant again. She seemed really shocked and I must admit I was too but at the time I just listened and didn't probe too much.

This evening she has called me pretty much in tears saying that her DH admitted poking holes in their condoms as he wanted another child soon and didn't want a gap between their children. I am so angry at what he has done that I can't even think properly!! Not only is this incredibly deceptive but also really dangerous as she is only 4 months postpartum. I just can;t believe what she has told me but have no idea what to advise as I am so shocked.

What to do/advise?

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topflower123 · 23/05/2021 12:29

@MintMatchmaker

Hopefully she’ll report him to the Police for rape.

Would her family support, rather than disown her if she took this course of action OP?

I think she should too - I don't think they would support her unfortunately
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topflower123 · 23/05/2021 12:33

@Lweji

If family support is an issue, that's where the younger members, such as the OP, are important. Are you prepared to support her against the family culture, OP? I asked it yesterday, but you have been absent from the thread.

As long as you all pander to your cultural norms, domestic abuse will continue. Sad

Clearly I am supporting her and will continue to do so.

Haven't been on this thread because I've been more busy trying to help/support where I can - met up with my cousin yesterday and it's much more complicated than I thought.

Of course I won't 'pander to cultural norms' - never have and won't, but I wouldn't be so judgemental about how easy it is to do in reality!

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IND1A · 23/05/2021 12:37

@PyongyangKipperbang

It is a crime but can anyone here honestly say that the first they would do is call the police? He is the father of her new baby, I am not sure I could do it.

What I would be seriously considering though is termination followed by divorce.

He raped the mother of his new baby! Why is it ok to rape but not ok to call the police ?

And yes I agree I’d be terminating and divorcing.

topflower123 · 23/05/2021 12:38

Update: Thank you for all the posters who gave helpful advice, appreciate it and have read through all the posts.

Met up with cousin yesterday - spoke through everything and she is planning to leave him. I collected the numbers for helplines so we can ring on Monday - I also suggested it would be worth talking to the GP as she is struggling mentally and she said she will think about it.

Today I'm just going to help her out by doing the food shop etc so she has a bit more time to think/rest.

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IND1A · 23/05/2021 12:41

@topflower123

You sound like a lovely cousin and I’m glad she has some family support.

RandomMess · 23/05/2021 12:48

So glad she has you there for her.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2021 13:24

Good luck to her and you. She is doing the right thing but will need a lot of support.💐

MyOtherProfile · 23/05/2021 13:25

Well done for being such a support to her.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/05/2021 13:29

I have not read the full thread from other posters to see their suggestions for help, but wanted to add there must be specialist support for women from your cousin’s culture, as well as other sources of help fro women.

MintMatchmaker · 23/05/2021 14:56

I’m pleased that she has you OP and is preparing to leave him.

What’s beyond sad is that she loses her family as a result of being a victim of rape. I just don’t understand how you could treat a child this way.

Lockdownbear · 23/05/2021 15:31

Op that is a good idea to find support within your own culture.

But she definitely needs to speak with her GP and a councillor. I wish her luck. I hope her parents are still supporting her.

topflower123 · 23/05/2021 17:33

Thanks again :)

Yes, with my cousins permission I have contacted two charities by email stating the situation - Karma Nirvana and Southall Black Sisters. Does anyone on here have experience with these helplines?

My cousin is not really in a state to talk herself (understandably she can't stop crying once its mentioned) so I might need to talk for her, which she is happy for me to do.

Also realised today that two of the GPs at her local practice are good family friends - so I think it might be a good idea for her to change practice (lots in the area).

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GabsAlot · 23/05/2021 18:53

youre a good person op i hope she can get through this

Doomsdayisstillcoming · 23/05/2021 19:24

Your cousin is married to a rapist.

Doomsdayisstillcoming · 23/05/2021 19:28

@contrary13

"Except, perhaps having to contribute towards the baby's financial keeping, the consequences for a man are almost none."

I know a young man whose (now ex) girlfriend poked holes in the condoms (that came out in a row, apparently) and told him she was taking her contraceptive pills, when she wasn't. She ended up pregnant, and they now have a 2 year old.

The young man, however, ended up hospitalised after having a heart attack brought on, the doctors say, by the stress of having fathered a child with a young woman whom he didn't want to be with. They'd split before the heart attack. He was then diagnosed with another heart condition - which again, is thought to have been brought on/caused by this situation. He spent almost a month in the hospital just after his child was born, because of this.

He also has PTSD and flashbacks to the delivery of his child. He didn't want to be there, having left the child's mother as soon as she told him how she'd fallen pregnant when, as far as he was concerned, protection was being used to prevent this. Obviously, she refused to terminate the pregnancy - as was her right (her body = her choice) - but he had no say in whether or not he became a father. The delivery was attended by the young woman's hostile mother, and the whole situation (it was a long labour) left him feeling abused and traumatised.

Yes, he pays for the child. More so, actually, than he's been told to by the CMS and his family. I admire/respect him for this fact. Having been a single mother, myself, and raised two children whose "fathers" didn't pay maintenance for them (and stole from the oldest, to boot), I know how hard it is. But the ex-girlfriend got precisely what she wanted (a baby) and the young man has been left with a lifelong heart condition as a result. It's only in the last year or so that he's been allowed to see the child - and that's on the condition that his new girlfriend (definitely not me, before anyone thinks so... I'm far too old for that sort of "deal", thanks!) vacates her own home/space during the child's visits. The ex-girlfriend, essentially, dictates and controls what happens in another woman's home/life. Why? "Because she can", I've been told.

The young man has said that he regrets ever having had anything to do with the ex-girlfriend (she was abusive in other ways, too, but he was too frightened to say anything because "blokes don't get abused" is very much the mindset still), doesn't love his child because of how they were conceived, resents having to disrupt his life - for the rest of it - because of them.

So for some men (because I doubt very much this young man is the only one who has endured what he has, because their girlfriends knew they were about to have their relationship ended... and thought a baby would fix everything/bind them together so that the boyfriend couldn't leave them...) there are lifelong consequences which aren't necessarily only a child(ren).

As for your cousin's husband, @topflower123, I agree with other posters. He is trying to destroy her career/earning potential in an effort to be "top dog". If she takes a second maternity leave of a year (if you're in the UK), within a few weeks/months of returning to her job... she's likely to be fired, I'm afraid. Thus making her more vulnerable and dependent upon the husband. All you can do, though, is be a friendly shoulder for her. Advise her of her options - because she does have them! - and support her choices/decisions. If only you know about the pregnancy, and she wants to terminate (which, again her body = her choice), then no one else need ever know about it. Her husband has raped her. And cultural reasons or not, her parents would have to be pretty awful in and of themselves, if they disowned/lost their daughter and grandchild(ren) because of what that abusive bastard has done to her.

Flowers

Jeez. Pretty crazy.

As a man, not sure my wife has ever unpacked a condom? Maybe I guess. But if it was on the side, out of the packet ready to go (ie been tampered with), it would be odd. Really odd.

MintMatchmaker · 23/05/2021 22:20

The lady that set up Karma Nirvana wrote a book called Shame. It was a shocking but compelling read.

Whilst I don’t have any personal experience of them, from what I’ve read I would think they are very well placed to help your cousin.

Lockdownbear · 23/05/2021 22:38

Op I think she might be as well to speak with one of the Rape organisations too.

Is she sure about going ahead with the pregnancy?
It's going to be really hard going to have too babies so close together on her own, pay nursery fees and keep her career. Even as they get older going to college/ uni at the same time.

It's rare for me to suggest abortion but I think it could be seriously worth considering.

Tee20x · 23/05/2021 22:39

Police. This amounts to sexual assault and people have been convicted of rape for doing such things.

IND1A · 24/05/2021 09:31

Yes changing GPS is a good idea. You can do this anytime for any reason. AFAIK she just has to go to the new Gp and ask to register and her notes will be transferred automatically. I think you can phone up first and ask if their list is open.

If she is asked for a reason I’d say something neutral like she is moving in with a relative so wants a practice that is nearer. Or one with a female GP etc.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 24/05/2021 16:55

You sound so kind OP, she's lucky to have you as a support. Well done for helping her so much, I know it probably isn't easy for you either with the expectations in your family's culture. You're doing a really great thing helping her Thanks

ValleysGirl72 · 27/05/2021 12:03

@topflower123

Your cousin is so fortunate to have her supporting her and this most difficult and horrendous time.

I hope things are slowly being sorted for her sake, as well as for the baby.

Please keep us updated when you can.

Big hugs for you both Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers

topflower123 · 28/05/2021 00:34

Thanks all for the messages.

As an update, I have spoken with my cousin and given her a list of things to do - there are quite a few things that she needs to do herself and I can't on her behalf (e.g: ring the GP, sort the finances etc). Hopefully the bank holiday will give a bit of organising time.

I have also found myself getting quite stressed so will be trying to get some support for myself too. I know it may sound selfish but its taking quite an emotional toll on me and bringing up some bad memories too. If I'm not feeling my best, I won't be able to help as best as I can is the way I'm thinking about it. I will be starting a new (and probably quite intense) job/training post in August so am moving away from family. Because of all of this, I want my cousin to have as much professional help in place as possible.

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topflower123 · 28/05/2021 00:35

Probably the best way to put it is I'm just feeling overwhelmed (not just with this situation, but other parts of my life too!)

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MyOtherProfile · 28/05/2021 05:41

I'm not surprised you feel overwhelmed. I'm glad you're getting some support for yourself too.

GalaxyGirl24 · 28/05/2021 08:50

This is so upsetting. I would be devastated if DH did this to me, let alone 4 months PP when your body is still returning to normal.

It's a crime, and he has used her body for his benefit without her consent. Essentially he has treat her as a vessel only and taken away her choice in the matters. Honestly, this story sends shivers up my back for the level of manipulation and disrespect.