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Cousins DH poked holes in condom - now pregnant again after 4 months?! Serious advice needed...

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topflower123 · 20/05/2021 00:53

My cousin and I are extremely close - only 1 year apart in age. To date, I have always had a good relationship with her DH and from what I had seen he is a wonderful husband/father.

She gave birth to my niece almost 4 months ago. Since then we have kept in touch with almost daily calls but I am yet to meet my niece in person. Last week my cousin told me (but no one else in the family yet) that she is pregnant again. She seemed really shocked and I must admit I was too but at the time I just listened and didn't probe too much.

This evening she has called me pretty much in tears saying that her DH admitted poking holes in their condoms as he wanted another child soon and didn't want a gap between their children. I am so angry at what he has done that I can't even think properly!! Not only is this incredibly deceptive but also really dangerous as she is only 4 months postpartum. I just can;t believe what she has told me but have no idea what to advise as I am so shocked.

What to do/advise?

OP posts:
DreamingNow · 21/05/2021 08:40

Culturally, we come from a background where divorce/separation is seen as shameful - I have another cousin who divorced an abusive ex and was disowned by the whole family sad

That makes it 100x worse. It’s not ‘just’ that he raped her or forced her to be pregnant. He also did that knowing full well that she has little escape route. That standing up to him and asking for a divorce means not just loosing her relationship but also loosing her family too.
This is abusive behaviour, not ‘just’ rape iyswim.

I wouod want her to be very careful and look at his answers/behaviours because I suspect she will see the control and abuse ramping up even more :(

Lweji · 21/05/2021 08:56

@drpet49

* To me that's a type of rape. He's decided for his poor wife when she'll have a baby - she gets no say in the matter. He simply doesn't care - his needs come first.*

*The same when a woman deliberately forgets to take her pill to trick her husband into getting pregnant?

Except that in those cases, the man doesn't get pregnant and doesn't get all the health consequences or burden associated. Except, perhaps having to contribute towards the baby's financial keeping, the consequences for a man are almost none.
LaBellina · 21/05/2021 08:59

Culturally, we come from a background where divorce/separation is seen as shameful - I have another cousin who divorced an abusive ex and was disowned by the whole family sad

That makes it even worse behavior and even more disgusting. This is beyond coercive.

Lweji · 21/05/2021 09:00

If her parents don't support her, she should consider whether to want to consider them as her parents, rather than fear they'll disown her. I'd disown them.
Your role here is to ensure her that she has your support at the very least.
Will you go against your family on this if she is disowned by the family?

Boomclaps · 21/05/2021 09:03

@fallfallfall

Physically she’ll be fine. Many women have tiny age gaps. Emotionally that’s different.
You don’t know this for certain. I’m still under the gynae consultants for 8 weekly reviews and have told it would be extremely dangerous to have another pregnancy before the end of 2022 and my DD is nearly 1.
contrary13 · 21/05/2021 10:34

"Except, perhaps having to contribute towards the baby's financial keeping, the consequences for a man are almost none."

I know a young man whose (now ex) girlfriend poked holes in the condoms (that came out in a row, apparently) and told him she was taking her contraceptive pills, when she wasn't. She ended up pregnant, and they now have a 2 year old.

The young man, however, ended up hospitalised after having a heart attack brought on, the doctors say, by the stress of having fathered a child with a young woman whom he didn't want to be with. They'd split before the heart attack. He was then diagnosed with another heart condition - which again, is thought to have been brought on/caused by this situation. He spent almost a month in the hospital just after his child was born, because of this.

He also has PTSD and flashbacks to the delivery of his child. He didn't want to be there, having left the child's mother as soon as she told him how she'd fallen pregnant when, as far as he was concerned, protection was being used to prevent this. Obviously, she refused to terminate the pregnancy - as was her right (her body = her choice) - but he had no say in whether or not he became a father. The delivery was attended by the young woman's hostile mother, and the whole situation (it was a long labour) left him feeling abused and traumatised.

Yes, he pays for the child. More so, actually, than he's been told to by the CMS and his family. I admire/respect him for this fact. Having been a single mother, myself, and raised two children whose "fathers" didn't pay maintenance for them (and stole from the oldest, to boot), I know how hard it is. But the ex-girlfriend got precisely what she wanted (a baby) and the young man has been left with a lifelong heart condition as a result. It's only in the last year or so that he's been allowed to see the child - and that's on the condition that his new girlfriend (definitely not me, before anyone thinks so... I'm far too old for that sort of "deal", thanks!) vacates her own home/space during the child's visits. The ex-girlfriend, essentially, dictates and controls what happens in another woman's home/life. Why? "Because she can", I've been told.

The young man has said that he regrets ever having had anything to do with the ex-girlfriend (she was abusive in other ways, too, but he was too frightened to say anything because "blokes don't get abused" is very much the mindset still), doesn't love his child because of how they were conceived, resents having to disrupt his life - for the rest of it - because of them.

So for some men (because I doubt very much this young man is the only one who has endured what he has, because their girlfriends knew they were about to have their relationship ended... and thought a baby would fix everything/bind them together so that the boyfriend couldn't leave them...) there are lifelong consequences which aren't necessarily only a child(ren).

As for your cousin's husband, @topflower123, I agree with other posters. He is trying to destroy her career/earning potential in an effort to be "top dog". If she takes a second maternity leave of a year (if you're in the UK), within a few weeks/months of returning to her job... she's likely to be fired, I'm afraid. Thus making her more vulnerable and dependent upon the husband. All you can do, though, is be a friendly shoulder for her. Advise her of her options - because she does have them! - and support her choices/decisions. If only you know about the pregnancy, and she wants to terminate (which, again her body = her choice), then no one else need ever know about it. Her husband has raped her. And cultural reasons or not, her parents would have to be pretty awful in and of themselves, if they disowned/lost their daughter and grandchild(ren) because of what that abusive bastard has done to her.

Flowers
Lweji · 21/05/2021 10:48

contrary13

Not imagine that poor man getting pregnant and having to carry a child for 9 months, or having to choose to abort, or to give up the child he carried at birth, or care and raise the child until adulthood.

Are you saying the consequences are the same?

He could have walked out. Easily.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/05/2021 10:48

“contrary13
The young man, however, ended up hospitalised after having a heart attack brought on, the doctors say, by the stress of having fathered a child with a young woman whom he didn't want to be with. “

.............. Except to have sex with.

She shouldn’t have done what she did but he

Lweji · 21/05/2021 10:48

Now, not "not"!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/05/2021 10:56

The young man, however, ended up hospitalised after having a heart attack brought on, the doctors say, by the stress of having fathered a child with a young woman whom he didn't want to be with.

Sorry but I highly doubt the doctors said this. They may have said stress was a contributing factor but wouldn't have blamed it on his ex girlfriend!

Branleuse · 21/05/2021 11:04

@drpet49

* To me that's a type of rape. He's decided for his poor wife when she'll have a baby - she gets no say in the matter. He simply doesn't care - his needs come first.*

*The same when a woman deliberately forgets to take her pill to trick her husband into getting pregnant?

men dont tend to get pregnant, nor do they have to give birth. In fact, they can and often do, fuck off, and not have anything to do with children they dont want, so no, not the same at all. Ffs.

Jeez ive already had the talk with my 14 year old son that if a girl gets pregnant by him, then what she does with it, is no longer something he has a choice in, so always wear a condom because thats the only control hes got over it and you dont want to accidentally get a girl pregnant that is not someone you want to stay with long term

Figgygal · 21/05/2021 11:07

His arse would not touch the floor on his way out the door if he’d done that to me
What a piece of shit

Miasicarisatia · 21/05/2021 11:52

Culturally, we come from a background where divorce/separation is seen as shameful - I have another cousin who divorced an abusive ex and was disowned by the whole family sad I'm not sure, but I think the same would happen if my cousin left him
And that's why he did it and that's why he was so brazen that he even admitted it, he knew he could get away with it because he had 'back up', he knew that his family would help him to dominate and control his wife, to treat her like a mere piece of equipment for making babies.
What disgusting people they all are:(

NewlyGranny · 21/05/2021 12:06

Eyeroll at the young male victim being told by doctors that his ex gave him a heart attack. 🙄

Some maths for those talking about a four month gap between pregnancies: if OP's cousin already knows she is pregnant and her baby is 4 months old, that's a maximum gap of 3 months between pregnancies; probably less. The new baby could be born at term less than a year after its sibling. I had a 15 minute gap between my first two babies and I've always thought that was probably easier than 15 months!

And I'll say again, every unplanned conception is 100% the result of an irresponsible male ejaculation.

Imagine the scenario:

Her: I'm on the pill, you don't need protection.
Him: I don't want to risk it, thanks.
Her: It's my safe time, we're OK.
Him: I'll use a condom just to be sure.
Her: Here, have this one that I prepared earlier have handy.
Him: I prefer to use this fresh one I brought with me.

If a man takes a risk, he does it knowingly. If his long-term partner is the forgetful or deceitful or broody sort, he should know her weaknesses; they're hard to hide. If he barely knows her, he's irresponsible to take her word on contraception.

Zero sympathy for men who claim they were conned into fatherhood. 🤷🏼‍♀️

SunshineCake · 21/05/2021 12:22

@MrsTerryPratchett

So a woman who tells her husband she’s using birth control but knowingly isn’t , because she wants a baby ( not that ever happened , ever ) is guilty of a crime too ?. Or is this law only applicable to men.

It's almost like pregnancy and childbirth are different for men and women. And the law might acknowledge that. Amazing as it sounds.

Oh don't worry. The man who was tricked into fathering me was able to fuck off and has had no consequences from this actions. Neither has the mother. Just the child who has had their life shat on.
bigbaggyeyes · 21/05/2021 12:35

Wow what an awful awful thing to happen.. horrible man, he's not taken his wife's thoughts, feelings or health into consideration. What a selfish thing to do...

I don't think I could ever get past this if my dh did this

Hoppinggreen · 21/05/2021 12:35

Nobody has ever had a heart attack brought on by becoming a father unwillingly. No doctor has ever told a patient that was the reason for their heart attack
Utter bollocks and irrelevant anyway as we are discussing a woman

GabsAlot · 21/05/2021 12:37

even worse with your update op so she'll be forced to stay because of her culture-your a good cousin

PurpleRainDancer · 21/05/2021 12:39

@fallfallfall

Physically she’ll be fine. Many women have tiny age gaps. Emotionally that’s different.
'Physically she'll be fine.'

Are you for real? @fallfallfall

This is not the fucking problem. The poor women has been deceived into a pregnancy.

PurpleRainDancer · 21/05/2021 12:41

@LaBellina

If this isn’t a crime, it should be. Forcing someone to get pregnant without their consent is horrible, a complete violation of body autonomy and it indicates a complete lack of morals and respect. Divorce and hopefully jail.
completely agree @LaBellina
NewlyGranny · 21/05/2021 12:51

It is a crime. Loads of people have confirmed this. It's essentially "stealthing" which is pretending to wear a condom or slipping one off at a crucial moment, which is probably what happened to OP's cousin, given the discussion around pricking condoms (that sounds ruder than I meant it to!) that PPs have shared.

People have gone to prison, as it is essentially sex without consent if the woman (note - not the man) would not have consented to unprotected sex.

NewlyGranny · 21/05/2021 12:52

Oh, and that means it's rape, of course.

MintMatchmaker · 21/05/2021 19:18

Hopefully she’ll report him to the Police for rape.

Would her family support, rather than disown her if she took this course of action OP?

Lweji · 22/05/2021 10:13

If family support is an issue, that's where the younger members, such as the OP, are important.
Are you prepared to support her against the family culture, OP?
I asked it yesterday, but you have been absent from the thread.

As long as you all pander to your cultural norms, domestic abuse will continue. Sad

MyMajesty · 22/05/2021 12:55

@Miasicarisatia

Culturally, we come from a background where divorce/separation is seen as shameful - I have another cousin who divorced an abusive ex and was disowned by the whole family sad I'm not sure, but I think the same would happen if my cousin left him And that's why he did it and that's why he was so brazen that he even admitted it, he knew he could get away with it because he had 'back up', he knew that his family would help him to dominate and control his wife, to treat her like a mere piece of equipment for making babies. What disgusting people they all are:(
This is such a terrible situation. I hope your cousin can get out of it. Even if she has to leave her family behind, surely that would be better than staying in this abusive trap.