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8 months and miserable, staying with PILs and in need of a rant

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mamansnet · 07/07/2020 11:20

I'm 33+5 and broke my ankle nearly 3 weeks ago. I'm in a wheelchair and am utterly miserable, exhausted and crying every day. Baby has been presenting as breech, meaning I've had a head stuck in my ribs most of this week, making the wheelchair even more uncomfortable, and I'm having to face up to the thought of my second ELCS just weeks after having emergency surgery on my foot.

We were struggling to cope at home, as I can't get up/downstairs or out of the house without help. We already have an active 3 year old, a new bathroom is being put in before the baby arrives (I slipped on the dust) and poor DH was having to do everything - taking care of DS, me, the building work, helping me up and downstairs, emptying my commode, as well as cooking, cleaning after the builders every day AND trying to hold down a full time job. The guy has been a hero but he's exhausted.

So I've come to stay with the PILs. We were due to visit for 2 weeks this weekend anyway (I was already hesitant about travelling so late in pregnancy) but given the situation, I came a week early by train with DS to give DH a rest. The PILs have got a downstairs bedroom with ensuite, so I'm much more independent here and in theory it's a great idea. I get help looking after DS, DH gets a break and I get to write my dissertation that was due in this morning.

However. It's been 4 days and I'm not sure I can take another 3 weeks of it. I have a love/hate relationship with MIL anyway, which MN has helped me with in the past, but I can't help but feel like she's not thrilled to have me here. When they stayed with us last month it was fine, but it feels strained now. She does have a lot on her plate as there is a lot of sickness in the family at the moment - her brother has leukaemia, for one - so I'm really trying to make everyone's life easier by "working" in my room and staying out of the way as much as possible, biting my tongue or just doing grey rock when we can't avoid being together. It's hard going.

She loves having DS to herself, so I'm letting her get on with it and not saying anything even when I think she's put too many layers on him in the heat, or buying the wrong size sandals, etc. It really goes against the grain, he's my son, but I can't face the arguments that will inevitably happen if I speak up.

Yesterday, just to make conversation, I said that I'd read online that chiropractors have a technique that might help turn breech babies, and did she know one locally? She jumped down my throat to say that they're all crooks, I must be insane, and that I risk getting the cord wrapped around baby's neck if I try to turn her just to avoid an ELCS. I did remind her that baby is SUPPOSED to turn at this point, and that 3 different midwives have said a VBAC is the better option for me given my already limited mobility...

At breakfast this morning I tried to instigate a conversation with my DS, who has had a little speech delay but is now catching up fast. She jumped in to answer for him in such a way that made me and my question sound ridiculous. I was only trying to get him to speak, FFS.

It's FIL's birthday this week (he's lovely) and I made a comment earlier that in normal times, DS and I would have made him a birthday cake as we did a lot of baking during lockdown, DS really enjoys it and it's a shame that I'm just not mobile enough to get around the kitchen. I got shot down immediately, being told that she doesn't have time to make a cake on top of all the cooking, cleaning, ironing and looking after my DS. As though I'd asked HER to make a cake.

I'm in no position to complain I know, they're very good having me here (although I'm sure it's just as much to help out DH, the only child that I STOLE from her) but the constant remarks and putdowns are getting to me so much more than usual. Possibly because I'm hormonal, tired and in pain with my foot. She's often like this, not quite this bad though, and I'll usually fight back, but I'm not in a position to speak my mind while they've been so kind taking me in.

I'm due to go home at 36+4 to get my plaster taken off, but I called the local maternity ward here just to make contact in case things start early. All good. MIL ordered me to ring another hospital, "which is far better" (not true, it's just nearer) and that place wants to see me while I'm here, which is fine, but I can't get an appointment until a couple of days before I'm due to go home. So there's not much point. I just want to cry.

DH is arriving here in a week, so I'm counting on you lovely lot to get me through the next 7 days with my sanity intact. End of rant!

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mamansnet · 16/07/2020 22:06

Bollocks, I just wrote an update on my phone and it said posted but has completely disappeared Angry

@notthemum I think you're the exact kind of influence I've needed this week - the badder the better! Love how well your autocorrect seems to know you Grin

So MIL has turned into the sweetest, most caring person I've ever known. We had lunch outside today and when I went to lie on the sunlounger for a bit to raise my foot, she ordered DH to go and help me, fetched the parasol unasked, then told DH to go and help me up again when my 8 month belly was making it difficult. She can't do enough for me, and it's aaaall with a big smile.

The cynic in me would wonder if this behaviour will continue after our friends leave tomorrow - I'll keep you posted!

The only thing today is that she insisted my bad foot isn't inflamed 'because I don't have a fever' and wouldn't listen, even though our A&E nurse friend had just told me that it WAS. I should have called over to A&E Nurse there and then for her to tell MIL straight, but I'm too nice and so relieved to be having Nice MIL for a change that I didn't want to kill it.

Plus I've just had the BEST 🖕 moment with FIL. For context, he hates anyone using their phone at the table, which I can understand except that's he a massive fucking hypocrite and does it all the time and when I'm in his house, I do respect his rules. Even though I'm the only one. However, I did have my phone on me tonight as I was using an app to count baby kicks during DD's most active time of 8-10pm. He pulled me up on using the phone, but grudgingly gave me 'permission' after I told him what I was doing.

This is after a lecture last week about how I have an app for everything and 'what's wrong with a piece of paper?' Convenience for one, and secondly why should anyone else give a shit about how I choose to organise my life?

Anyway, I finished counting kicks and was getting up from the table to go to bed. I put my phone in my pocket before manoeuvring into my wheelchair and right in front of the whole table, he told me off for 'putting the phone next to the baby's head'.

Now the thing is, he's done this a few times in recent months and since I know he annoyingly has a point, I have actively avoided doing it, or put the phone in flight mode first. But I wasn't going to let him try to embarrass me in front of everyone. So I answered, again in front of everyone:

"Yes, and if I listened to you, I'd still be lying at the foot of my stairs with a broken ankle and unable to ring the paramedics. My phone is actually on flight mode (ok, tiny white lie) so give it a bloody REST, will you?"

Don't think I've mentioned this before, but on the day of my accident at 31 weeks, I'd ignored the little voice in my head (FIL's) and decided to keep my phone in my pocket for that quick, fateful nip upstairs. When I slipped coming back down, I heard the bones crack and the tibia was clearly dislocated and sticking out at a weird angle. My house is set back about 20 metres off the road and nobody heard me screaming for help. If I hadn't had my mobile on me, I'd have been stuck there in agony for hours until DH came home, unable to reach up for the landline to call an ambulance or crawl down the alley to the road for help.

So, in a nutshell, FUCK YOU FIL, for trying to embarrass me in public and mind your own fucking business in future!* ** 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

For any latecomers to this thread, don't bother berating me for being rude about my FIL. He fucking deserves it. My earlier comment about him being lovely was before I woke up from a gaslit stupor.
@umberta* I'm getting there, eh?!

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mamansnet · 16/07/2020 22:09

@robinhobb but does your MIL actively bully and manipulate you at the same time as being helpful? Because that is what this thread is about.

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notthemum · 16/07/2020 22:21

Maman 😂😂😂😂 That's my girl. I'm very proud of you, despite your cheekiness about my messaging thing. 😂😉

RobinHobb · 16/07/2020 22:22

Yes. She can be manipulative. DH is her only and much wanted son and the sun shines out of his arse. She thinks I should wait on him hand and food. He's a great guy. Similar to your situation he's happy for me to quit a well paying job to do a another degree etc in a different field.
In fact she's very manipulative and she can drive me nuts. But I'm adding another view point here if you're open to it: we have no one - not a single soul within 3 hours of us who can help us with our kids, no spa weekends or coming to the rescue, no emergency contact on their nursery forms. If I get sick, then there is no one there (They are now too old). Maybe count your blessings that someone is there and you don't have to take your DS with you to the labour ward like I would have had to do!
Re helping your DS with shoes etc while irritating it's only a few weeks, he'll get back to normal once you're back.
Unsolicited medical advice while annoying is not the end of the world
Anyway just adding a perspective.
I wish I had had someone to take care of my kids when I was sick!!

RobinHobb · 16/07/2020 22:22

Yes. She can be manipulative. DH is her only and much wanted son and the sun shines out of his arse. She thinks I should wait on him hand and food. He's a great guy. Similar to your situation he's happy for me to quit a well paying job to do a another degree etc in a different field.
In fact she's very manipulative and she can drive me nuts. But I'm adding another view point here if you're open to it: we have no one - not a single soul within 3 hours of us who can help us with our kids, no spa weekends or coming to the rescue, no emergency contact on their nursery forms. If I get sick, then there is no one there (They are now too old). Maybe count your blessings that someone is there and you don't have to take your DS with you to the labour ward like I would have had to do!
Re helping your DS with shoes etc while irritating it's only a few weeks, he'll get back to normal once you're back.
Unsolicited medical advice while annoying is not the end of the world
Anyway just adding a perspective.
I wish I had had someone to take care of my kids when I was sick!!

notthemum · 16/07/2020 22:30

Double bollocks. I just did the exact same thing. I thought I sent it and poof it had disappeared Ffs.
Anyway I wanted to say. Well done you.
That's my girl. I am very proud of you. In spite of your cheekiness about my message thing. MN Mum 😂😢

notthemum · 16/07/2020 22:40

Ffs. Just seen the bastard thing went after all.
Never mind that's cos I'm extra impressed with you and not because stupid fingers are pressing the wrong keys. I'm sure they must be moving.
Ignore people being negative towards you and those who are not supportive. Most of us realised what this thread was about and that was so YOU could have a rant and get some support. 😉

mamansnet · 16/07/2020 23:14

@robinhobb We're in a similar position. My PILs live 300 miles away from us, while my own parents are 500 miles away in the UK, and have never once been to visit me in 12+ years because they refuse to get passports (whole other thread!). We have nobody we can ask for help locally and having just moved house, we've had to start all over again in terms of finding babysitters and are still figuring out our support network. If I were to suddenly fall ill, I'd be screwed too. I have no idea what we're going to do about DS when I go into labour, but I need to figure that out in the next 10 days.

True, we are able to do the spa weekend because we happen to be staying with my PILs, but the only reason we're going on it is BECAUSE of my PILs and the fact I need to get away from them!!

You're right in that I'm very lucky to have people I can count on in an emergency, but I pay a high price for it in terms of my mental wellbeing. I'd much rather not ask them for anything and be able to live my life in peace without fear of being judged or bullied, but DH is very, very close to them, and I spend more time with them than I would choose for his (and DS's) sake. I could refuse - plenty of other family members have cut them off too - but it would cause a significant amount of pain to my DH, so I put up with it.

I started this thread because I was massively conflicted about being forced to accept help from people who bully me. I've said from the outset how grateful I am for what they do for me, and that's why they've got away with treating me badly for so many years. I was in an acute state of distress last week, and worried for my baby, which led to my hospital stay. But I've never lost sight of the fact that they do do a lot for us.

You are of course right about the shoes, it was just a gentle anecdote to show that she doesn't listen to me, DS's mother, even when I've explicitly asked her to do things a certain way. She would bend over backwards if DH asked though. But it's far from being the end of the world, I agree!

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mamansnet · 16/07/2020 23:16

@notthemum you really are the best! 😘😘😘

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notthemum · 16/07/2020 23:31

I know, and modest to a fault. Whereas you my lovely are far too bloody nice even to those who don't deserve it. Have a good sleep.
MN Mum

pickingdaisies · 17/07/2020 12:36

Hi all, I'm so glad notthemum's ways are rubbing off on you, maman! Keep smiling (and ignoring their "advice")
I'm also wondering how long it will take for mil to revert to type...

notthemum · 17/07/2020 12:59

Hi Maman, just checking on you. Hope you are OK.
MN Mum

mamansnet · 17/07/2020 21:43

hi MN Mum and Daisies!

Sorry for the late reply. My phone is refusing to publish posts even though the app says 'sent' so I had to wait until I could get to my laptop.

Nice day today, everyone went to the beach this afternoon so I stayed home alone in the garden with the sun lounger and parasol. Blissful peace and quiet 😊

Went to see the doctor this morning for my 'official' appointment in case things kick off early while I'm still miles from home. BABY HAS TURNED!!!! It might not last of course, the head isn't engaged but I was thrilled to see that she's circling the drain, as it were 😂😂😂

I told DH not to come in with me in case the doc wanted to discuss last week. When I came out I said that baby had turned (he was as relieved as I am) but the info was strictly to stay between us, because I can't face the 'told you so's from the PILs, especially when baby could still flip around again. He understood, and I'm 99% sure I can trust him to not tell his mum on the quiet.

Interesting perspective on the family dynamics these last 2 days. At the dinner table last night with our friends (who decided to stay an extra day until tomorrow, hurrah!), I was heading to bed and just said 'quick reminder, I've got my hospital appointment at 9.30am tomorrow so I'll need a lift'. FIL looked at DH and said 'so you'll be taking Maman then?' DH said 'urgh, 9.30 is so early, I'm knackered and was going to sleep in.' (bloody golden children).

MIL jumped in and said 'no, don't worry, you sleep in and I'll take her.' Even though she had ELEVEN people to shop and cook for this lunchtime. FIL was obviously annoyed with DH - and rightly so - and apparently they had words afterwards about how DH needs to pitch in and take some of the load off MIL. So DH took me.

At breakfast this morning she was visibly knackered, so I tried to help out by offering to send DH to do the food shopping during my appointment, or to take DS with us and let him play on the swings within the hospital grounds while I was with the doctor. She completely refused any help and said it was a joy for her to take DS shopping with her even though it would take 3 times as long.

It's not to slag her off, but she really is her own worst enemy at times. She insists on doing everything herself, actively prevents me from helping, then has a go at me because I've "left her to do it all herself", even though I've begged and pleaded with her to let me help. DH and FIL are not allowed to do anything of course, because they're male.

When we're visiting, I ask her daily what can I do to pitch in (even now, while I'm in a wheelchair and little use to anyone) and she'll reply 'nothing'. I offer to go out in the car to run whatever errands she needs doing and she won't let me - not even to buy a tin of beans. I offer to cook and she'll change her plans without telling me so that she doesn't have to eat my food. And then she plays the martyr for having to do it all herself.

We've had arguments in the past because I'm supposed to KNOW AUTOMATICALLY what needs to be done and just do it without offering. I really can't win.

Which is a big part of why I have anxiety problems around her. I totally accept that I got myself wound up and stressed last week, but it wasn't without good reason/past experience. It's been like this for years, but with the added pressure of late pregnancy + broken ankle, and no DH to keep the peace, it's no bloody wonder I lost the plot.

I might tell him the truth during the spa weekend about why I was hospitalised. Not quite decided yet.

However, I did tell him today that he does need to step up and do more while we're here, since I can't. Bollocks to this regressing to being the golden child when his mum is around. I told him that, myself personally, I can grudgingly wait those 2 minutes for him to finish his coffee before he empties the wee out of DS's potty -like he said he would Angry, but MIL won't. She'll just do it herself, along with everything else. Eventually she'll tire herself out and I'll end up the one bearing the brunt of the subsequent bad mood, yet again.

Anyway, I got him to put on a load of my dirty washing this evening and he says that he's going to iron it for me tomorrow before we go away on Sunday. I can guarantee that MIL will insist on doing it for him (no doubt at 6am before he's awake and able to argue) but I hope he's going to resist. I intend to lie back on my sun lounger and watch it play out. I hope Golden Child wins and makes her sit down and watch while he does it, the poor woman will probably short circuit in horror 🤣🤣🤣

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mamansnet · 17/07/2020 22:02

Just read back my last post and no doubt somebody will be along soon to tell me that looking after DS is mine and DH's job, and I should't just expect MIL to mind him while I'm busy at the hospital (yawn).

Here's a pre-emptive 🤦‍♀️ and anticipatory explanation that kids aren't allowed in the consultation rooms during Covid, so she told us to leave him with her. We hadn't assumed or even asked for her to babysit, and suggested alternatives which were outright refused. HTH Grin

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RandomMess · 17/07/2020 22:29

Oh dear MIL is incredibly toxic...

She desperately wants DH and you deep in FOG!

notthemum · 17/07/2020 23:17

Hi honey, glad you are OK.
Honestly MIL is getting on my fucking nerves and I only ever had the one. 🙄
Try to hang in there you are doing so well.
I'm sorry that the Golden Child was tired. And not bashing him (that's your job if/when you like and ours to listen and agree) but Ffs. Glad FIL had a word. May have been a difficult trip with MIL.
I am pleased baby has turned keeping 🤞that she stays there. 💐
You should send DH for goodies tomorrow and make sure MIL sees him give them to you then eat them in front of her. 😂😉.
OMG. I was just going to get into bed when DP (who has had a few and is now snoring his head off) farted. 🤢🤮🤮. Sorry TMI. Think I may be up for a while longer. Here is a stash for tonight. 🍷🍧🍰🍫
Hope you get some sleep.
MN Mum.
O Christ the fucker has woken up now. 🤪😢

lurkingattheback · 18/07/2020 07:37

I've been following the thread, I have to say there may be a lot of back story, but you are also being manipulating. The thread seems to have enabled you to think everyone else's behaviour is poor. I would hate every word and action of mine to be so analysed.

Erictheavocado · 18/07/2020 08:18

@lurkingattheback

I've been following the thread, I have to say there may be a lot of back story, but you are also being manipulating. The thread seems to have enabled you to think everyone else's behaviour is poor. I would hate every word and action of mine to be so analysed.
I can see how you would think that, but to be honest, I tend to think that unless you seriously expect the OP to relate every single incident that has led to her current thinking ,we have to accept that she has a good reason for doing what she does. Personally, there is a situation in DH's family and I am sure that if I were to start a thread on it I would be told I am cold, heartless etc etc. But what you would not have is the context of the 40+ year history of unkind, unpleasant and downright spiteful behaviour, which still continues and has led me to where I am as far as that person is concerned.
notthemum · 18/07/2020 10:17

Lurkingattheback
Really ? This is a forum for people (usually women) to come on to be able to chat, moan, complain and hopefully mostly get support. Indeed there are some lovely people who offer sensitive advice and information and a lot of people get a lot out of it.
Then there are a few who unfortunately either deliberately misunderstand the thread or lurk around in order to cause upset to an already stressed OP.
I genuinely wonder why they do this ? Although they are entirely within their rights to hold a different opinion to most of the people on the thread and I would definitely advocate on their behalf that they should be allowed to hold that opinion. I do think that unless you have read and understood what is being said maybe under the circumstances it might be kinder to keep those thoughts to themselves.

mrsmuddlepies · 18/07/2020 10:28

I completely agree with you @lurkingattheback . There is a lot of distasteful stuff on this thread.

UranusAttacks · 18/07/2020 10:57

I kinda agree too. I have an awful relationship with my MIL but I’d never leave her to do alos

UranusAttacks · 18/07/2020 10:58

Almost all my childcare because I couldn’t trust her not to be manipulative.

UranusAttacks · 18/07/2020 11:04

This woman has essentially taken on the main carer role when she’s lived her time of having children, she’s probably 100% more exhausted now that she’s a little older and she’s made a few mild comments that have been taken a little overboard. Hard times and emotions are heightened but I really think you should see that while it’s awful on you it’s also really hard on MIL and FIL. Imagine spending all day tiptoeing around someone who you’ve invited into your home to help because everything you say will be met with defensive dismissal.

mrsmuddlepies · 18/07/2020 11:14

I am always reading on MN that you should not post anything that you could not say to the person in real life. The PILs are probably not perfect (who is) but it sounds as if they have been really accommodating. I wonder how they would feel if they read the OP's comments. I wonder how the OP would feel if she was to read an unpleasant diary written by house guests

peachsquish · 18/07/2020 11:30

Sometimes it's really easy to see which posters have never had toxic family relationships.