Should I refuse Vaccine?

[M0MY32]

Hi everyone,
I'm just over 28 weeks pregnant and my midwife has asked whether I have been vaccinated for Pertussis yet. I told her I had not as I had read about the Aluminium toxicity in the vaccine and decided against having it. She is being fairly pushy about it and now I don't know what to do. Help please!

@M0MY32 is absolutely clueless and does not understand what she's reading. I think it's absolutely pointless debating this anymore

There’s no point in arguing with this OP. She’s clearly made up her made (probably before the thread was even created)

*bruffin it's is "prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired"
That just makes even less likely to do any harm doesnt it

You don't have a clue what all those big words you're spouting mean, just that some unknown on the internet says they're bad. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing, all these people thinking a few hours of research on sites with posh sounding names makes them super scientist Dr Google Phd.

OP, can you cite one single piece of evidence that this vaccination harms foetuses? The FDA quote you mention above clearly isn't the evidence you claim it is.

She isn't a mum looking for opinions, she's an anti vaxxer trying to propagate their nonsense. Natural selection will take out a lot of them eventually, let's just hope they don't take too many of us with them.

It’s pretty alarming that someone thinks that linking to a formatted journal article backs up their reasoning, without evidence of their having actually read, let alone understood the content! Do people only look at the titles and assume the content? (Yes, probably - it reminds me of the phenomenon university tutors talk about whereby students think that downloading/checking out a book/article from the library = reading it!)

No point arguing with people like this. It’s so tempting to get them to realise how desperately selfish they are being but they don’t ever get it.

OP from your posts and reactions to the views and advice shared here it seems that either

A. You have already made up your mind and want to find people who agree with you to justify your decision to yourself

or

B. have made up your mind and want to persuade other pregnant woman that you are right so they do the same as you.

Neither are particularly productive.

It is virtually impossible to prove anything to be risk free by the nature of science.

I can say that eating baked beans gives you cancer and you will know it isn't true but you cannot scientifically prove that it doesn't.

I am always pretty clueless when it comes to sciency stuff but even I can bloody read that the link you have posted has fuck all to do with a vaccine in unborn babies ffs!! Do you intend to a) determine if your unborn baby has a kidney issue ans b) somehow persuade your GP to administer the whooping cough jab several times??? If no then your point is, well, redunant. Posting links about prolonged exposure does absolutely nothing except make you look like a twat

No don’t have the jab.
After all it’s only whooping cough

Just let natural selection take its course

By you not having it, you are endangering other mothers and babies who can't have it.

These most vulnerable members of society rely on herd immunity to keep them safe.

If you won't do it for your baby (!) do it for them

Of course it's benefit vs risk. And while most people would go for the vaccination and while I appreciate it's an emotive subject I think it's good to air what we think are the facts, rather than sling abuse.

Aluminium is a neurotoxin. There are a number of ways it can potentially get into our bodies, tap water, kitchen/cook ware/adjuvants.

Keele University's Professor Exley has a lot of interest in the role of aluminium as a neurotoxin, particularly in alzheimers and autism. He has found what he calls very high levels of aluminium within the brain cells of people with a diagnosis of alzheimers and autism.

From what I can understand some people's bodies are unable to get rid of aluminium in the same way as others. I presume there is a genetic reason for this; I have no idea how very young children or babies’ brains cope with aluminium or indeed how much of a vaccine given to the mother passes on to the baby. But I thought it was worth sharing what Exley’s 30 years of research has thrown up on aluminium generally.

My understanding is that in nature, aluminium is balanced out by silica. So where al has been isolated for use in today’s world then drinking a mineral water with more than 30 mg/L of silica may help your body to eliminate aluminium if it might otherwise not be able to. So to MOMY32 perhaps if you do get the vaccination that might be an easy safety net if you’re concerned.

Exley asks on his blog (Professors in Bioinorganic Chemistry also write blogs, not just ‘crackpots’) “How do you express a legitimate concern about aluminium adjuvants in vaccinations without being labelled as ‘anti-vaccine’?” The answer to his own question is that you can’t.

www.hippocraticpost.com/infection-disease/aluminium-and-autism/

emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763

He says aluminium as an adjuvant hasn't been clinically approved on its own, explained here at 2.28 :

I haven't chipped in to inflame the debate, just add what I've looked up previously based on general concerns about aluminium.

Absolutely frigging crazy. Spacing out vaccines one at a time and not having vaccines while your pregnant is pointless. Your baby can safely cope with them, your baby could safely cope with 50 vaccines at once if it had to. You think you're protecting your baby but you're putting it at risk by taking advice from non credible sources. Jesus pregnant women aren't even allowed to eat rare steak 'just in case', do you really think the NHS would be recommending these vaccines if there was a risk to your baby?! Vaccinations shouldn't be optional, they save lives.

Again, have you ever seen a baby with whooping cough? Do you understand what you are risking? Or is it just some hypothetical thing that's unlikely to happen to you? This happens to people all the time, it can happen to anyone. You can't even imagine the things I saw while my son was in the HDU, not just him but other kids too. It's the stuff of your worst nightmares - do you really grasp this?

The other big danger with whooping cough is that adults are unlikely to know when they have whooping cough rather than a bad cough, which is how my son was infected with it while still a nicu patient - people are usually sensible enough to keep those infected with chicken pox and measles away from newborns, but this is different.

My DM didn’t vaccinate me for many years as she wa scared it would cause autism.

My Ddad has hfa, my dd has been diagnosed with asd and I’m currently waiting to be assessed for autism myself (picked up when I was attending dd’s appointments with her)

I didn’t hesitate to vaccinate my dc. I don’t for a second believe vaccines have anything to do with it, it’s deinitely genetic in my family.

And autism trumps dead/extremely physically disabled any day in my book.

I second PP. Whooping cough is horrendous and even as a trained medical professional it is scary to deal with. Are you going to refuse the meningitis vaccine for your baby too? Because whooping cough is as equally severe. I hope your poor child is lucky enough to stay healthy because im sure if the baby had a choice it would want to be protected. Unfortunately it's got you to make that decision for it.

I'm not even going to being to address the nonsense you have posted in all the links you have put up as it is just that - nonsense.

You have confused route of administration with crossing of blood brain barrier, failed to consider that the vaccine is being administered to you and not the foetus therefore anything has to pass across the placenta/umbilical cord (which all of it will of course not as your body will get rid of most of it), it then needs to cross the baby's blood brain barrier and I could go on...

Meanwhile, I spent a few months this year treating a baby who was born healthy and contracted pertussis as a newborn (Mum not vaccinated in pregnancy) on intensive care and now has permanent brain damage and is dependent on a ventilator - will be unable to breathe normally ever and never be independent when they grow up.

It's a no brainier from where I'm standing

It's perfectly sensible to question the use of aluminium (hell, I refuse to use anti-perspirant that contains it) - but if the option is aluminium vs vaccine, it's a no brainer, surely?

Whooping cough kills babies. Yes, Alzheimer's is awful, but better than a dead baby. And while there may be a link to autism (currently not proven), not every baby who is vaccinated gets autism, and if you asked the parent of a baby with whooping cough if they'd rather their child was healthy and autistic, bet I know what they'd all say.

More research into the use of aluminium is needed. Refusing vaccinations is not the answer

Of course I am considering vaccinating my baby when born. I would however be concerned about them having too many vaccinations at one time (for the same reason) so will certainly be spacing them out over a longer period of time and seeking to find single vaccines where possible.

So in this case you want to expose them to multiple vaccines, therefore multiple exposures to preservatives such as aluminium which you are claiming are harmful

You honestly don't have the faintest idea what you are talking about and come across as incredibly ignorant and stupid

Also fuck off with your FDA nonsense, we're not in America.

Are you also a flat earther?

Exley’s Science is constantly debunked as bad science. Not a good example in supporting rt of the aluminium argument. His autism & aluminium Brain studies didn’t have controls so there were no comparisons made. You can’t make a claim about aluminium in the brains of autistic people without also including the levels in the brains of allistic people too.

If I was in any doubt about getting the vaccine, the video that @BattleCuntGalactica posted, 9 responses down from your original post would be all the convincing that I would need! I'm always so shocked when people question these vaccines against illnesses and diseases that can kill! F**king stupid!