Should I refuse Vaccine?

[M0MY32]

Hi everyone,
I'm just over 28 weeks pregnant and my midwife has asked whether I have been vaccinated for Pertussis yet. I told her I had not as I had read about the Aluminium toxicity in the vaccine and decided against having it. She is being fairly pushy about it and now I don't know what to do. Help please!

@M0MY32
You mentioned that because something is injected it will cross the blood / brain barrier as compared to something which is ingested. You are WRONG. That's not how the blood brain barrier works. You are utterly clueless and are making assumptions based on evidence you really do not understand. I'm guessing you don't have a science / medical background. Ask you GP "friends" to explain the blood brain barrier to you.

Just get the vaccine. They are all there for very good reason. I'm sitting here beside my DH at 38 weeks. He has this serious flu going around. Thank God I got vaccinated, and my 3 and 4 yr old. I'm just hoping our vaccine covers what he has because it's dangerous for me and the little ones.

OP sorry haven't read the whole thread through but... From what Ao can make out you've completely made your mind up so why on earth ask the question?

To answer your question no. No you should not refuse the vaccination.
But inspite of the many excellent points raised by the other posters based in fact and medical studies as opposed to internet scaremongering it sounds like you’re going to.

Absolutely not. Take the vaccine

Look, of course there is risk associated with taking a vaccine, as with any drug. The people that hail vaccines as some sort of perfect science with NO risk of adverse outcomes are ridiculous and rarely scientists or medics themselves. That said, most scientists and medics observe the risks and still vaccinate their babies.

The difficulty is balancing the risk of accepting it (unqualified and unquantified risk) with the risk of not accepting it (whooping cough, possibly death).

Your concerns about aluminum levels based on the maximum acceptable level for a baby do not take into account the fact the the advised daily max is entirely arbitrary in the first place. Nobody knows any of this stuff for sure because babies can't participate in that sort of clinical trial.

You are likely to give birth in a hospital and also to socialise and be in public with you baby over the following few months, thus exposure to pertussis is a reasonable possibility. Any potential damage based on aluminium exposure is likely to be minimal and not life changing, if it exists at all.

On balance, vaccination for pertussis is the only sensible option given the danger of whooping cough.

Great post BrokenBattle

There is plenty of evidence to demonstrate the danger of Aluminium in Vaccines, cited by FDA studies, that's the problem, as well as other studies I've already posted. The main point is, Aluminium is a known neurotoxin, there is no debate about this and the vaccine contains more than 50 times the safe amount for an unborn baby at 4lbs. Aluminium in large doses can effect brain development in babies. Also as someone has mentioned Autism, they should do some research on Dr William Thompson!

If you don't vaccinate and in the unfortunate event of your baby contracting whooping cough, will you be happy to avail yourself of the expertise of the paediatricians and nursing staff within the NHS who would save your baby's life?
Or would you be scrabbling around looking for obscure 'drs' with alternative treatments and advice ?

Link us to them then because nothing you’ve posted so far states that.

there is plenty of evidence to demonstrate the danger of Aluminium in Vaccines, cited by FDA studies,

no there isnt, link to them

Also as someone has mentioned Autism, they should do some research on Dr William Thompson!
That was a huge non event that proved nothing other than Brian Hooker cant do maths.

Ok op so this is your decision.

Risk having a vaccine which may ( although there is no known cases of) effect your child negatively.

Or

Risk not having a vaccine which may then lead to your child dying from whooping cough (of which there are many known cases of).

I know which risk I would choose.

You are being incredibly selfish OP.\

This comment does not make sense. The OP is trying to make the best decision she can for her baby.

As someone who almost lost one of her twins when he contracted whooping cough at 8 weeks old, I urge you to have the vaccine. Have you ever seen a newborn with pertussis? Do you understand how serious it is?

I had the vaccine and it worked for his twin, but he was growth restricted and for some reason it didn't seem to work for him, although they did suspect he would have been even sicker without it (which honestly is shocking). Spending 11 days and nights in a plastic recliner next to your seriously ill baby is not something I'd wish on my worst enemy.

KindDogsTail

Except she isn’t trying because she’s set in her ways

Here is the actual FDA link
www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=201.323

Actual quote

"Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 [micro]g/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration"

FFS OP.

It even says there "PROLONGED PATERNAL ADMINISTRATION"

It's not relevant. Take the fu^&ing vaccine.

Are you a medical research scientist with years of experience researching in this area of alleged difficulty with the vaccine?

Did you even get an A in GCSE biology?

Suggest you go with the experts, ie have the vaccine and protect your baby from the much bigger and more likely risk of dying from whooping cough.

I have had it.

Avoiding vaccines is always stupid.

You seriously do not understand what you are reading unless you have a degree in medical science.

That’s got nothing to do with vaccines..

"This product contains aluminum that may be toxic. Aluminum may reach toxic levels with prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired. Premature neonates are particularly at risk because their kidneys are immature, and they require large amounts of calcium and phosphate solutions, which contain aluminum.

Research indicates that patients with impaired kidney function, including premature neonates, who receive parenteral levels of aluminum at greater than 4 to 5 [micro]g/kg/day accumulate aluminum at levels associated with central nervous system and bone toxicity. Tissue loading may occur at even lower rates of administration.

Have actually read it , do you know what prolonged means. Again it is long term use that is the problem not a one off vaccine!

parenteral - different to paternal

And still not relevant to the vaccine administered to the mother whilst the baby is in utero

MOMY

ACTUAL QUOTE from British Medical journal "In women given pertussis vaccination in the third trimester, there is no evidence of an increased risk of any of an extensive predefined list of adverse events related to pregnancy. "

or

This study found no evidence of an increased risk of any of the extensive predefined list of adverse events related to pregnancy. In particular, there was no evidence of an increased risk of stillbirth.

bruffin it's is "prolonged parenteral administration if kidney function is impaired"