Should I refuse Vaccine?

[M0MY32]

Hi everyone,
I'm just over 28 weeks pregnant and my midwife has asked whether I have been vaccinated for Pertussis yet. I told her I had not as I had read about the Aluminium toxicity in the vaccine and decided against having it. She is being fairly pushy about it and now I don't know what to do. Help please!

Oh lord, this guy is so full of shit!

There are many medications that have never been checked on pregnant women or children. For the main reason of being the ethics surrounding it. However, the reporting of side effects is more vigilant so it can be observed retrospectively. Your life I suppose and your decision. However, pertussis is an evil illness and potentially fatal. Be careful with your decision making. Please get evidence based information to support your decision.

Have a look for community-based studies of the Tdap vaccine. It hasn't been 'tested' in pharmaceutical development trials on pregnant women, you're right. I'm a health scientist and no pharmaceuticals, including vaccines, are trialled in development phases on pregnant women. We aren't allowed to do that. BUT there are loads of community-based studies of Tdap in pregnant women dating back years and years in the U.S. where it's been used as standard for much longer than in the UK. The results are all very positive. The U.S. CDC also has a page on Tdap vaccine safety. Google and see if you can find it. It's related to adverse events reporting. The occurrence of adverse events and stillbirths after receiving the vaccine (not caused by the vaccine, just anyone who had a stillbirth, even unrelated to the vaccine itself) is still considerably lower than the occurrence of serious morbidity or mortality due to perinatal pertussis infection. I think if I remember correctly the risk of whooping cough death is several times the risk of stillbirth in mother's who've had the vaccine (even when stillbirth is unrelated to the vaccine). So the numbers by far work in the favour of vaccination, which is why it's NHS guidance to encourage it.

Have the vaccine. I forgot, and was absolutely mortified when I realised I'd missed it. It was on my mind until my baby completed his initial course of vaccines.

How about all the women who have had it and their babies are fine? Me included. Would you rather risk your baby dying from something you could have prevented from having the damn vaccine?

"Published research from the UK vaccination programme shows that vaccinating pregnant women against whooping cough has been highly effective in protecting young babies until they can have their first vaccination when they are two months old.

Babies born to women vaccinated at least a week before birth had a 91% reduced risk of becoming ill with whooping cough in their first weeks of life, compared to babies whose mothers had not been vaccinated.

An additional benefit is that the protection the mother receives from the vaccination will lower her own risk of infection and of passing whooping cough on to her baby."

www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/whooping-cough-vaccination-pregnant.aspx

Or maybe the NHS just has so much cash they've decided to piss some of it up the wall on vaccines that don't work and are actually harmful?

Have the vaccine. Husband and I caught whooping cough itself during my last pregnancy and it was horrendous. We were both extremely ill for weeks and weeks and weeks. Would not wish it on another adult, never mind a baby.

Also echoing other posters, why would you rather take advice from some random crackpot's blog than an actual legitimate medical professional? If only there was some kind of mandatory competency test for becoming a parent

OP I think you shouldnt put the vaccination to your baby, why? It seems you have clearly informed yourself about the pros/cons of it and for you the cons are more important than the pros. You dont even believe your NHS doctors therefore, why would you trust us completly annonimous people what we say?

If once the baby is here and in the event of baby catching whopping cough you'd be able to forgive yourself then go ahead and dont have it but please,

PD. I'm having the whopping cough jab next week, I trust my mw and gp more than anyone(specially in the internet) right now so I'll do whatever for my baby

lookingforthecorkscrew....he is a paediatric Dr so hardly a crackpot. I have a few friends who are GP's and have asked them also but they know nothing about what's actually in the Vaccine etc. just that the NHS advise them to administer it.

I am also a paediatric doctor and yes he is a crack pot. Have the vaccine, watching your child struggle to breath and not suffocate to death if you could have prevented it will not be something you will ever forgive yourself for if they are unlucky enough to get it. I know I have had these words said to me by a mother before.

OK so you’re convinced by him, fine. Others find the NHS and UK electronic Medicines Compendium info more reliable

OP, how many posts do you want encouraging you to have it? Will 100+ be enough or have you already made your decision not to have it and are just looking for a needle in a haystack for someone to support and agree with you?

www.scientificamerican.com/article/baboon-study-reveals-new-shortcoming-of-pertussis-vaccine/

Here is another link to consider

Keep posting your bullshit links but people have resoundingly said get the vaccine. Piss off if you don't agree.

momy32 if he is a paediatric doctor why is he misinterpreting the guidelines.

Why does it matter what the limit is for a baby when it’s being injected into the mother ? By the time it’s filtered through to baby that’ll be a lot less of any potential toxins and tbh I’d be more worried about whooping cough as it kills babies

I’ve had it done. My eldest had whooping cough at 2 years old it was horrific and because I’d been stupid enough to believe scaremongering

boydoggies, I'm merely looking for as much info as possible! I am considering this very seriously! Has anyone any links to studies to prove that the levels of aluminium in the vaccine will do no harm whatsoever to my baby?

OP, you originally said you dont know what to do - 'Help Please!'

Given the responses have you been swayed to get the vaccine or are you still set on what you have read on the internet being true and believe the vaccine is dangerous?

How does that relate to vaccinating expectant mothers in order to give some protection to the newborn?

@M0MY32 the proof is in the pudding. None of our babies have died from aluminium overdose.

(Do you think vaccines are infected straight into your blood stream? Hilarious).

Clearly from anti-vacation lobby. I would suggest no further responses thereby cutting off air......

That article again is utter rubbish.

Go on pubmed do a bit of reading

Why dont you go over to the bereavement section and check out the thread for parents of deceased children, if that isnt enough to make you go and have the vaccine i could always private message you and tell you precisely what its like to hold your dead child in your arms and the never ending pain that is now part of me till the day that i die.

You've already made up your mind. Quite how you're going to do single jabs when there is no single mumps vaccine available in the UK I'm not sure, and why any mother would make their child have three injections instead of one I also don't understand. But you clearly know best. Babies die of whooping cough. I hope you never have that on your conscience.