Should I refuse Vaccine?

[M0MY32]

Hi everyone,
I'm just over 28 weeks pregnant and my midwife has asked whether I have been vaccinated for Pertussis yet. I told her I had not as I had read about the Aluminium toxicity in the vaccine and decided against having it. She is being fairly pushy about it and now I don't know what to do. Help please!

As it would be injected it would cross the blood / brain barrier.

Why do you think this? Injecting a substance doesn't mean it will automatically cross the blood-brain barrier. Also any substance you take has to also cross the placenta first.

Get the vaccine

Why ask for advice when your mind is set?

OP, are you considering getting the vaccine given the responses here?

RavingRoo...if you read the link you posted in its entirety he is talking about Acetaminopheninhibiting the livers ability to produce the detoxification molecule, glutathione which when combined with receiving a vaccine containg a high dosage of Aluminium can further inhibit the body getting rid of it, therefore even more being retained and harming the infant!

What about a fetus when the mother is vaccinated?

My friends brother's baby girl died of whooping cough. Heartbreaking.

You seem like you've already convinced yourself why you're not getting vaccinated against all sensible and educated advice.

OP, why have you posted this twice today in two different topics? Suggest you ask for the duplicate to be taken down.

Welcome to Mumsnet BTW.

The link you posted is a blog though...

I have a feeling the OP was just looking for a load of people to agree with her, and to validate her decision which is sounds like is already made.

I can't believe you are believing someones blog over actual medical advice on the health of YOUR CHILD. FFS

OP - it's scary being pregnant for the first time, and overwhelming and in the next 18 years you are going to have to make many hard, complicated and confusing decisions for your child. This isn't one of those hard decisions. Millions of woman world wide have had this vaccination without issue. Take it.

I had whooping cough and then double pneumonia when I was 2 weeks old in the 1960s, my parents were told I was going to die. I didn't but I was left with lung issues. It's really not worth the risk.

If you had a legal problem - a serious one - would you:

(a) try to sort it out yourself by reading legal text books or the internet;
(b) take legal advice from someone with no law degree or legal qualifications;
(c) follow the advice of the vast majority of highly qualified lawyers who all agree on what the answer is;
(d) follow the advice of the minority of lawyers who have their own theory as to what the answer is?

If you are in any doubt, the correct answer is (c). But for some reason when it comes to medical problems people get all worked up about (d) and try to solve it via (a) and (b). It's utterly mad.

Op, you are doing yourself no favours spouting crap you barely understand.
Watch a child dying of whooping cough. Watch a parent watching them. That's pretty compelling.

It sounds like you're going to refuse it and nothing anyone will say will persuade you otherwise so I'm not sure why you're asking for advice on whether to get it or not?
Surely the chances of your baby getting whooping cough far exceed the chances of it getting toxicity from aluminium ?

There are people who like to start these sorts of threads to sow doubt in the minds of already anxious pregnant women. No reason to assume the OP is one of them, of course. Hopefully any lurkers will be able to use the links and information people, including the OP, have spent time providing, and come to their own decisions about what is best for them and their baby

Don’t get it then. If your child dies it will be completely and utterly your fault and no-one elses. Poor kid, having such a brainless imbecile for a ‘mother’.

You seem to have morphed from concerned pregnant mother to be asking for opinions to strident anti-vaccination campaigner (complete with links to madster bloggers) very quickly...

Is that you, Paul?

MOMY32

The blogger has completely misinterpreted the guidance on aluminium. It is for long term use ie a baby on a drip for weeks, not an occasional vaccine once every few months.

Oh great, another moron OP. Don’t vaccinate then, it’s your baby and your (poor judgement) call. You’re an idiot, but you’re within your legal rights to be.

Thanks @cricketqueen and @user7654321

Regarding the OP: it looks to me as if you are simply waiting for someone to agree with you and tell you that you're doing the right thing not having it. Sounds like you want someone to relief your bad conscience that you probably don't admit to yourself? That in case anything was to happen you weren't to carry all the weight on your shoulders alone? I think this enough is a a sign that you do have doubt. Reconsider your anti whooping cough jab opinion and think about whether you could live with the guilt should anything happen that could have been so easily avoided.

Dr Paul is good for one thing: freezing warts on YouTube. The minute he starts talking I want to throw my phone at the wall.

No vaccine will ever be tested on pregnant women- it wouldn’t clear ethics. I’ll mistletoe, if your google search trumps peer reviewed medical journals and medical professionals, that’s your choice. But having seen a baby die from whooping cough, I would not be hesitating regarding the vaccine.

I had the whooping cough vaccine as part of the childhood immunisations. When I was about 8 I had mild whooping cough - mild because I had been vaccinated. I was very poorly for a couple of weeks and had a cough so bad it made me sick for weeks. The memory of this meant that I didn't question getting my two dds vaccinated. Being a parent means making decisions which result in the best outcome for your child. The evidence for having the vaccine really seems like the right thing to do.

One of my NCT group avoided the MMR and planned to vaccinate separately (and humanely - her actual words). Her baby got measles and spent a week in hospital.

I can't recommend the vaccination enough. Whooping cough has been doing the rounds lately and it can be a killer. Your baby won't get their own jabs until 8 weeks old, that leaves 2 months where they're at a higher risk.

My eldest was due to be vaccinated at the height of the vaccines/autism debacle. A friend chose to do single vaccines. It later transpired that they may not have been stored properly and her child was likely not to have immunity.

Don’t have it if you don’t want it. But don’t moan if your child dies because of it, because you could have prevented it.