Child tax credit is it true ?

[Coreynkayden]

Iv seen people sharing things about no money will be giving to families that are expecting there 3rd child after today does anybody know if this is true ?? I understand price cuts to help but i dnt see how me and my kids are going to suvive on the money i get wen my baby is here we only jst manage now :(

I haven't read every single comment but I just wanted to point out that this is actually going to affect existing children at some point.

As tax credits get merged under universal credit, everyone will be classed as a new claimant. I believe the cap will be applied to everyone by the end of 2018.

See the op fucked off completely then?

I would say the media have done a sterling job reading this thread.

Child tax credit is now considered a benefit you should be ashamed of.

The me why should I pay, why should someone have more than me on this thread is a reflection of the sad times we are living in.

I am a LP work but 32.5 hours a week. I cannot manage more and function well. I get £6 a week for Ex and no contact no support at all. I only have one child but has some Special needs that affect our lives. am sure you begrudge paying your taxes to fund me..

The really sad thing in this thread is the I can do it.. Katie Price has managed a great careers , lp Between marriages. However she has a huge back up for life to continue.

I also agree with the poster when others say they can't afford it they mean they don't want to make further adaptions to there lifestyle.

I don't know the figures but the families with huge numbers of kids are not the everyday norm. How many families do you know with anymore than 3 children.

Do you really believe these people on these programs are the everyday norm. Or do you choose to believe there is no point paying extra as the money will only be spent on cheap cider, fags and a widescreen TV.

I don't think anything covers living costs , they rise annually but the amount the government says you need to live on doesn't. I work full time and I'm a single parent the LHA here for a 2 bed is 700 a month despite the cheapest 2 bed you can find being £900 so from your £152 the government says is enough for 1 adult 1 child to live on 200 of that's gone straight away on the shortfall for rent. Leaving a grand total of £408 for a month , my gas, electricity, water, council tax and tv licence alone costs that, so what's left for food and other bills like public travel, internet ?

Nobody has said they can't have kids - they are just limiting it to 2 that they pay for AND capping the benifit to a living wage.

It's not right that a non worker should receive more than a worker.

Kids will still get free nursery places free dinner free NHS care etc

It's not the government that makes individual choices but the parents -
All parents will now face the same choices about affordability - but I don't see pages of newspapers filled with working parents bemoaning their wages and wanting more children

So what's the answer?

If these cuts to NEW claims for tax credits for third and subsequent children are stopped, what is your solution?

Keep doling out tax credits and child benefit for as many children as people want to have? Let's go back to giving people a £500 health in pregnancy grant, and a £500 sure start grant, and dishing out money willy nilly just because. It got WAY out of hand and it's quite right that we're getting back to a more sensible system.

Yes the Benefits system should be there to support people who are genuinely unable to work - either because they are disabled themselves or because they are caring for very young or disabled children. No the Benefits system should not be rewarding people who choose not to work, or know how to play the system so that they pop out a baby every so often and keep collecting the tax credits, child benefit and the rest of it.

Confusedat23 your view on single parents is not only wrong but you have been brainwashed to actually believe the nonsense you spout. I bet you love the channel 5 benefit programs where you get your 'facts' from.

'To actually think there are people who think single parents get council houses willy niilly and every benefit thrown at them living the lap of luxury.

Research the statistics of child poverty and being in a single parent family. Most single parents work but are still in poverty.

This is for you confusdat23

https://gingerbread.org.uk/content/365/Statistics

Single parent families are twice as likely to be in poverty than couple families.
Most single parents don't receive maintenance ( wonder why MPs allow this to happen?)
66% single parents work

I have three children and we get tax credits to top up our wages but even i agree with this we chose to have number three (bit of a suprise as i had the coil) and knew it would be a struggle. We both work but not on the best wages but we want to teach our children to have a good work ethic. To save on childcare i did nights and dp did days until recently when i got a job to fit round the school. What gets me is that my dc see neighbours whos parents dont do anything living better lifestyles than them even with 5 or 6 children. Something isnt right but im not sure what the answer is.

I dont think this cut will stop alot of people having children. As others have said alit of people see children as equalling love and have a the world ows me a living mentality which needs to be changed. I think this is just going to cause more child povety unless we can get to the root of the problem.

I would say the media have done a sterling job reading this thread

Why do you think it's spin in the newspapers/on the tv rather than what we can see around us with our actual eyes?

And what the fuck happened to personal responsibility? It's amazing that even with all these options for birth control in the 21st Century, pregnancy still appears to be something that just 'happens' to people

Of course it's spin by the govt and media.
A poster below has stated single parents get every benefit thrown at them and are living the lap of luxury and get nice free houses.
Statistics prove otherwise.

People who claim their next door neighbours get everything and are living a lap of luxury do not know how much debt these people are in nor do they know if they have family helping them out.
It amazes me people know the ins and outs of everything their neighbours do and how much they earn and what benefits they get when most people only say hi to their neighbours and that's it.

These people are the same ones who get annoyed at their neighbour who has a disability but looks fine to them and doesn't deserve DLA.

There are quite a few near me im not saying they are the norm just that they exist. I also know alot of people with 3 children who work in shit jobs (me included) and scrape by. I dont know what the answer is and i think it is a few ruining it for the rest.

dixie if that happens i will go back to working nights as i can make more for less hours.

Id work something out. Ive managed before. My ex left me with my dd up to my eyes in dept and i managed i went without food but managed. Im not saying the cuts are right just something in society needs to change.

Sillysausage I havn't watched any of these programs you speak of? Mainly because they are full of lies.

I speak for all the working families who cannot afford to have more than 2 children because we have to pay for EVERYTHING

Do I feel sorry because your Housing Benefit falls £200 short of the £900 rent you have to pay... do I fuck? Go on then all you people that want to spear me for that do it! I work a 60 Hour week to pay for my 2 bed flat for £900 a month.

I know several people who have been gifted council properties with all their rent paid etc etc because they are single parents... I see it with my own eyes!! My DH's cousin just got given a 3 bedroom house rent all paid for her and her daughter whilst they go on lavish holidays with her long term bf who has just bought a brand new supercar with his wages because they arn't stuipid enough to say that they live together... and trust me there are plenty of people that do it!... whilst my DSIL lives with her DH DS and soon to be 2nd DC with NO HELP not because they havn't asked but because she is married and privately rent... The council wont give them anything.

Yes most single parents work and are in poverty... but what about all the non single parents that work that are also in poverty!... The whole system is broken and needs to be remade... but it cannot be a bad thing stopping people that cant afford to have more children from having any!

Sorry but i refuse to fight the corner for someone crying their benefits wont cover their next child... if you can't afford a child then double up on the contraception... there really is no excuse

That is fraud then the reason your DH cousin is able to live a lap of luxury and not because they are a single parent being thrown money by the govt which you said. You said single parents are being thrown money by the govt. This is not true.

Confused- I also work 40 hours a week plus an hours commute each day if that dig was at me! I have worked since Dd was 3 months old and never had a break from work. My outgoings still come to way more than my incoming, I get no maintenance. I'm not advocating more benefits never was but the system is unrealistic.

The government doesn't throw money at single parents at all in fact quite the opposite

Well done Silly send a link to a biased website... i talk from my own experiences not from whats put on websites.

Coverup your attitude is completely right... there needs to be something in place to top up wages of people who work to make it far more attractive to work.. i've had to save £7000 to have my first child and even then i'll be back at work after 6 months and family will be helping with childcare as me and DH both work full time and we are entitled to nothing even though like you we don't have amazing wages... after paying our bills we have at most £50 a month spare which is nothing in the grand scheme of things!

Tax credits have only been going since 2003 anyhow, didn't get them at all when DC was younger. The issue is the cost of living is forever rising which means everyone struggles, house prices are so extortionate lots of people don't stand a chance but yet pay more rent than a mortgage would cost but no chance to save a deposit. My mothers house is worth 3 times what she paid for it 12 years ago and she hasn't extended it or done anything amazing.

I don't think a 'number' has been done on me. I don't think the country's full of people having children just to claim an extra few pence. I know living in poverty is awful because I grew up with it. But I cannot understand why anyone living in those circumstances would want another baby. And it's disingenuous to suggest they're all due to abuse or contraceptive failures.

I also think it's unfair to tell those living just above the threshold who are working long hours and stopping at 2 that all a 3rd to them would mean is a small tightening of belts. There are thousands of families up and down the country who now have a 5yr gap between their 2 children because they literally couldn't afford childcare for both so needed to wait until the first was at school. Not that they'd need to cut back on holidays, that they physically were not bringing in enough money to cover both. But of course, these families are all like 'Richard' and have connections that can offer internships to their kids. The comic strip is just simplistic crap.
As for children like Paula never having books. It is a matter of priorities. Before I'm jumped on I'm not talking about a toss up between books and food or books and paying the leccy. I'm taking about prioritising books over the plastic tat. Books are what I was given as a child every birthday and every Christmas. Often second hand from the church fete.and I'm very thankful for it because it was my ticket out.

And absolutely, there's a large number of families living in dire poverty being moved from one hostel to another by the council. I know that. I'm not someone who thinks all those on benefits are living it up with their 50 inch tv. But in those shit circumstances I cannot fathom not being almost obsessive about contraception.