Child tax credit is it true ?

[Coreynkayden]

Iv seen people sharing things about no money will be giving to families that are expecting there 3rd child after today does anybody know if this is true ?? I understand price cuts to help but i dnt see how me and my kids are going to suvive on the money i get wen my baby is here we only jst manage now :(

DH and I are professional, I work pt. we have twins. I would love to have another baby but we can't afford it so you know, we don't.

Well, anyway, OP won't be getting money for her third child.

Can we help you with a budget, OP?

Yes, it's true OP.
It seems like as usual the "don't have em if you can't afford them" lot have appeared.

Those above with little empathy can you answer some questions

What do you think should happen to the children in poverty because of the cuts to welfare? Because from your comments you don't seem to have the answer apart from agreeing to stop funding them

Are you not ashamed of yourselves? Would your parents be proud of your views?

I'm glad my grown dc don't think like this as I'd be well ashamed of them.

gillybeanz how about don't have children you can't afford and perhaps if not in employment, go and find a job? Tax credits are a relatively new thing and generations survived without them. My parents raised my brother and I without state handouts so I doubt they would be ashamed of my views,

Would our parents be proud of our views?

You know Mumsnet isn't a site for teenagers?

To try to address your question, gilly, I feel that a system which awards money per child rather than per household is misguided and bloated. When earning £25,000 a year, no one is inclined to berate the company should someone become pregnant with a child they will struggle to raise and so it is with benefits.

These changes have been publicised; I accept that OP missed them but nonetheless that isn't really anything anybody else can take responsibility for.

@gillybeanz

Existing children in poverty will not be affected. Many months notice has been given on this.

The answer is stop having children if you cannot afford to pay for them. Same as working people have to do, including PPs on this thread who would like more children but cannot afford them. Are people living on benefits more entitled to have more than 2 children than those working but not in a financial position to provide for more than 2?

I don't know a single person who disagrees with the new cap. It's a very sensible and obvious solution.

On the one hand I agree as we didn't have a third child as couldn't afford it. It's trying to make it more equitable do families not working have similar choices to those working. Why should it be affordable to have more than 2 if you're on benefits bit not if you don't get any benefits?
But on the other hand I don't agree with making the poor poorer and children who didn't ask to be born suffer.

Also It seems like as usual the "don't have em if you can't afford them" lot have appeared.

Indeed! Who believes you should have multiple children that you cannot afford, especially if you are already struggling? Is it not just bog standard common sense?

I don't agree with making the poor poorer and children who didn't ask to be born suffer.

I agree, children already born should not suffer, and they will not. Existing children are not being capped.

The responsibility is with the adults who choose to continue to have children who didn't ask to be born suffer.

Should this county continue to pay out for families having 3, 4, 5 children and cannot afford them?

I'm still waiting for the answer, thread after thread it never comes
If wages were good enough parents could choose whether to work or not.
The gov couldn't give a shit about children, they believe they are better off palmed off in sub standard care and will support this rather than support a parent who wants to parent. Not saying all childcare is sub standard btw, but there are plenty out there.
And of course there's no substitute for a parent when dc are little.
But the brain washing has you all believing they are better off in childcare than with a parent and this is sad.
They should support all choices as in the past 20/30 years.

I'm sorry this is happening it isn't fair.

Reow

People on benefits ARE WORKING, why would you think they weren't?

If wages were good enough. All wages are not equal. Some are "good enough" to raise large families on, and some aren't.

We make our choices and we cut our cloth.

🙄 oh dear

Reow- no, I don't theye should continue to support large families. I think people should only have the children they can afford without relying on benefits. I don't know much about what's in place though to enable people to go to work. It's a nice idea that parents would be at home with their children but what about those who don't have this luxury? My dc were both in childcare from very young age and we couldn't afford more than 2. We could have left our jobs and gone on benefits so been there for the dc and even had more but preferred not to.
I think that support should go to families who can't work or are carers.

I thought from this thread that the cap only applies to those not working.

What do you think should happen @gillybeanz?

Do you think child tax credits and child benefit should never be capped, enabling people with more than 3 or 4 children to have an income higher than those working hard for 50 hours a week with 1 or 2 children?

Or do you think people should only have the number of children they can financially support?

I massively sympathise if both parents are working low paid jobs and receiving benefits to top up their low wages. If they only have 1 or 2 children.

I do not sympathise with people who do not work, yet go on to have multiple children paid for by the tax payer, while other working families (on or off benefits) have only 1 child but would like more, because they are sensible.

How should the government discourage families with no working parents to stop having more children than is responsible?

Reow sums up what I'm trying to say.

I think families should be supported under a certain threshold as they have done for the past 30 years.
No child deserves to be brought up in poverty.

Anyway, off to work now but will come back later.

I think that support should go to families who can't work or are carers.

@Hercules12 I absolutely agree.

I also agree that there should be far more support regarding childcare funding and options for parents who would like to work but can't.

But if you are either not working at all, have no intention of working, cannot afford another child, then I do not agree that you should be supported by the tax payer.

How much are child tax credits worth? Must be a fair amount if there's this much fuss! Glad they're being capped it, will even things up a bit.

Reow sums it up!

Gillybeanz- buy whose responsibility should that be? The parents or the state? When families who can't work, or adults with no children who can't work,have their needs met sufficiently then maybe consideration can be given to those who choose to have lots of children and not work.

No child deserves to be brought up in poverty.

I completely agree with you. So why have them if you know they are going to be brought up in poverty? Will this not discourage people from having more children than is sensible/affordable?

I know there are a lot of families with 2 kids on low wages and working hard, who deserve and need a bit of additional support. I agree with you.

There are also a lot of large households that continue to have children when neither parent is working at all.

I don't want to tar everyone with the same brush. To sum up it seems like a small percentage of cheeky feckless freeloaders have ruined things for some very hardworking but struggling families.

Avocado , adults also have or had people they refer to as their parents. That doesn't mean they are teenagers.