shock at the drinking in pregnancy thread

[alle01]

i have been reading for the last couple of days, and posted a couple of times in this thread. i found shocking that people encourage pregnant women to drink, based on the evidence that they did and nothing happened to them, and there is no research that probes this is a risky behaviour.
well, there isn't research because it would be unethical to do research that may put at risk unborn children, but there is plenty of research that probes that alcohol is damaging in adults, and children cannot really process it until at least 17/18 yo, plenty of cases of alcohol poisoning in young adolescents as well, it is also known that the placenta does not filter alcohol, among other substances.
i would like to know what kind of benefit it is suppose to bring to the pregnancy and baby, that is so worth it, and what the difference is with people that say they smoke because the anxiety of no smoking is more damaging to the baby than the nicotine itself, or any other drug, cocaine maybe...
what is the choice, do what you can to ensure you have a healthy baby, or indulge yourself for five minutes?

last time i checked mumsnet is a place to discuss issues/topics.

telling anyone to fuck off or labelling them a cow because you don't like their point of view is pretty pathetic.

don't take part if you can't stop yourself being abusive.

What was your score out of interest?

why not start a new thread with your genius scoring technique... spread the love.

Slushy I think your getting a little personal calling people judgemental cows. Your post certainly came across as agressive and their is no need for that, I think we can all agree we are all members on here because we actually want the best for our babies.

PS my score was zero! What was yours out of interest?

maybe i could come up with a cow-o-meter and you could place yourself on there. it'd be much much moo-re interesting.

Actually I don't believe anyone should be judged unless they are being abusive to their children, so no I won't re-post this because I really don't want to judge, have just used this to point out that some women on the smoking thread said that women who smoke in pregnancy don't give a shit about their baby and will put coke in their bottle if they take the risk of smoking.

This thread is also judging women who have the odd drink to be bad well I just wanted to point out that everyone sits down and calculates their own risk levels. So don't judge others as being selfish or a bad mum for their choices unless you are going to sit down and look at every choice they made.

Come on now, we are all about to become mothers, can we not set an example for our unborn children?

Slushy - I see your score, missed it the first time i read through your post.

I already said 8 for smoking 3 fags in pregnancy. However I was actually unaware of how much risk it posed as I was only told there was a small chance it would give me a slightly smaller baby. Ok calling people cows and saying fuck off was out of line but on a similar thread I was told I should be shot, and that I don't give a shit about my baby and that my children were the ones that everyone dreaded their children playing with, because I would care enough to discipline them . So I am over sensitive and over aggressive on this sort of subject I apologise.

have i judged you or anyone else on this thread? have i told anyone to fuck off? labelled their opinion bullshit? (hmm SGB)

er, no.

yet you've judged me as being 'a judgemental cow'. how so? because i think light/moderate drinking in pregnancy is inadvisable?

look in the mirror, dear.

My mother cut down on smoking when she found out she was pregnant with me, the risks where stunted growth breathing problems etc etc.

At 25 yrs old im 5ft10, never had any breathing problems, so while there are risks sometimes we are fortunate enough to not have them play a part in our childs lifes, but like you say they are risks none the less.

completely agree with Alley01, your only pregnant for nine months, which in reality is a very short time. If you can?t stop drinking, eating brie etc or smoking for that amount of time and are happy to put your child at risk, think this is a rather selfish self-centred attitude.

So if medical advice is telling me not to drink, not to eat Brie etc and I feel like going against medical advice I would not be asking mumsnet what to do (as been on this site for a couple of days now seem quite a few of the posts and there is a serious lack of medical knowledge) I would actually go and either ask my midwife or do some proper research.

I mean posts like :
'f you are:
Travelling in a car, bus or train
Having sex
Eating foods containing preservatives
Using deodorant, shampoo or cosmetics
Working in a building with a Wi-Fi connection
Using or carrying a mobile phone'
Then some people might consider that you are taking unnecessary risks with your pregnancy'

are just ignorant, this isn?t a philosophical question it's a medical one

And c?mon 'I?m not a walking incubator'

this thread has just annoyed me..

Blinks First;y it was not to you but the op and secondly I have said I am sorry for posting the comments.

our posts were second apart slushy. i accept your apology.

Ok blinks can we be friends now? I know you did not judge me I was venting my venom left from the other thread. As you can see from my posts and aggressive manor I feel very guilty and upset about smoking while pg. So when a post comes up it really does make me feel like scum and the worst mum in the world so I lash out yet another flaw to add to smoking in pg and scummy mummy who put her addiction first eh.

Tribunalgoer, Im interested to see this research that shows drinking moderately is beneficial to the health of the baby could you please post the link to this.

actually the research i think you're referring too, tribunalgoer was mis-reported.

there's an article about it here

Iona and her sanctimonious view of our "selfish self-centred attitude".
I don't consider my choices to be self centred or selfish. i made them after great consideration.
Have you actually read the thread Iona.
Have you read theat the chances of listeria are very very slim. even Op admitted she thought it was much higher thna it was.

People not wearing nailpolish or not eating strawberries. lots of people do this in pg, you know. It is so OTT. we are scaring eachother witness. not helped by the likes of Iona and OP.

I had a very occassional glass of wine. and some brie.
Statistically more cases of campylobacter, and other listeria , food posisoning type things from a tescos/any supermarket chicken sandwich, than there is any thing esle.

and you point about not driving and not doing .... is not valid. they are risks. There is more chance of you being knocked over by a bus, or having a car crash. at any time. also whilst pg, than there is of getting these other 'pregnancy risks'. if you use some common sense that is.

Lulabel I'm not sure if anyone has already said this or if you're still reading this thread but I thought that quinine in tonic water was abortive???? Worth checking out before that G&T.

I am very sorry you had a miscarriage.

Is the medical advice not to drink in pregnancy at all then ?

Those french. eating brie and drinking wine. naughty they are, aren't they. why don't they go along witht he UK very stringent guidelines.

or are these offical guidelines. or are they just created by the likes of Iona and Op to scare women / make them miserable ?

what are they again ???? :
no strawberries
no is it asparagus ?
no nail varnish
no hair dye
no ........

any other scare stories. please add tot he list.

@obliomov WHY may i ask is quoting and following NHS medical advice ME being sanctimoniouse and scaring people? and i have to say that i am still very happy during my pregnancy even though i'm not drinking or eating Brie...

i think you'd be hard pushed to find advice on any proffessional medical sites advicing you not to eat straberries, asparagus etc.

All i was saying was that a little time spent doing some research on the risks of drinking, eating brie, pate etc would be more practical that listing some pointless justification like the french eat Bri and drink during pregnancy! realy helpful comment when we're actually dicussing a medical question.

When we're doing this amazing making up our own minds - isn't researching and thinking and discussing often part of that? And if you're hunting round for information and opinions, wouldn't you usually expect to be able to read a wide range of opinions and then make up your own mind?

Why are people who say "well I wouldn't" or "I'm surprised at people who do" [drink in pregnancy] being told they're judgemental and basically that they should go away and not interfere? Why are their opinions so much less worthy of a bit of Mumsnet-space than the opinions of the people who are happy to drink?

At the end of the day a polite "I'm surprised you think that - I strongly disagree!" is a perfectly good response that can be used in either direction and doesn't need extra insults as well. I don't think one side deserves accusations of being judgemental and interfering more than the other.

Personally I would rather read ALL opinions - not just those of the people who think drinking's fine. If the people who are secretly thinking "I wouldn't do it" don't get to speak because they're afraid of being shouted down as judgemental, then no one knows they exist, and it gives an illusion of a consensus that may not be real.