Dec 08 Ladies welcome to the new Bean, next stop, Summer.

[Veggiemummy]

Sorry very boring had to think quickly, not my best feature

Am really sorry I totally failed to catch up. We're now on our way now and DH and I have already fallen out as when we stopped for petrol I didn't quite have the car in the right place (was really busy and had to fill up at pump on the wrong side). I was just about to move the car when he jumped into driving seat and started moving car leaving me standing on forecourt looking like pathetic specimen. This is after him bossing me about all morning. Think he's struggling to adjust to not being at work (and god help his team if this what he's like). Anyway rant over. Summer I will be trying to check in to hear your news. Hope you get the birth you want. Have a lovely couple of weeks. Xx

Pubes - we had same thing with DD2 at about the same stage with the wanting to feed all the time. I asked HV about it and she said it was to get the milk flow going really well and she might not be getting enough, but the constant feeding will up your supply so she is. DD2 has no stop button and eats til she's sick all the time. Most annoying! Such a waste of all my effort to produce!

Plus my nips killed whenever she latched on for about a week. Really really sore and it wasn't that she didn't have it right, it was just unfortunate that they weren't as tough as I thought. Do stick with it if you want to keep BFing as it gets better, but if you're ambivalent, and the pain is really unbearable, then guess it might not be worth it!

Glad your DH is being a star.

I am starving. Feel a brioche coming on...

Thanks Beans. She has strangely settled this morning and has now been asleep since I fed her at about 0915-30 so am going to wake her for a feed (should be illegal) I have tried to express but only got 1oz however will hopefully add to that later and will feed off the other side now. M/W hasn't showed yet. I hate that they won't give a time they are coming
I don't get that hungry thing that everyone gets when BF - didn't last time and didn't this time. Perhaps that's why I feel the supply is not enough. I will force some carbtastic food down me. I think there is some carbonara left from db's dp's cooking

Evening ladies. I'm feeling a bit better today. I think I needed some sunshine. I think part of my slump is to do with last winter being such a trial stuck at home so much with DS2 & the snow whenever I am forced to stay in with bad weather it puts me in a mood. Also I know it's only august but I can already feel us steadily speeding towards winter & it terrifies me, I really do think I can only handle one more winter in this hemisphere. Such a shame as the summers are great. I think that's why I go out so much I need to stay busy. Your right Beans it can be hard just talking to little people all day. I think that's why I get out so much. Don't get me wrong I love being a SAHM but like any job there are annoying bits to it too. Anyhoo we had a lovely day, I introduced DH to a lovely canalside cafe in a big Rose garden park & then we went to the beach. Then stopped at a park on the way home & ran into a friend so that was nice.

DH took DS1 roxkclimbing yesterday & he loved it. It's nice as they get older & start doing things (we can make them do) the things we like.

Beans that is wonderful news on the rolling baby, well done P! What a clever & clearly advanced child it funny with 2nd child, they get half (or less) the time put into their developmental stuff than the first but they do stuff at pretty much the same rate. Also with the first we seem to be waiting for them to do stuff but with the 2nd they just do it and we get such a surprise!

Lady hope the dietician is helpful, your next few days sound exhausting. I actually would really love to come see you but our plans are do up in the air at the moment I don't want to plan and then change and mess you about.

However, speaking of meeting up, we are coming over on the weekend of the 28th August. Would anyone be around for a meetup on the Monday, it's the 30th August?

Veggie: is that the bank holiday? I'd be up for coming into Lunnon but the trains may not cooperate...

Rubes: are you getting stabby pains or general soreness? Any chance it could be thrush?

Oi, Summer! Any signs?

Right, this isn't going to be a long post cos of typing on phone being a nuisance, but frustrating as the dietician was really interesting today and I feel like I have got some interesting pointers which I will share at a later date, in case anyone comes up against the same. However, it could take years to get O back on track. Ho hum! At least the dietician told me not to blame myself. I still do anyway, but good to be told. Veg, I'm sorry you were blue. I do tend to agree with Beans that lack of adult company, excluding other halves, can mess with the head. It does with mine. If you're around on Saturday after all, try me on spec. You won't be messing me around. Rubes, sorry also you feel a bit low with the departure of the rellies. I know it's tough with the folks far away, I reall feel for you. Well, you know we are all cheering you on. Avo, thanks so much for the offer of a visit. I would adore to see you but DP's flat is so cluttered and now with stuff I am trying to pack. Would love to see you somehow though. May well be in London end of Aug. I don't think my London friends mean to be crap, everyone is busy and I guess take it for granted that I initiate everything. Anyway...thanks also to ZJ for the scarf trick, which sounds neat! I know everyone else's babes were walking yonks ago but it's a real novelty for me. She is a cheeky little wotsit though. On the train this morn, a bloke and his teenage son were snoozing in an adjacent seat. DD yelled "Oi! OI! NIGHT NIGHT!" I don't know where Oi has come from. She's been saying it all day. Anyway, Beans - that rolling seems v advanced! Wow. I will give your regards to Bruxelles, Invis. We will all scoff frites in your honour. Night all, I will be lurking.

I think she must have got the "oi" from Effie. LT

V intrigued about the dietician, look forward to hearing about it. That sounds quite full-on if they're talking years to fix it, though. Wowsers.

Glad you're a bit brighter, Veggie, I know what you mean about the weather, though. Is there a master plan to move back soon?

Rubes, I'm glad things ok, and though it's sad you're feeling a bit empty nesty about the family leaving, I'm so pleased that it worked out ok in the end, I remember how anxious you were feeling beforehand. How much more Paternity Leave does your DH have left?

Beans, that's great about the rolling over, she must be vv advanced..

Urbane, sorry about rubbish start to hol, hope it improves from now on!

Summer, are you there? Is anything happening???

I've been feeling the baby move quite a bit today, still got quite a small bump (well, it would look bigger if my knockers weren't so big) ZJ, I'm due NYE, so might still be this year! 20 week scan a week tomorrow, am actually getting quite excited now, and am a bit that it's taken this long.

T is in teethy tastic mode atm, he's barely eating and being a pita arse day and night. I know he's in pain and feel guilty for being so harsh but lordy it's hard work!

Seeing another place tomorrow, it's a flat that's the same price as a house and way over our budget but want to see anyway. Was anyone just watching Location x 3? I can't believe people were paying over 600 K for a flat in Edinburgh. Sure, they were nice and all, but who has that kind of money?

20 weeks Spot - it only feels like 20 minutes since you keeled over in shock at your BFP. This year is just flying. And I agree with Veggie that the end of summer seems too near - DH were having the same conversation the other day as suddenly berries on the trees are turning red and this morning there was a real nip in the air , but I do always get excited about getting my cosy jumpers and big boots out - much more so than summer clothes.

Wow at rolling Beans, that is astonishing. Was she pleased with herself, or surprised?

LadyT the appointment sounds brill, how great that you've got some proper advice (rather than all of us throwing ever wilder ideas in your direction)

Right, wish me luck for the train journey tomorrow - and double the luck for patience with my SIL this weekend!

Well the M/W stayed all of 10 minutes (no joke) and did a quick weigh. She has gained a little bit (normal 5 day amount apparently) and is not too far off the birth weight which is good and at least meaning she is getting enough from me. I managed to express for the late feed tonight and told her about the hurty part which she reckons is not a problem that a bit of Lanisoh [sp] cream won't fix so I'm using that now and hopefully it'll be ok. It's not a stabbing pain no - just a latching on pain I think.
Anyway, she has discharged dd and is just going to give me a call after the Health visitor comes next week and check her very slight jaundice is in check.
Spot thanks, yeah it worked out well. Bit sad when they left but feeling a bit better now. mil came over and cooked dinner and brought more toys for ds plus did his bath and all that so all is well.
Lady, glad the dietitian went well, and let us know when you can about the tips she has and what she said.
Summer - are you at the hospital yet? If so I expect a full post from the ward after you have he/she

Hey Rubs, I wish I could check you latch as it may be something like that causing the pain, or as Beans said it may settle after the week. If it's one boob on particular start on that boob each feed for now. However, I'm sure you'll be fine. It isn't a given that you should get it right 2nd time because you did first time. I had pain for about 3 weeks when DS2 was first feeding.

Well operation 'no night feed' is going well & for now DH & I are both going in together to settle him at 10-11 o'clock and settle him together if he wakes overnight. Tomorrow night DH is going to settle him by himself. He is also wanting to settle him to bed without me. The only prob we've got is he's bot fussed on normal milk. I might take a leaf out of Kiwi's book and give him oatmilk. Bless him considering he is such a fiery screamy thing he gives up pretty easily. He literally screams for a minute then I give him a cuddle and lays back and just settles back to sleep while we pat him and sing 'lullaby' to him.

Veggie could you and your DH cone settle my screamy pants. I have been up since 3.45 with him.

Spot crikey 20wks already.

Lady have a super time in Brussels. Would be really interested to hear what the dietician said.

Indith how is your sleeping going is DD bette now she is not feeding at night.

Summer hope you are contracting or getting in some good zzzzzz before the litlie arrives.

God how ridiculous is this am watching bloody WALLE at 5 in the freaking morning. Grrrrrrr.

Jam: it was 4.30 for us. Gave up and brought him into bed. After probs with the heat I think he's now getting cold,esp as he kicked off his sleeping bag (up to 36 months from Mothercare).

Spot: how was your night? Poor T. Have a good nose round the flat.

We had my parents staying (well, ina local b&b) and it was good - the boys loved spending the day with them and it was far less stressful than when they stay with us. Will be promoting this idea for future visits!

Veggie: hope the no-feed plan went well last night. Glad to hear you're feeling a bit brighter. I know we say this a lot, but you really are an inspiration - dodging about the globe with your amazing boys and super duper parenting skills. Your DS1 sounds such a lovely boy, which is entirely down to you and your DH.

Childminder cancelled. Need to go home again - what a waste of two hours! Grrrr.

Oh dear, sorry to hear you had bad nights Jam and Effie. I hope you have both got lots of coffee in you now.

Glad to hear the night weaning is going well Veg. Does he still feed much in the day?

Good luck on the train ZJ! And have a nice trip.

I'm really interested to hear what the dietician said LadyT. I'm so glad that it was a positive experience.

Rubes, Lanisol is great stuff, and Beans us right that the constant feeding will stimulate supply. Might expressing be making your nips sore? I never really got on with expressing as it slighy hurt, I never got much milk out despite clearly having enough to grow too big girls, and I found the whole process too much of a faff. As a result my girls often partook in a little cheerfullness!

Well DD2 may be being easier but DD1 is driving me a bit potty. They are like see-saw sisters - if one is going through a good phase the other makes every effort to be bad. DD1 won't go to sleep at night. We put her to bed at 7.30ish and she can be heard playing in her room until 9.30-10. As a result she is knackered and tearful during the day. She cries at the drop of a hat and it drives me mad. She also keeps talking in a baby voice which I can't stand. Finally I found out yesterday why I never have money in my purse. DD1 keeps sneaking all the coins out and when we leave the house she quietly, and deliberatly, deposits said coins in the gutter! This stems from her obsession with the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory film (1980s version). Charlie finds a coin in the gutter and can finally afford a Wonka bar. DD1 wants to "help al the starving children" by making sure the gutters are overflowing. After I realised this yesterday I found £6.40 in the gutter between here and our corner shop.

Oh and Summer, I now have a theory that you won't pop until this thread is full and a new title found. The current title anticipates your baby and it would be too neat for it to arrive in this thread.

Hi all, nipping on with another 'me' post I'm afraid. The Summer holidays are really taking it out of me and I find I have no time for anything other than keeping the DC's entertained.
Had an early scan yeterday and there was a tiny heartbeat, and only one so that was a huge relief. I will be 9 weeks tomorrow. Told the DC's last night and DS is over the moon and asking all sorts of questions, DD not really sure what I'm on about but keeps pointing to my tummy and exclaiming 'Bebe'. Due date is 12th March, but as expected the will give me a C-section at 38 weeks, so more likely to be end of Feb, it seems ridiculously soon and not sure I will have got my head around it by then!
Huge congratulations to Rubes (can't remember if I have already said that) and also to Lady and O for the walking. Can't remember any more than that with my pregnancy addled and sleep deprived brain I'm afraid. Love to all.

And this thread is nearly over....

DD2 rolled for her daddy this morning too, so it's really not a one off - how exciting! She didn't look at all surprised, just like it was a normal thing to do!

I've got such a boring day today - no one to play with. Sob. Never mind. Pru got 6 week check this pm. Am interested to see how much she weighs as is quite big. But I hate our clinic for weighing - it's hellish. They've tried to over organise it with 3 different waiting areas. Crap. So I won't be going there with DD2.

Mmm, coffee and toast.

DH has organised a 6 a side cricket match tmw with 3 teams and I'm doing the picnic for 10. Luckily a couple of friends have offered to help, so have got them doing brownies and sausage rolls. I am doing greek salad, pizza, hot dogs and strawberries. Nice and easy!

Someone needs to think of a new thread title!

Avo: that's really sweet, if annoying. Sleep - no idea. I threaten to remove toys if I hear DS1 messing about - would that work? Or maybe bed a little earlier , half hour to play then lights out and sleep?

Clearly I cant offer any advice on sleeping.

Rubes have had a thought about your boobs and the soreness and the expressing. I know you can as i expressed fairly early with DS's but they do reccommend that you hang on until 6wks before starting to express. Maybe your nips are just a bit knackered as the sucking action from the expresser is different to that of the baby. I defo found it painful sometimes. Have a look at www.kellymom.com they have some super advice on breast feeding.

AVO that is lovely but rather annoying of DD1 with her Willie wonka thing.

beans - i realised i never said how sorry i was to hear of your accident. 7 years ago i knocked over a motorcyclist - it was bright sunshine, he was coming towards me, i should have seen him, it was just one of those things. i shook and shook for hours afterwards. and was in real hysteria. so i can empathise. sounds like you handled it really well and i hope the cyclist is ok and that you and the girls are ok. and as for the rolling pru - i can't believe it - wow, how developed. it took nearly 6 months for madam to do it and then under duress.

hope SL is having a lovely sleep/contractions, too.

sorry to hear about all those non-sleeping babies/children. we are in a fabulous patch (note, i say patch, as i'm not counting my chickens) for sleep at the mo, so won't gloat, but as you all know from this time last year, i can sympathise.

we are off to featherdown farms near corfe castle today. actually v excited, even though am somewhat of a camping novice (alright, i know it's not real camping). the only other camping i've done was in the andes on the inca trail where some poor peruvian man carried my rucksack, put my tent up and cooked me food. as i said, i am a camping novice...

katie - glad you got to see a heartbeat. and only one. we have our 12 week scan in a week and a half - have no reason to think anything bad has happened, but still not counting chickens (twice in one post) until then. due around 25th feb at the mo.

right, off to lead this mum and baby/toddler singing group. must look cheery. must look cheery...

lovely weekends to all.

oh it's so lovely to hear about all the up-the-duffery on here. Hurray hurrah! More babies to get excited about all the time - yip yip!

Re the rolling pebble - I can guarantee that if she's anything like her older sister, she will stop rolling at about 12 weeks and not be able to do it again til she's 9 months old!!!

Gosh, Jam I didn't know about not expressing til they're 6 weeks! Seems a bit mean on mums who then have to do every feed, regardless of how knackered we are! But I guess I can understand.

DD2 did miraculous kipping last night. I dream fed her at 11.30 from the boob. She kind of just had a 5 minute sip really. Then she slept til 5am and had another 5 minute sip. Then up at 7am. Absolutely astonishing. I was chuffed to bits!

Anyhoo, am off to assist DD1 with a poo. Oh yes, she still has the constipation. Off to doctor for it on Monday. It's so horrid for her having to strain so much. And think I've got another the same - DD2 only does a poo about every 2-3 days!

Well that's the last time I tell you ladies things are going well with operation stop night feed. Before we started DS2 would have a feed at 10pm ish then sleep through. On the occasional night he would wake wanting a feed at 5am but that is maybe 2 nights a week. Now we are not letting him have the 10pm feed and last night he woke at 10, 11, unsettled until 12. Then woke at 2, 4 & 5.40am at which point I fed him as I figured it was pretty much his morning feed which I've decided should be no earlier than 6 (what 20 mins when your sleep deprived). Now I'm not sure I've done the right thing. I was thinking of just letting nature take it's course & let him drop the 10pm feed as I did with DS1 but he did it at around 18 months. Obv DS2 is a different child and I maybe should have waited. But I feel we've started now & DH is really keen to keep it up so that he can eventually put DS2 to bed. I think we should keep at it but I do feel a bit that we've shot ourselves in the foot. We had a good sleeper & now we've made an unsettled sleeper. Right time for coffee no. 2.

Oh & Beans sorry but it's best by to express before 6 weeks as it confuses your boobs. It can cause some of the cluster feeding, though that is also something that happens around growth spurts too. Basically Pru needs to let your boobs know how much she needs and to get into a rhythm. Obviously her needs are continuously changing but in the first 6 weeks it can take a bit longer for your boobs to catch up to changes. After the 6 weeks your boobs & her are quite in tune so any changes are easy to adjust to and skipping a feed or expressing don't effect the supply so much. Does that make sense. At the end of the day it's up to you what you do it's not a law that if you break the BF police will come & get you. It's just a way to help get you two in sync with each other and increase your chances of success. She's still getting all she needs. The big problem with expressing is it only sucks on your boob so doesn't properly stimulate supply, whereas she sucks & compresses so gets everything she needs put of you.

Sorry that should have been best not to express before 6 weeks.

Avo that is quite funny about the Money, I wonder how much you've lost!? Also I'm feeling quite responsible for lightenings being overdue. What should we have as our next title? 'lightening strikes'?