Dec 08 Ladies welcome to the new Bean, next stop, Summer.

[Veggiemummy]

Sorry very boring had to think quickly, not my best feature

weirdest thing. dd sleeps on a positioner thing in a moses basket but if she cries and I carry the whole thing to our bed instead (her on positioner not Moses basket) she instantly stops and goes to sleep I bet she can just smell me from the bed

Ooh, Kiwi, tell me your reservations about soya. I used to eat a lot of it as a teen when it was all the rage for veggies, less so now though I do like regular soya beans. I like the taste of soya milk (strange girl) but only have it rarely. Is it the genetically modified element of the soya bean crop? I agree it's a worry.

DD sleeps in a grobag still but she is such a midge she's got ages in it yet. Aaargh, I didn't realise they stopped doing them after a certain age!

WG, that's hard with the MIL. I would find that v grating. Glad the cricket went off well.

Rubes, it was so easy to come and see you from Reading but this time we couldn't work it as you will have your DD in your other car seat. If you could manage a trip into Reading when you are MUCH stronger, what do you reckon? Could you get a lift with DH? I am a bit worried about you getting proper rest though - totally agree with Beans. I have wished for the millionth time I could drive as I could whizz over and see you or take your DS out.

Beans, I am going to save your Bath Solution and put it somewhere for later in the year.

Great to see you back, Veggie. Will miss you at the weekend! Another time I hope, as I have a mate who lives in Antwerp.

Right, that sleep expert prog is on Channel 4. Looks frightening/like a must watch at the same time.

Fear not sleeping bag users. I have several designed for 18months-4years. I have just moved DD2 into that size and she has loads of space to grow into. Maybe even a foot! They are from JojoMamanBebe which you can order online.

I am going to stop trying to push my Phil and Teds on all you 2nd timers BUT if anyone ever needs one please tell me. Seriously, it's there for the asking.

Hurrah, thanks Avo. Sodding tv signal has abruptly disappeared in the village so that programme, which I was enjoying, has vanished

Hey, I was only joking about you three who will have kids in consecutive years at school being thought rabid shaggers I only missed it myself by 3 or 4 wks...

was going to say I'm sure gro-bag do a bigger size than the 6-18 month size as well, my DS is still in 6-18 months at the moment, but maybe all you lot are using the bigger size already as my DS is a bit of a shortie.
Someone told me they are super expensive though (the gro-bag ones)

veggie I would LOVE you to birth my child for me. What a shame I can't take you up on that offer. Def gonna get some clary sage tomorrow.
We need to know more about your hols.

rubes long may the ass kissing continue as you are right he was being a dick. Enjoy last evening with DB, and take it EASY when he's gone (I agree with the others)

Where is this baby? In 2.5 hours it is my due date!

If you eat a fresh pineapple curry whilst having sex in a clary sage bath, you've still got time to go into labour tonight!

LadyT I have just realised I will have my boys in consecutive yrs! Rabid shaggers we are not. Oh and they will be in the same class as our village school is tiny they combine the yrs, 2 yr groups to one class.

Neither boy ever took to grobags but DS1 is ok with duvet where as DS2 kicks his off all the time. I have just invested in really warm PJ's or those footed big baby(toddler) grows. If he kicks the blankets off he is usually still warm enough.

Beans I think you are doing amazingly I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you, your just getting used to one then number 2 comes along. I would never have coped like you have. I think I'd have been in tears everyday.

Rubes i think it will be nice if your MIL comes again. At the very least she can entertain DS if he is needing attention after his cousins leave.

Cos the boys will be in the Montessori system they will for short time be in the same class despite being three years diff in age.

Lightening I'm assuming you are specifically wanting to know about the Tour . It was awesome we found a spot on the Tulleries right near where the Flamme Rouge was. They went around 9 times so saw all the big boys close up including Lance on his last lap in his last Tour. Was most excited when I managed to pick out Andy and some of the Aussie boys. Also on the Tulleries was a summer fair so the boys were entertained with rides & sugary treats. I have watched on the Champs which is good but would have been a nightmare with the boys. Can def recommend watching from the Tulleries, will be back there next year.

Lady and Beans I'm totally fine - yeah it would be handy if you drove Lady, but we can sort something out. The fam came back from their day quite tired so only a glass and a bit of cheerfulness all round. Not sure now if they are def going tomorrow night as there is talk of changing to Thurs, but don't know.
dd didn't sleep long after her feed so gave her the expressed milk early as she seemed starving. She downed 2 oz of that (not long after the feed before) and then finally settled
Anyway, best get some sleep now as who knows how long till she wakes, but she's had so much milk it can't possibly be soon !

Well, I hope it's just me that's awake! I bloody hate this waking up. It's almost always at 4.40 as well, it's freaky. I just inevitably end up ruminating about how cut off I feel and how it's going to get worse with two children, and how crap many of my old friends in London are (in that it's always me making a huge effort to see people), and how hard it's going to be to get back on the career ladder. I usually feel philosophical and positive about all these matters during the day but in the small hours it's such a killer.

Oh Lady poor you prego insomnia is the worst. I hope you have managed to eventually doze back off.

Very tired here. DS2 woke at 12.15 and didn't go back to sleep until 2. DS1 woke with the screaming at 1 then came into bed with us at 2.30 then went to sleep at 5. Then DS2 woke for the day at 5.45. .

v quick from me as haven't had time to catch up - sorry. But summer when i was sorting out stuff to pack for holdiay I found my clary sage (revealing of my complete disorganisation sun cream - check, oil to stimulate contractions - check). I have it with me today and have to call in at post office later so if you fb me your address I'll pop in the post. My initials are hm.

Will properly catch up before we go. Xx

Jam, I shouldn't moan, you had it far, far worse than me last night! You must be absolutely shattered. I hope you've got the coffee on. I seriously doubt I will cope with two kids. Oh, and your village school sounds like mine - the one over the road from the new house where both girls will be going only has 100 pupils and 4 classes, and it takes them up to age 11! So my two will probably spend a fair amount of time in the same class What are your thoughts about this? Initially I was a bit concerned about this pooling of the classes (at junior level, don't think it matters for infant) but it got an outstanding Ofsted, so I guess I shouldn't worry. Also, there's a pre-school which takes them from 2 so DD will go a bit next year and then probably do mornings from 3 so I will get the feel of it then.

We've still got no telly signal and DP was watching the film 'Dodgeball' before he left. I have just realised I find Vince Vaughn irresistibly attractive. I certainly didn't before. It's definitely the pregnancy hormones talking.

Pretty similar here too LADY. I was a bit unsure at first but the school gets outstanding at every ofsted and people from all the surrounding villages try to get their children in. So as far as we are concerned that can only be a good thing.

Any sleep deprived night is a pisser doesnt matter if its for half an hour or all night. I am currently mainlining full fat coke and the consequences are I am buzzing and we have already made a banana bread and are about to start on popcorn making then playdough. Am off to a friends this arvo so will put my feet up then and she can keep an eye on them.

I NEED RUBES ADDRESS, ANYONE?

I will fb it to you now. I was up between 4.40 and 6.30 though I must admit I then slept until 9 so I really shouldn't moan at all.

Cheers.

Urbane thanks but I just bought some! Shall try it out tonight.
Acupuncture a bit of a disaster as went all hot and clammy and nearly passed out so had to finish early. Weird as all the needles were in so it wasn't putting them in that did it or anything. Acupuncurist said it was because all the needles they put in bring things downwards and went on about chi and ying and yang. Mmmmm I dunno if it does anything at all! She was lovely though the acupuncturist. I have some little sticky things on places to massage as well so maybe it will do some good!
I am now relaxing in john lewis cafe. I will enjoy the calm before the storm

LadyT I was up at 5 so should have checked online! DD gave out a huge yell so we sighed and got ready to trudge to her room, then she went back to sleep for an hour. Bah! Of course we didn't...

Anyway re soy milk it's actually the estrogen I have reservations about - I don't think there's been enough research into long term use/ heavy use in babies (who seem, from what i understand, to have different reaction to it than adults) Having said that there are also no serious issues discovered but, well, again it's the precautionary principle isn't it?

Crikey Jam, your poor bugger. I'm making you an extra strong Veggiecoffee right now!

Lady 4.40am that's also quite evil. Your only consolation is at least after DD2 is born you will get more sleep. Also excitement on the movement front with O. My nephew is a month younger than our lot and has been quite reluctant to walk (it's been a bit of a competitive win as far as DH is concerned which I'm very at). My SIL got some supportive boots and he is walking around a lot better now. Hyperextending and very flexible limbs run in their family so I think that is why. Def not a bad thing and I was kind of hoping our boys would be as flexible but maybe not.

Avo thanks for sharing the nice happy N thing with us. It gives me hope that DS2 will also improve his mood and be a little less screamy. I can see a happy little man in their, but just that screaming is so hard to handle. Also I've begun operation no more night time feeds. He only wakes for a 11pm feed 3 nights out of 7 so clearly doesn't need it. Our neighbours are a bit noisy at that time of night and I think they wake him and he wants to feed back to sleep. So last night I said no. Much screaming and anger followed but eventually he settled and I sang him back to sleep (possibly tone deaf like his dad so he liked it). It's the same for early morning feeds only happens a couple of times a week so wondering if I can be motivated enough to cut them out?

Hi all

I had insomnia too last night, but can never be bothered to get out of bed to type! DD2 slept from 10.30 feed til 3.30am, then til 7. So it was a waste of a good night!

I've just had the most awful shock and am consumed by terrible guilt, even though it was a total accident. I shall explain...

Was just going to nip up to register DD1 at nursery round the corner, but then realised I had to get some food, so hopped in the car with them both as could then go on to supermarket. As was pulling up to this little junction near us there was a cyclist in front of me, Pru was screeching in the back of the car and I pressed the accelerator instead of the brake and went into the back of the bike. So so mortified. The poor girl I hit shot off the bike, but was ok. I leapt out of the car and apologised massively. She was absolutely sweet, if a little shaken - unsurprisingly. I'd bent her rear wheel, so gave her a lift home with bike in boot and my details so I can pay for the wheel. I feel so so bad as she then mentioned that her back was hurting a bit. I really hope I haven't hurt her in any way badly. I feel so awful and she was so nice. We even had a hug on the side of the road just after it had happened as weboth tried not to cry. Bloody awful.

Anyway, have registered DD1 at nursery to start on 5th October - thank goodness! And did my shopping. Then just burst into tears when I got home! I feel so guilty.

Oh my goodness Beans you poor thing that is just terrible. I'm sure she'll be fine. Probably just jarred her back or something. If she is walking and talking it can't be anything too bad. What a shock for both of you. Look everyone is ok these things happen, I've heard of much worse accidents from men being stupid and drink driving or road rage so a little slip of the foot when Pru startled you is nothing, & you did everything you could to make it right.

Oh and soya thing, I worry about the eostrogen too with the boys. They have done studies in adult males and found no problems, & my DH is testament to it not effecting fertility but I still worried with the boys esp as vegetarian women are 5 times more likely to have boys with hypospadius (unformed willy) than the normal population. However, having said that Ina May Gaskin swears by soya based proteins to reduce the incidence in pre-eclampsia. The other thing is apparently allergies to soya are just as prevalent as milk allergies, so swapping to soya may not always help for milk concerns. I'm gonna try oat milk though for mecas I don't like milk on my cereal, can you get it calcium enriched?

Oh, poor Beans. It's just one of those awful things that happens and driving with tiny ones in the car when you are tired must be so so hard. Listen, the lady can't be that badly hurt (is probably mainly horribly shocked like you) and look at it this way, if she has an injury, your insurance will sort it out. You have said sorry to her and I suggest you get those feet up pronto, have a nice cup of tea or coffee and get a friend to come round and bring you a nice cake or just sit with you a bit.

Veggie, it's strange with O pulling herself up on everything! She just wants to be on her feet ALL THE TIME or being walked around (still have to hold her with two hands). Also, when she bumshuffles now she absolutely races instead of the old sedate hops like a geriatric bunny, so I think she is finally alive to the joys of movement. It's very tiring but good to see. She will take a couple of steps between DP and I but is very wobbly.

Am getting slightly nervous about going to Belgium - had this funny lower down pain which I don't remember from last time Hoping it's ligamental.

Kiwi, you may have started an oat milk drought