Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

[Beans33]

Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

Come back soon Beans!! I have one eye on this and one eye on the game. Great to hear you sounding so chipper.

Oh Mom! I am crossing everything crossable for you, and also trying to cross some uncrossable things as well.....

Crikey cross postedb big time, hi Sybs.

Beans come back!!!! Pru leave your mother alone.

Oh oh oh little quiet hooray for Mom!

OK, MOM you have now reduced me to tears with your lovely news. A tentative congratulations to you and fingers crossed for you over the next few weeks.

Beans, you big teasy, don't leave me hanging. Does it end with having a baby?!

Oh & DS2 slept 2 hours today so so much for me being grizzly at the workmen next door.

Oh for the love of...these boys are driving me mad today!!! DS1 was crying sick this morning and he is a bit warm so kept him off school but he has been a right little monkey & DS2 just will not stop jumping up & down on the footstool thing, I just know he's going to come straight off on his head but I just can't stop him!!!! Aaaahhhhh. DH's train gets in in 1 hour thank goodness.

Hey Rubs did you hear Kevin Rudd is facing a leadership challenge, from a lady!

Goal!!!

If you see me on here again before tonight, get rid of me as I am SOOOOOOOO behind....

Sybs don't ruin the end of the story for me, I thought it might be a puppy!

. Now be off with you...and can you take my children with you?

Forgot to say that both positives so far were on internet cheapy tests, so I'm really worried that they are faulty. Won't believe it until I pull out the big Clearblue digital guns!

Best stop talking about myself and work so that I can get home and mnet properly.

Syb - You too re: work....get back to it!

Mom when I was having positives from the clearblue the Internet cheapies were saying negative so if anything I would say they are ok but just not as sensitive. A clear blue would be screaming 'your clackered love'.

MOM!! Brilliant news!! Get that clearblue goin! Very big hopeful congrats to you

I didn't hear that Vag - no lol

SummerL yeah the thing is they will be on their best behaviour. Cooking and all that. They did that last time anyway but especially will this time. I really want to get back to how things were with db and I. Today he was messenger-ing me like the old days and so it all sounds good.

Hi Sybs hope things calm down at work soon
HELLO Beans!!!!

Gah, the phone ate my post again! Just wanted to say Mom, that's grand news. Sending sticky vibes to you. You have some anxious weeks ahead, but keeping everything crossed that all will be well.

Hi WG and Mom what fantastic news, fingers, was obviously a busy month, what with you guys and JJ

Daisy I'm so sorry, I think I was one of the ones that said you should be patient with your DH, which is only right of course when someone is grieving, but not to the detriment of yourself. My own DH and I have been a bit mean to eachother and didnt get on well for a long while but we still both respected eachother enough not to belitte eacother like he did when he mentioned your mum being alive. Since when did life become a point scoring exercise ? Has he stopped thinking of you as a partner now, someone you treat as an equal and with respect ? I also agree that time away from eachother would help a lot. He probably doesnt realise quite how much the way he treats you grinds you down, he probably cant think beyond how he feels. I say this because I have treated DH dismissively in the past without realising that it had a much worse effect than I would have expected. Not an excuse though, especially if you are telling him how you feel. He needs to understand that you need to come out of this stronger rather than weaker, as you never know what life is going to throw at you. Has he spoken to CRUSE ? They offer counselling for free and when you can fit it in. Might help, might not.

This may also be contraversial, but I never did the deed with DH when things were bad if I didnt want to, and I didnt feel bad about it.I know how bad it feels to be in a relationship and sleep with someone when you feel neither loved or respected, its horrible. It was one of our major problems and took DH a while and some painful conversations to get why I lost interest, and though he might not understand my needs(not sexual ones!) he could still make an effort. I should say that things are fine in that department now, so they can get better, and two other things that have helped us are - my independence as a driver now means I no longer rely on him and can have a social life of my own more easily, and, having fun together like we used to before DC. Certainly there was a period of 18 months where we had no holidays, no fun, no time away from the children (together or separately) and bad things kept happening and that was miserable.

I'm worried for you though, because I think if you do leave it could get harder before it gets better, simply because from what you've said your H might play the martyr and victim a bit, in which case you will need your friends family more than ever. If you do decide to leave, it will be hard but you will manage it, and then at least for a while after you will only have yourself and the boys to worry about and that will make you strong.

Zoe and LadyT sorry to hear about your accidents

Right gotta go and tidy the house as I have a rare child free evening to tidy the house and pack our bags for holiday on friday.

Hello to Beans and Pru, though, and anyone else I missed !

Hi! Will quickly finish as little greedy groblet may pounce again at any moment, despite feeding her for nearly 2 hours now! And she shits constantly. I'd forgotten the joys of that!

Anyway, in bath, blah blah, transition. Suddenly HAD to get out of bath, but DH was making me wait til contraction was over - but there wasn't really any let up between them. When I did have a brief ceasefire, I stood up and leant against the wall and started pushing. Was convinced it was a poo, so sat on the loo and started trying to do it. Midwife almost had to force me off loo as it was the baby's head!!!

Managed to get on bed and squeezed her out with a couple of good pushes. Bugger me, it hurt though! And I think I did a couple of little poos too. EEK! And gave myself a palmtree of piles - not nice. BUT no tearing or stitches or anything, so am amazed by that! Pru appeared looking a bit gooey, but otherwise perfect. I looked at her tummy button and she was Edward for a few minutes, before I noticed her fanny below it!!! Oops!

Then had injection for placenta. That was almost worse as it took nearly half an hour for it to come out and it was really really sore. They were pulling on it and I had to have a catheter and stuff. But eventually it popped out all on its own and the relief was INCREDIBLE. Almost worth the birth for that feeling! Ooh, tearing up a bit. But honestly, it was an amazing experience. Horrifically painful, but such a happy outcome!

Must go, sobbing again! Oh bugger. Boobs are like taps at moment - once on, can't stop em!

Big love and sorry for no personals.

xxxx

Just running on to say congratulations to MoM. I am very pleased for you and am crossing everything that this one is healthy and sticks. I wish you all the luck in the world.

And "Hello" Beans. So glad to hear Pru is def Pru. Now I just want the rest of your birth story. I am looking forward to the bit where you find she is a she.

Cross posted Beans. Yay for the ending! And lol at Edward the umbilicus.

Strange story to share from work today. We are a small department but two couples within our senior management team are married to each other. So four of our 10 senior team are together. Both the wives have the same name, say Sally. Sally1 is married to Ed and Sally2 always loved Ed but couldn't have him and eventually married Andrew. The two couples are great friends, live in the same neighbourhood and obviouslt work together.

Sally1 and Ed have two DDs with popular names say Eleanor and Catherine. Last year Sally2 and Andrew had their first DD and called her Catherine. Everyone thought it odd and clearly Sally1 was peeved. Today Sally2 gave birth to a DD2 and guess what??? She called her Eleanor. And not just that. She is going to shorten it to Nel just like Sally1's DD. Sally1 was visably shocked and went home early with a migrane. All very odd and incestuous in my opinion.

Lordy, avo - that is very very odd. I would be so freaked out!

mom - keeping fingers crossed for you - let us know updates. I'm afraid I'm going into hibernation a bit with 2, but will try to keep up when I can. Plus DH ever present and hard to spend time on internet with him around!

Izzy is being a total little star and I love her more than ever! Who knew I could love both so much?

xxxx

Wow Beans, that's an amazing birth story. Thanks so much for taking the time to tell us.

Avo: you are absolutely right, they are FREAKS. Unless it's just the wife who is barking and the husband is quietly fulminating over it all. If I were Sally 1 I'd be moving on sharpish.

Mom that is amazing news! Fingers firmly crossed. I agree with veggie the cheap ones are usually less sensitive so go get a clear blue and i bet it says yay!

Beans thanks for the birth story what a great story! Had a good snigger at Edward with the umbilical cord for a willy.

Avo what weirdos particuolarly the woman. If i were sally1 i would not only be annoyed but a bit scared too.

I am feeling much more comfy now. Almost back to normal. I am worried the baby might be the wrong way up now. Before i was sure it was head down but now movements seem to be all over the shop!

oh mom, mom, mom, mom, mom!!!! a very cautious and joyous hurrah for you. i, too, have only used cheapo internet tests, but i thought they were fine. did another one today, just to make sure again. the lines are getting a bit darker.

daisy, love. i feel so much for you - people have been very wise on here. for what it's worth - i had a lot of people apologise to me for bitching about their mums after my mum died. but i said to them that it wasn't their mum i wanted, but my mum. quite frankly your H is being selfish and solipsistic (sp?) about things. whoever said they wouldn't do the deed until they felt right has a point. i'm not sure i've always done the deed feeling fully positive, but maybe that might be a way to go and a beginning of alerting your H to how bad you are feeling. i've always hoped tragedy would make people behave better, but it's not always true. thinking of you lots, love.

zoe - your accident sounds dreadful. i knocked over a motorcyclist in broad daylight as he rode towards me - i had no excuse whatsoever and experienced proper hysteria afterwards. i couldn't speak, couldn't do anything. thankfully he wasn't badly hurt, and people were around to help. all i did was scream and shake for about 20 minutes, thinking i had killed him. it was dreadful, but i think avo is right. if you can, do get back in a car soon. if only to go around the corner or so. i also wrote down everything i could remember as soon as i got home, to make sure i didn't do too much false-memory stuff about it.

avo - sorry to hear about your friend -lots of white light. also those people at work: WEIRD. i'd be running a mile

spot - the private fertility places give you the test within an hour or so. it must be hard to wait for the phonecall/letter. i had such ambivalent feelings about getting tested - and no doubt will do again. lots of love coming your way, too.

and, of course, lots of love to beans and her delightful pru. another lovely birth story from you - enjoy! can't wait for more birth stories from the ladies!

Ach, how I hate this insomnia. Normally I would just lie in bed for hours, fretting about lots of stuff.

Beans, lovely to hear the rest of your story! I am so glad it all went well for you. How marvellous! In case you do look in, any middle name(s) for Pru? Loving Prudence, though. Interesting she was the same weight as Whizz, as Whizz was the same weight as my DD and I have been wondering how big DD2 will be as apparently second ones are slightly heavier as a rule.

Avo - I found that story about those people at work amazing - you could never get away with putting stuff like that in a book or script as people would think characters would never go to the same freaky lengths as Sally 2. How much does she want Sally 1's life! And how toxic it all sounds, ugh. I want to hear if there are any developments.

Daisy, I would spend the next three weeks thinking about what you want from life in general - including your relationship, but other stuff too. Just in a quiet, appraising way, without putting loads of pressure on yourself to make any sort of 'decision'. Are you going to Minorca without the kids? Either way, try to enjoy it somehow and then when you get back, I think then is probably the time for all the big talks. I don't think it is at all wrong, by the way, to want more from life than sitting in with your DH and the kids. I certainly do. I love DP and DD, and whilst they are obviously the most important things I do very much need other stuff and other people. You talked about retraining as a teacher, at one point. I know there's never a good time to go back into education financially, but do you think it would give you a fresh impetus/help you to meet some new people/have some new experiences/enforce a bit of space?

Hmm, I wonder if I should just go and get my book and read for a bit. I don't want to put any lights on, though, as I don't want to disturb DP. Arm is much better. Rash is very slightly better. Right, it's getting light...will force self back to bed.

Oh, now the bloody cockerel has started up! Jam, do you still have the one near you? This one must crow about 3,489 times a day. He only shuts his blasted beak in the hours of (complete) darkness.

oh, ladyt, i too am experiencing the insomnia - been awake between 3&5 for the last week or so. compounded by police helicopters overhead - bugger those burglars taking advantage of open windows in this lovely weather. in fact, this insomnia may be my only pregnancy symptom (if indeed it is linked at all...)

can i ask... do people give their los milk first thing in the morning? and then how does breakfast work? madam guzzles milk (cows milk in a bottle/beakers) when she first wakes up, and occasionally is quite insistent for more. but that means she has no or little interest in breakfast later on. but now she is waking up at 6am, that seems too early for breakfast and too mean not to give her anything at all until a breakfast at 7 or later - any ideas???