Dec 08 Ladies - Maybe this thread they'll ALL sleep through the night at the same time!

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Apologies for rubbish title, couldn't think of anything - mind is totally riddled by hormones...!

a quick question... went to doctors to say i'm preggers and get me a midwife appt - but lo and behold you don't get an appointment at the doctor's anymore, you get given a "pack" of phone numbers, emma's diary etc and told to sort it out yourself. i have to refer myself to one of a choice of hospitals and then start the process. question is... i had madam in the whittington and i would like to have any potential number 2 there, mainly because i know it and because the labour care was amazing. it is, however, slightly harder to get to than a more local hospital. apparently i can get antenatal appts in another hospital and then have the birth back in the whittington. however, my hospital notes will be at the whittington and i want to get some proper advice about vbac and won't they need my notes for that? sorry to be so convoluted - where should i go - back to the whittington for everything, or to the nearer hospital for my scans/antenatal appts?

avo - hope things are better. sounds like the last thing you needed on your mum's anniversary.

sorry to hear daisy has deleted posts and isn't around. i think it is absolutely understandable that she vents her deepest darkest feelings on a board like this with relative anonimity (sp?) before working out how to tackle it in real life.

kiwi - not long now. and i second what others have said about the blood in teh cot incident. you will remember it way longer than her. and think how you can tell her about it when she has her first little one!

feeling low and tired and drained. if this is preggers symptoms, i don't know how any of you have managed to get through a second pregnancy. i am shattered and don't want to do anything. anything. ugh.

Power to her, people might scoff but the fact that I can never show DS2 his first photo is good enough reason to get it all done. Well I would have needed to brazillian for that.

just want you all to know i posted that only to discover gazillions of cross-posts, so will go back to read. very quickly though, SL - that is completely out of order the vendor is a right proper c*. give me his address and i'll go round and tell him to his face. honestly. i'm sorry you have having such problems.

right, back to reading....

WG - I'm going to an out of area hospital. Not going to lie it's been a bit of a faff but they do get this situation quite often. Anyway, your local GP and / or midwife should do all the booking in etc, but you need to have the notes book from the hospital you are having the baby in. Normally the hospital you go to will send out their notes and then the local midwife or GP will fill them in and do all your routine stuff. You need to have the blood work done at the hospital for the birth etc though, unless of course it isn't too far (as was my case with ds) in which case the local GP will send them over. It's sort of case by case how they handle it but I would def go to the hospital you are most comfortable with.

Oh Summer, it's a bloody nightmare. My M/W yesterday said I shouldn't have TOO much Rennie due to the calcium (to be fair I was overdosing I think) but suggested Gaviscon liquid as the best and to get a prescription (which I didn't as couldn't be arsed waiting for appt) so I had a steak salad last night, small glass of cheerfulness and a gaviscon chaser and as soon as I went to bed it started again (well not the vomit this time but the heartburn) so I sat upright for a bit and then it went away thankfully. I never had it this bad first time either and YES I'm getting the cramps too!! I just thought I was dehydrated (well dh thinks so) and I've been having quite a bit of coffee (which also isn't helping the heartburn I spose!)
Such joy.... Oh and Sybs yes I've had the date set for ages now (26th) 3 weeks 2.5 days) roll on... Still don't have names finalized though had a convo last night about it but dh is so hard to read. I think we are both set on them now. Hey we are going to use 2 middle names like we did with ds, - is that normal in girls as well? dh wasn't sure and didn't know if that's weird for girls? WG or other clackereds have you thought of any names?

just a very quick one to say SL I am sending lots of "sort yourself out you great nob" vibes to your vendor, what a big sack of poo.

and re tidying oneself up before birth - well, I had stubbly legs and an unkempt garden but I did give myself a home haircut about 5 hours before dd was born on the grounds that "I want to look good in the post-birth photos" you could tell she was the first eh?!

will be back tonite, have a good Friday my lovely ladies

Morning All

DD2 in a right grump this morning. We have already had two full on tantrums. The first because she wanted to play with my make-up compact and the second because I wld not let her bite my knee cap. I have resorted to CBeebies. It keeps her amused. With DD1 I really limited TV but with DD2 I need it. It's been on since 8.15. She potters while watching but do you all limit TV? In all honesty how much do your 18 month olds watch.

WG - sounds like pregnancy tiredness to me. Nice to have a symptom at least. I wld probably go fo all care at the Whittington if I wanted to birth there. That minimises risk of confusion and conflicting advice etc. Is the journey much worse?

Summer - nightmare about the house. Why wld he say he can be flexible if he can't? Sorry abt your aches and pains.

I have size 41 feet But they are very oddly shaped and I have never once bought a pair of shoes that weren't agony to wear for the first few weeks. I even have to break-in ballet pumps. Nightmare.

Two updates for you. The two MaryS saga is slightly less weird than originally advertised as Mary2 is not copying the nickname Nell. Still Eleanor but shortened to Ellie. Mary1 seems placated. Still odd IMO. And the other news is my friend had an 11 hour surgery to remove her tongue cancer. Operation went v well but they had to remove half her tongue so she will need lots of speech therapy. She will also need radiotherapy.

wg the tired shittiness feeling will get better. I don't know how I survived the beginning of the pregnancy either. I was just going to work and then coming home and going to bed. Repeat.

avo good(ish) news about your friend. I really hope she's ok.

WG in your shoes I would just do everything at Whittington, even if the antenatal appts are a bit more of a pain to get to. You just know that they'll manage to cock it up somehow if the notes are in a different place.
How are the couples counselling sessions going, btw? I am going to ask DP if he'll go (though I know he won't, whenever I've brought it up before he's been super defensive and believes we can sort everything ourselves. Which we blatantly can't). I have so much anger and resentment towards him and I don't know what to do with it.

I am in absolute agony with my sinuses, was up literally all last night, and T was up with teeth (wanted to come on to MN to rant at 3am but my broadband wasn't working for some reason). So am joining the ranks of living dead today.

Summer that is totally out of order with your seller. Surely he realises that sometimes one person has to compromise more because of circumstances, and yours trumps his? What's the estate agent saying about it all? Do you feel like they're on your side?

Veg Zara are rubbish, I have broad shoulders and end up feeling like some kind of man in drag if I ever venture through the doors. Sorry to hear DS2 struggled to settle, and then had a bad night. You are very strong to have lasted until 9 for your coffee.

On the HB front, I was also convinced by the argument of it taking the same amount of time to get to hospital for EM CS as if you were already there. I can't bear the idea of having the next DC in a hospital (but am totally prepared to go if the MW think it's necessary), I also think I would be more stressed and labour would prob be more painful.

Kiwi that was a funny joke from your ex-bf. Nice work on the pampering day next tues. Bet you're counting the hours til Mon morn. Though if your reunion is anything like ours are after time away it goes:
Me: Take T this instant he has been driving me mad, I have had no sleep and need to go and lie down in a darkened room. Oh, and welcome home.
DP - But I've been working 15 hour days and just travelled 14 hours to get here, I need to go and lie in a darkened room.

I think childcare should be available for these situations where someone will just come and scoop up the DCs while you both just crash out for 12 hours.

Invis, that piece of work sounds great and is a real vindication of your efforts and talents. Well done!

Lightening your house dude is being a complete nightmare, flexible! It's not a dinner date your trying to sort out. Does he know your having a baby. When we were buying the Derby house the guy we were buying it off faffed about for ages with last minute things and then on the 20th December decided he was ready and wanted to exchange etc before Christmas he got really miffed with us when our solicitor explained it was impossible unless we paid a premium to have the
money transferred faster, & even if we did it would most likely still not happen. He started accusing us of being difficult. Moron. Lightening you are not bring unreasonable at all. He has clearly been caught our lying about his situation and is trying to make you out as the problem to cover it up. What are your solicitors doing in all this. Can you say you'll be more flexible if he drops the price based on the fact that he sold the house under false pretenses? Still doesn't change the fact that you are having a baby in the very near future. Anyway I know it won't stop you worrying but can DH deal with all this so you don't have to. Also my 2nd pregnancy was horrid compared to the first, just felt horrible for most of the 2nd half. The good news is you feel a lot better when there out & get more sleep.

WG i'd go with the Whit, Rubs has given you all the information you GP should have.

Loads of X-post. That's great about your friend, Avo - well in the circumstances. Do they know what kind of speech she is likely to recover?

On the telly front, I'm a big fan - T watches Tv first thing when he comes downstairs and has his milk, then it goes off for breakfast and he plays for a bit, but then on a bit when I have a shower, or am preparing his lunch or dinner. Then a bit of ITNG before bath. Basically, when I need to do something without being demanded to do something RIGHT NOW. But it's no magic bullet as he often gets distracted and if he doesn't like the prog will just wander off and start playing with matches...

spot we haven't spoken to the estate agent of the seller! They are useless, so we have spoken directly to the seller. DH was remarkably nice to him I thought. But very firm on that no we won't move after the 15th July, and that if it doesn't happen then we cannot guarantee that it will happen at all.

The solicitors know the situation too, and I suspect are arguing it out as we speak.

And yes veggie he does know I am having a baby, and has done from the start, we told him we had to move by the beginning of July and have already allowed it to slip from this (admittedly partly due to our buyers, but then we didn't tell him we weren't in a chain!)

x posted and watched bb in between Summer forgot to say what a nightmare about house. Stick to your guns.
WG I think I misread your post. Didn't notice they are offering to do all your care at one place - def go with that - way less hassle. They wouldn't let me do all my appts at the hospital as it's out of area. Sorry I'm just totally preggo brained out

Oh God I have to tidy the nether regions for planned CS - can't have a whole team of theater staff fighting their way through any unkempt ground. It's bad enough the excess thigh fat - I offically have chaffing and am about one step away from buying some of that gel no, I can't...

Aahhh DS2 is napping he put up quite a fight but fell asleep in the end. I think because DH is working from home he doesn't want to sleep he wants to play with him. Up to my 2nd coffee but we are out of milk so I only have a teeny bit in it.

Avo that is good news about your friend. How is she with it all. This may sound selfish but I would be so angry to lose half my Tongue. I'm sure she feels grateful to be alive but you have to be angry about it. God cancer is horrible. I hated losing my dad but (touchwood) that is the only time I've come into contact with it. Some people have lost so much to that horrid disease.

Also Avo for me, Mary2 using a different nickname really does not change the weirdness level of the situation. Very strange.

Wow it's a scorcher here, too hot even for the beach. We are going to a friends house for some paddling pool time....& Pimms.

Telly front - I used to be terrible. Couldn't put ds in front of it enough when he was littler and not so mobile... Now he's just not interested. Probably lucky as I'd totally overdose him if it were the case. He's more interested in the mechanics of the TV and turning it off and on and volume up and down these days - bloody annoying

ds naps are never at the same time. Does that matter? Like some days he naps from about 1230-1pm to 2 or 3 and today he's knackered so have just put him down which means lunch is at really different times each day. Anyone else have that?

Also, sorry my posts are totally random and not relating very well when I answer peoples queries. I'm just totally knackered myself and not thinking straight so just ignore me

Pubes same here on the naps can be quite random mostly around 11 but often as late as 1 or 2.

Hey if you get you lady garden removed will have to stop calling you pubes.

Avo my boys tend to watch a fair bit of television esp if DH away or working late as otherwise I would get the dinner cooked. However, I have convinced myself that nature shows are educational, even for DS2. Cbeebies is also educational because surely they do loads of research to give our children strong, clean minds. Finally, having them watch Dutch cartoons is exposing them to the culture of our adopted country and is good for DS1's language skills. See Avo turn that guilt into good, you can think your way out of any bad feelings.

Have to be brief as posting on here is a pain - Rubes, two middle names for girls is a must for me. Esp if your DS has two. As for roots before birth...day before my section I had a full cut and colour and was puffing around Oxford St in search of a decent waterproof mascara and finishing my Christmas shopping. I am sure none of you will be surprised to hear this. Home births - it is actually hard to get raw stats as nefarious people with an axe to grind tend to merge the very different stats for attended and unattended births - just as people do with planned and emergency sections. If my daughters have kids I will be encouraging them to go with whatever suits them best - no judging - as my homebirthing mum did with me! WG - sounds like sticking with the Whit for everything may be more straightforward. Kiwi, you poor old sausage. Don't blame yourself - and huzzah to the pampering. Sybs, I'm up for Battersea Pk on the 9th. Summer, I am hopping mad for you about your turd of a vendor. I can't think of a clever way out of this apart from doing what you are doing. I so wish I could. I hope his dick drops off. Spot, I have felt furious with DP on and off over last few days. It is lifting now, as these things do. Then again, I am 80 miles away at Mum's. Avo, why were work so lukey about your suggestion to cut your hours? Fingers crossed for your pal. Gur, sorry for this stream of consciousness post, I can't see what I've written. Right, big love to all. Another dire night's sleep here. I feel quite stressed. Back to my crisp copy of The Times that Mum presents me with every morn.

Guys we need a new thread...

(cue everyone, including me, pretending not to be around until someone else seizes the iniative and comes up with a witty yet tasteful new title.)

what was our title that so angered an MN regular that she left forever????

Oh I want to come to your mums. How lovely to get you a copy of the times each day! I think you need your feet up right now. I do feel sorry for the clackers in this heat it 30+ here, is it hot over there?

Have to be brief as posting on here is a pain - Rubes, two middle names for girls is a must for me. Esp if your DS has two. As for roots before birth...day before my section I had a full cut and colour and was puffing around Oxford St in search of a decent waterproof mascara and finishing my Christmas shopping. I am sure none of you will be surprised to hear this. Home births - it is actually hard to get raw stats as nefarious people with an axe to grind tend to merge the very different stats for attended and unattended births - just as people do with planned and emergency sections. If my daughters have kids I will be encouraging them to go with whatever suits them best - no judging - as my homebirthing mum did with me! WG - sounds like sticking with the Whit for everything may be more straightforward. Kiwi, you poor old sausage. Don't blame yourself - and huzzah to the pampering. Sybs, I'm up for Battersea Pk on the 9th. Summer, I am hopping mad for you about your turd of a vendor. I can't think of a clever way out of this apart from doing what you are doing. I so wish I could. I hope his dick drops off. Spot, I have felt furious with DP on and off over last few days. It is lifting now, as these things do. Then again, I am 80 miles away at Mum's. Avo, why were work so lukey about your suggestion to cut your hours? Fingers crossed for your pal. Gur, sorry for this stream of consciousness post, I can't see what I've written. Right, big love to all. Another dire night's sleep here. I feel quite stressed. Back to my crisp copy of The Times that Mum presents me with every morn.

Oh dear Ladys posts are on the rampage I'll sort something out now.

Oops! The breakfast in bed for myself AND DD is fab too, Veg. It's sultry in the Midlands without being at all sunny! Avo, it was something about a poonami which caused a few cat's bum mouths across the wider board.

here is new thread