Sept 08: How do we like our eggs in the morning? Fertilised, or completely and most definitely unfertilised?

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Congrats kagey

Ah, congrats Kagey how wonderful. It's daft isn't it - we tried for C for 12 months and I finally gave up and took a break for xmas 07 - ate, drank and was merry and conceived C on xmas Day.
I've started off on the charting/ovulation sticks route, but if no joy after a while I'll try to 'not try' IYKWIM.

Am dead tired today. C woke up at 5am - most unlike her. I went in to try to settle her but she looked so cute standing up on her bed, clutching her favourite cordy toy and wanting a pick up, so I gave in and brought her in with us.
Big mistake She bounced around on the bed and there's no cbeebies till 6am so we ended up watching puppy scooby doo till she dozed off for 5 mins at 6.15.
I told nursery to just let her sleep if she wants today, whereas poor old me is in work and DP is driving to Cumbria!

Serves me right for watching big brother and going to bed gone 11.

mrsA I never really got on with ov sticks. In fact, according to them I didn't ovulate the month I got pg. Whereas for me, the temp chart and cervical fluid signs were good. I think it's different for everyone. I found the ov sticks depressing as they seemed to be telling me every month that my body wasn't working. Even if it's not true, I'm sure it doesn't help matters to be told this!

LOL at 'half the women on MN need therapy' - doesn't he realise that MN is our therapy?

Congrats kagey - lovely news!

As for us we are doing OK so far. DS is 5 weeks old today and thriving. DD says his name in the most affectionate voice and kisses him all the time - it's so cute! And the other night when she was miserable with the heat she called out 'Daddyyy... Mummyyyy... Xxxx....' I pmsl at that!

My parents have gone back home. They were great but at least I'm no longer being nagged to toilet train DD. I've had 'Neice toilet trained herself at 17 months, you know'. OK, (a) it's not a race, and (b) I have a newborn to worry about! But apparently Mum thinks she's ready because once she pointed at her nappy and said poo, and lo and behold there was a poo. Well Grandma praised her so much for this that ever since we've had DD randomly saying poo in a hopeful voice whether she's done one or not! I'm beginning to suspect that Grandma's praise may have involved some sugary treats.

Congrats Kagey! We're on month 8 of trying, really hope we're lucky! We've done things the opposite way - started out pretty relaxed, but now trying everything from temping to CBFM (which, incidentally, did actually agree on when I OV'd)

Am totally flapping about the wedding, as if I don't get PG this month (or possibly next month), will have to sit down with DP and discuss (a) Having a teeny weeny newborn and being fat diddly fat, (b) being hugely pregnant or (c) stopping trying for a couple of months and being only a little bit pregnant (am not prepared to stop trying for a year or so to avoid all of these things). So will be doubly depressing when the inevitably BFN shows up this month.

In other news, am off to London on Saturday to check out dress fabrics - am planning on making my dress if I'm going to not be pregnant (will buy enormous Isabella Oliver concoction if I will be). Am quite excited, as it will include lots of corsetry, and generally be much more weddingy than I had previously planned (tried on dresses the other day and was surprisingly impressed that it is possible to look weddingy without looking like a meringue). Not in virginal white though (or ivory). Think it's a little late for that! Am contemplating blue...

T not remotely ready in any way for any kind of potty training/introduction. He has not the least concept of weeing, and only occasionally even whinges to be changed when he's done a poo.

Congratulations Kagey and good luck Hopefully

Very cool that you're going to make your wedding dress. I live very near 2 shops that do wedding dresses and there's often some beautiful non-meringue dresses in the windows. Mine was not meringuey at all actually. It wasn't lots of layers and so was quite fitted all the way down with just a very small train. Came from Monsoon and cost about £200.

I'd bought a dress in April from Debenhams and wore it to a wedding and then to the school prom. When it was dry cleaned after the wedding the padding bit in the bust bit of it cam loose and was all bunched up. It wasn't noticable when I wore it (I only noticed it after the prom) but as soon as I was aware of it I felt like it was noticable. So I took it back yesterday and got the £75 back that I paid for it. The best thing was that it had a stain on the front that the dry cleaner couldn't get out so I might not have ever worn it again anyway and now I'll get to buy a new dress for the next wedding I go to.

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Congratulations kagey!

Have conceived in all different circumstances. DS was cycle 4 or 5 on a cycle where I was a bit more relaxed as has started tests to investigate long cycles, still made sure we had sex on the right days though. PG2 was very very relaxed ttc while breastfeeding. PG3 was a very determined conception after having a mini-meltdown at DH and telling him he had to make more of an effort.

Who knows when PG4 will be conceived?

In other news. I have decided against all internet advice to throw DS a themed birthday party. Am worried no-one will come as it's over the Bank Holiday weekend in August...but the overly expensive invitations have been ordered now. After being a workaholic/slack mummy for the past month I'm determined to make up for it with extravagent displays of Alpha mumminess:
Tumbletots for Autumn term - booked.
Little kickers course - on waiting list.
Overpriced family festival - tickets for this Sunday
One-to-one piano tutor - still looking

What's the theme?

Jungle Safari.

This coincides nicely with the Dora the Explorer shoot I have just finished at work which means there are spare parrot garlands, blow up palm trees and loads of jungle foliage in the props room.

Hopefully Good on you for making your own dress, what shade of blue do you like?

I think Robyn is getting used to the idea of the baby. I tell her about it a lot and today she asked me to draw mummy so I drew me with a fat belly and a baby inside. She like the picture and I told her there was one in my belly and she looked and started laughing at it.
On the other hand she is quite jealous when the other kids cuddle me or daddy so she might not be overkeen at a baby sat on my knee most of the day.

MrsA I second that sentiment, tell us more.

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I am am lurking in the background. Men ? mrs a .
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Poor MrsA.

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What's up Mrs A?

Many congratulations Kagey, that's lovely news

Tell us ALL of your wedding details hopefully, we NEED to know

DS's speech has been picking up for a while, but this week it seems to have gone mad. He now repeats words unprompted. He is also fascinated by clocks and seems to spot them from a thousand paces, however he pronounces it as cock. So I'm pushing him around town in his buggy and he finds EVERY clock in the vacinity and screams at the top of his voice 'cock, cock'

I've started to think about ds's party as well, but thinking about it is as far as I've got

Ah dear, thanks for the drink FP. Currently have glass of vino, remote and no DP.

Before you gasp, he's away on business for the night

We had row last night cos he just doesn't GET IT!!!!!

He is a brilliant dad and person and he works damn hard but he often forgets I work FT too, yet he frequently overlooks or forgets stuff and it's always down to me to remember.
Eg last night, C needed more clothes in her nursery bag, the bins needed putting out, tea needed cooking, the living room needed tidying.
the night before, he put C to bed so i tidied up, cooked tea and put the washing on cos he had to check emails and do paperwork.

Last night I put her to bed and came down to find the living room untidied, her nursery bag unpacked and DP merrily filleting fish for tea. I started to tidy up and it started raining so he said can you get the washing in please, I have fish hands.

I got v cross and asked him had he not done stuff before starting tea (it's our routine). And so we rowed as he thinks I'm nagging (probably am).
he then asks me where he should put the clean kitchen dishcloths.......without saying the obvious - seriously? Do you really not have any idea?? It's the same when he undresses C, he always asks me if the clothes need a wash., What am I? the fucking washing guru??!! Make a decison yourself man! If you get it wrong, it doesn;t matter really.

And he is slightly OCD about the recycling and will stop to put it out above everything else - well maybe not C playing with knives, but YKWIM.

Sigh. He really is a great person and I do love him (we're holding a BBQ this weekend for 12 adults and 7 toddlers and he'll do most of it) but it just seems I get all the crappy jobs or have to remember everything and he gets the jobs that are just as important but you don't have to think IYSWIM.

Eg in the mornings, he always goes and makes a cup of tea and gets C's milk but that means he gets to sit on the loo for 10mins reading the paper. I get C up, washed, dressed and fed and myself ready for work whilst he's still coming out of the shower. Putting the bins out or doing DIY are just as valuable but they are mentally easier than looking after C or trying to remember 100 things at once.

And now I will shut up. I have vented. I love him. He is a git and a bloke sometimes who is rubbish at talking about his feelings but can get quite shouty, but having been married and divorced, I know it's stuff you just have to live with as long as overall things are OK.

Think I'm feeling a bit neglected. We've been out together just once all year and I still have an issue with not being married (and he knows it) and he says he wants to but he's too busy atm (that sounds really crap - it's not, you have to be me to know).

Aw MrsA men are rubbish sometimes, and the most annoying thing is they are completely unaware at just how rubbish they are being right at that moment. Hope the vino makes you feel better.

MrsA you are right men are a pain sometimes. DP seems blissfully unaware of where clean and dirty clothes go and is forever putting DS's dirty school clothes on top of a clean pile of washing. I'm not the most tidy person as well so that doesn't help. Still he is a great dad and a lovely person, don't tell him tho.

We have just had our first night out together since Robyn was born. We went to a loal pub that has been taken over in the 2 years we have been housebound and is a posh eatery. Dinner was a bit more expensive then we bargained but definitely worth it.
Robyn was pretty good for my mum but wouldn't go to bed or have her milk or have her nappy changed without a fight. So just like she is for us then.

Hi all.

Off to North Yorkshire tomorrow for a week so catch up when I get back x

my gripe atm is the mornings. I get everyone up dressed, washed and fed. If I have to go to work erly I make sure everything is ready early. I also sot out washing, dishwasher and feed the animals in the morning. H just about managed to drag himself up and when I ask for help says why does it all have to be about me - he's not a morning person

I know what you all mean- men are just not as intuitive as us. My dh doesn't ever think to do things like put clothes in the washing machine if it's clear there's a lot of washing and he doesn't seem to notice dirt or mess so wouldn't think to clean anything.

BUT I can't complain as he often gets both boys up, fed and dressed before I've barely got up. It's bad I know but he's let me be lazy for so long and doesn't ever moan about it that I just carry on being lazy and rubbish in the mornings. Although if we need to be early or have more to do one day then I would obviously get up and help. I hate mornigns.

Debi I know you'll take this the way it's intended but can your DP come and do my mornings too !!!

Lol I'll send him up to you. Sure I can cope for 1 morning on my own He'd be happy to come up & then go and see Harlequins play at St Helens on Sunday!

Hee hee that made me chuckle Debi and MrsA! My DH has his moments of madness and he can be quite oblivious to mess and routine. However, he is more often than not a great guy and a super dad, so I shall let him off .

DH is away this weekend on a camping trip so I spent most of the night listening out for strange noises and imagining monsters in the shadows - I get so silly and paranoid that even though I needed a wee during the night, I was too petrified to go downstairs to the bathroom so just tried to get back to sleep. DD began murmuring to get up at 6.30am but is still fast asleep so I could have been having a lovely lie-in but instead thought I would use the PC quickly.

Otherwise all well here and looking forward to a nice sunny weekend! Thanks for your best wishes!

Congrats kagey!

We're back from our lovely holiday, and now in a different friend's house for a week while the extension continues...

We only went on holiday 20miles from home which turned out to be a genius move. We hate travel and how tired it makes us, but being half an hour away from home we had different things on our doorstep and travelled to visit other things we wouldn't have gone all the way to from home.

The highlight was DD learning to ride her pedal bike, she's 3.3 [insanely proud parent emoticon]

For those wondering what to get their dcs for their 2nd birthday, I cannot recommend highly enough getting a balance bike. DD got the hang of hers sometime around the age of 2.4, then the pedal bike not quite a year later, no stabilisers coz the balance bike means you can skip that step! There are lots of balance bikes on the market but its definitely worth paying for a proper one. We had a wooden like a bike which I think my dad paid about £50 for. Sales pitch over

AF due on Tuesday, which will signal the end of cycle 6. I've got my usual pmt symptoms and am super grumpy and altho my endo pain wasn't as bad this month, it was still there, and is really achy now. Guess I'll have to go to my gynae appt on the 26th after all

DS has also flourished on holiday and is joining more words into sentences. Physically he's starting to do more too which is great. He's such a delight, and he and DD loved sharing a room on holiday to the extent that we might put them in together at home (and I might brave a big boy bed). No potty training this side of age 2 1/2 thank you very much.

Re: dp/hs. I really recommend getting a babysitter and going out to some neutral territory and having a proper chat about things. Start from the basis that you both want the relationship to work, and apologise for your part in not working together as well as you could, and talk about specifics. For us its that dh does loads, but all I see are the things he doesn't do which are priorities for me so I have a tendency to immediately criticise rather than look to see what he has done. And saying things like 'I love that you take responsibility for the recycling, that's so helpful and means there's a job I don't have to worry about at all. However if you could do it after the dcs are in bed then that means you'd be around to help with other jobs first' or similar.

We're off out to supermarket so I'd better go. I'll prob re-read the above spiel later and realise what a load of jibberish it is, sorry!

.... back after a week in Cornwall . It was a bit rainy . Will catch up but have lots to do. x

Aaaaaahhhhhhhh its the end of the weekend and we're having a curry with friends tonight (2nd take away in as many evenings, something not to tell the gynae if he asks about my health )

Sorry if the relationship advice was unhelpful or misguided. I'm just saying what works for me and DH to draw a line under things when we've been cranky with each other, and to move on much happier.

Back into the real world this week after holiday. Starting with a playdate at the soft play tomorrow. Good coffee and excellent company, can't be too bad!