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june09 Weaning the babies and shifting the Mummy Tummy!!!

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Tee2072 · 03/10/2009 18:22

Here it is, Juners! New thread!!

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Naat · 03/10/2009 18:30

Thank you Tee!!

bunnymother · 03/10/2009 18:40

Thanks, Tee.
And thanks Bigcar for the advice on moving Delie. Will follow that advice.
Thanks Strawberry Sam, and hello! We won't do crib, though, as it's an extra piece of furniture for us to then dispose of. Which can be tricky. Delie is tall, it would seem, as almost ready to move her to 6-9 month clothes. She isn't especially hefty but lengthwise she fills her suits and the Moses basket.
Rubbish weather here in London. First weekend day staying indoors and it's not v fun. Am def taking her out tomorrow by hook or by crook! Babies much easier to deal w when have other distractions / entertainment around. Playmat, swinging chair, jumperoo and mummy don't really cut it, it seems!! Delie much happier when there are other things to look at!

Have great Saturday nights, ladies! DH is sick so making one of his fave meals - Shepherds Pie. Stodge central!

worriedamy · 03/10/2009 19:35

Hi everyone

MrsMcJnr- my dad has bi-polar, and I think both my aunty (his sister) and my nan (his mum) have it also. I also sometimes worry that I might be going down that route

Does he get really excited about things and make impulse decisions? Anything that might involve a change in direction- is he really 100% non-stop about it (if you get what I mean). 100 miles an hour, until the appeal wears off?? And then does he get stuck in a rut very easily? Is it difficult to motivate himself when he has been doing the same thing/ been in the same place for a while. Does his attitude change in a second for no apparent reason? Is it difficult to get him out of a bad mood- does he appear stubborn and can't see the good in anything? The problem with the disorder is that on good days, you can feel really great, so it can hide how bad the bad days are. It makes you think, well maybe things arn't that bad after all, so you carry on with things, and carry on doing things that you don't really want to do, because on the good days you have the drive to do so. But on the bad days, you can't, and all you see is that you have been sticking at something that you don't want to do, and that gets you down even more.

I suppose all I can suggest, from my own experience is that nothing you can say to your DH will really help on those down days. If anything, it could make it worse. Why not ask him what does he want you to do when he feels down? Does he want you to leave him alone, does he just want you to sit with him, but not really talk about anything? On bad days, I don't want to be on my own, but I don't want to talk. I just want to sit with DP. If I go on my own, it makes me feel worse, but I know my dad would want to be on his own. I know my mum tried getting him lessons for the guitar, and watercolour as something to get his teeth into, but that would last about 1-2 months. Oh its so difficult, because then you think 'DP even went out and got me this and that, and I can't even be bothered with it- I feel so bad'. As a partner, you are in the difficult situation of having to ride out the bad days, when you want to scream 'WTF do you want me to do!!!'

I don't suppose this has helped at all...!!

worriedamy · 03/10/2009 19:39

sorry- hope that wasn't too doom and gloom

{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}

Tee2072 · 03/10/2009 20:21

I don't know who was looking for info on variflow nipples, but I am having mixed result with them. Some days Adam drinks from them fine, other days he seems to be drowning in the flow! And of course I never know which it will be until the bottle is in his mouth. I've actually started to have both nipples standing by!!

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llynnnn · 03/10/2009 21:56

thanks for the new thread tee

big hello to all ladies and scrummy babies, i will be back soon to do proper update x

MrsMcJnr · 03/10/2009 22:46

Thanks ladies for all the info and insight. I need to do some research but from what you have said (Worried - I answered yes to most of your questions) and from what I have read in the Mental Health section (where I found out that behaviours I hadn't even considered linked could be) I am more concerend than before about DH's state of mind. I am not sure how these issues are dealt with here... more research.

ermintrude13 · 03/10/2009 23:02

Just bookmarking - thanks Tee. And MrsMc - can you gently broach this subject with your DH? It may have already occurred to him or it may be out of the blue, but either way it will be a very sensitive subject. Sounds like you need to say something before matters get even worse. Thinking of you xx

Skillbo · 03/10/2009 23:26

Evening all - sort of sad to be in on a Saturday as I remember all the fun times and how much I used to look forward to this night. Then I remember why I'm home and I don't care about going out anymore!!

Wowsers - I don't check for one night and it's a whole new thread.. I didn't realise you could only have 1000 posts. So much to catch up with.

MrsM - I really hope both your little ones are feeling better now and also that things have improved at home with your DH. I don't have much experience of bi-polar although did touch on it in my degree - I agree with Tee though that he does need to be seen by a professional as it can be easy to misdiagnose! Please don't take this the wrong way, but would another baby next year really help you guys get over this current hurdle - please don't be cross but little ones have a way of putting extra strain on the best of relationships and with 3 under 3 - cor blimey! I also think though, that you have every right to fight back, so to speak - he needs to understand how he makes you feel. If anything, this could be what spurs him into speaking with his GP. Whatever happens though, please carry on venting as just getting it out of your system can be a huge relief!

I have a fellow FB addict here and it is sooo frustrating! My folks live in Torrevieja, just south of Alicante. I am actually thinking of going out for a visit in about 6 weeks - let me know if you're local..!

June and Ineed - fellow insomniac here. I haven't suffered too badly from it until now (had a few blips during pregnancy and hideous a few years before that) but it has come back with a vengeance! I just seem to lie there, listening to DP snoring - which makes it so much worse! I'm not sure if it's just hormones or whether there is something really worrying me. I will admit that cashflow is always scary and really not wanting to return to work (although thats not for months yet). Hmmm, hope it passes soon as being quite unfair to Jazzy in the mornings - desperate for her to go down for her morning snooze so I can join her!!

Erm - laughed at the Makaton thing. We have a DVD (kindly supplied by Surestart) which has nursery rhymes signed by Dave Benson Phillips - Jazzy is terified of him. I think it's his constant chirpy'ness, freaks her out something chronic! Hopefully make it to Tots and Tunes this week though.

Bigcar - I passed my test on the 2nd attempt and have to say, not sure about the better driver thing... I have written off two cars in three years (one not really my fault but can't say the same about the second one!)

Bunny - hello! I joined her recently and am loving catching up with ladies whose babies are reaching the same milestones! My little Jazzy (born 14/6) sounds like Delie in that she is sooo long in the body that she seems to grow out of everything really quickly - her 3-6 month babygros looking a little snug. We have had her out of her moses basket since she was about 8 weeks, maybe earlier - thankfully, she has really settled into her cot. Our room is large enough fortunately for her to still be in with us and like you, love listening to her. She does make me laugh though as she can hold onto her poo for a little while (understatement) so she can wake me up with the noise that explodes out of her when she finally lets it rip.

The great grans finally leave tomorrow so will be back to just visits a couple of times a week from MIL and having our days back . It has been smashing but I must have walked about 20 miles this week going backwards and forwards which I thought would help with the insomnia - no such luck!

Teething seems to have well and truly arrived and is unsettling Jazzy quite a bit. She has taken to using me as a chew toy towards the end of her feeds which is AGONY - feels a little like when I had so many troubles at the beginning and my nips are very sensitive. Like before, I will perservere but I can understand why a lot of women stop around this point due to teething and growth spurt. Typical - had to just dash off and soothe her as she's just woken up, crying really hard! It makes me sad to see her like this so am going to invest in one of those teether dummy things - she doesn't seem to get on with the larger ones yet and the teething blanket I bought just seems to suck the moisture out of her mouth (good!) but not soothe(bad!).

Anyways, best get on - hope you're all having a great weekend! Naat - hope London was fab - used to go there a lot for work (another hint I was pregnant which didn't occur to me until I took the test was that I couldn't stay awake on the train EVER - always asleep before Clapham Junction!).

LittleSarah · 04/10/2009 19:23

Hello all

Looking forward to a quiet night in tonight, bit of X-Factor and Emma I think! Been down at my mum's today for my grandpa's birthday lunch and we have a birthday tea for dh's grandpa tomorrow. Lordy, never has Tuesday looked so excitingly relaxed.

MrsMcJnr - I'm so sorry to hear about your struggles with your dh, something really has to change there. Definitely get him along to the GP if he'll agree but sadly it is probably one of those things where he has to admit something is wrong, I hope he can do that.

Skilbo - You sound you're really suffering with the teething! Poor you. Dd wasn't that bothered by it but I am well aware that all kids are different so I have no idea how Alex will be. Hope the teething rings work. not sure how close Alex is but he is very dribbly at the moment.

Right, that's all for now!

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 05/10/2009 07:56

Hello all

I think DD set a record last night and was up 6 times... we've had over a week of sleepless nights now and we're all really frazzled! She's got her jabs today, even though she's got a bit of a cold, I think they're okay as long as they've not got a temperature....

MrsMcJnr - So sorry to hear about your DH's problems. DH teaches psychology and has a background in it (though the criminal kind so not wholly relevant). There is a fabulous book called 'An Unquiet Mind' It's a really good read and helps to understand bipolar disorder.

Skillbo - Sorry to hear that teething is troubling Jazzy. DS suffered hugely, and DD looks to be following suit.... Sorry to hear that you are also a fellow insomniac. It sucks, doesn't it? There's nothing quite so torturous or wretched than laying awake staring at the ceiling, knowing that you have to get up in a couple of hours....

Anyway, off to try and function with a toddler and a newborn.... oh the joys!

P.S. Can't believe that Louis put those two evil twins twins through to the finals on X-Factor.... I don't think I could bear to watch them any more!

Naat · 05/10/2009 10:01

Hi all!

Ineed, oh, so sorry to hear you had another hard night Hope the jabs go well today and you manage some rest today.

LittleS, it looks like you have a busy Monday Hope you enjoy your day

Skillbo, hi! Ouch, teething is proving hard, isn't it? Mila seems to have had a gap in her symptoms I know it'll come back with a vengeance soon... at your first pregnancy-commuting symptoms.

Ermin, hi!

Mrsmc, hope you had a better Sunday. Thinking of you xxx

Llynn, hi!

Worried, hi! How's Caelan's teething?

Bunny, hope your DH is on the mend now and that you had a nice wkend. I know what you mean re. furniture, we're always thinking about that as well, it's soooo easy to accumulate!!

Tee, hi! How's Adam feeling?

Right, back home. It took us exactly 2.45hs to JUST get out of London yesterday. We wanted to leave early so as to not get home too late and we just had to breathe and go along with the awful traffic. It was terrible, literally standing still! Any Londoner knows why? Anyway, after we took the M1 it was 3hs as usual to be home. Mila was fine except for some moments in which her hate for her carseat flourished and she started screaaaaaming I started singing to her baba black sheep and she suddenly fell asleep

Looks like a sunny day but loads to do at home so must get on with it soon. At least we had a good night, up at 3.45 and then at 6!! Unbelievable!!

Back later, waves to all!!!

bigcar · 05/10/2009 10:18

morning all

tee, thanks for starting the new thread, I hadn't noticed we were so close to the end on the other one

bunny, weather's even more rubbish today yesterday was at least drier! Edward is also nosey easily entertained when out, he won't lie flat in his buggy any more when he's awake, cries until he's sat up then instantly stops Time to break out the winter coats and hats I think!

MrsMcJnr, from worrieds description maybe you could talk to your dh when everything appears to be ok, he might be able to listen better then. ((((hugs))))

skill, we have a dbp dvd, one filmed on a farm? He was quite big on kids tv in the early 90s, mainly I think because of his enthusiasm, bit like Justin Fletcher now Some would say sleeping through Clapham could only be a good thing Chilling things can often help with teething, although it can mean you find all sorts in your fridge I stopped bf dd3 when she was about 11 months as she used to really bite me, ooowwwww!

littles, hope you got your quiet evening

ineed, that's no fun, 6 times! Have you figured out what's causing it yet? Hope the jabs go ok, usually it's just a temperature that stops them giving the jabs, but always best to mention any thing wrong. I'm afraid I only like the first few weeks of x factor, have stopped watching now it's got serious.

What did everyone think of the dancing on saturday? It just all seemed a little rushed for my liking, half the fun is the judges reactions and they were cut short! Bruno needs his bum glueing to the chair, he was up and down like a yoyo, he gets so over excited

waves to all

bigcar · 05/10/2009 10:23

x posts naat It's raining here and cold! Ah yes, when the sun comes out in London, everyone wants to get out of London, cue massive traffic chaos

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 05/10/2009 10:54

Bigcar - Loved Saturday's show! I wish they'd cut Bruce's crap jokes and not the judges' comments.... Love watching Ricky Whittle, but he comes across as really arrogant on the VTs. I also like that Ali girl, and she seems really sweet too. I think that Ricky from Eastenders is HILARIOUS!

Effielou · 05/10/2009 11:18

Hi all xxx

mrsmc thanks for your very kind words-- xxxx
Also my Mum has bi-polar- which is why she treats me the way she does! There is some suggestion that it can be genetic, so with your DH outbursts- he could be suffering! I know from my experience from my mum- she blames me for alot of things- hence my guilt issues, she tells me what a dreadful daughter I was and am- I was a normal teenager!!!! she is two faced and very hypocritical!!! She always thinks she knows best- ie telling me that she knows more about neonatal nursing than me- knows my kids better than me-etc etc! Shes excessive about things- especially shopping! she lies! find her like jekell and hide I feel sick before I ring, as I don't know who will answer! The worst thing shes down- besides blaming me for her overdose, is steal a story my DD was going to write. During my pregnancy- there was an hours difference between picking up DD and DS1 from school/pre school- so me and DD were going to write a story while waiting- we chose a subject about a snail who couldn't have his friends round for tea, as he had no room in his house!! DD told Grannie- as shes a very good artist!! She then took the idea to her illustration class- and stole the whole thing and claims its her story- and if she gets published- she'll mention DD in the book!!!!! - but because of the blame for her OD- I can't have ago at her!!! She won't be looking after DS1, as on 2 occasions- after saying DO NOT let go of his hand- as he runs off-- grannie knows best and let go of his hand, and he has run through very busy car parks in complete danger!!! and blames DS to all who will listen

I am now going to see a mental health nurse- to try and get rid of my guilt issues and to learn to cope with her- My gp asked why I still have contact but I do love her just don't like her sometimes-- BTW she never does this to my brother!!

It might be worth you visiting your dr- to see if they can help!

Sorry about that xxx

DS1 and Rup the poop are a bit poorly today= DS1 had poo running down hs leg after swimming- thank god he didn't do it in the pool!!!

W bought size 4 nappies for rup the poop- as the size 3s cut into his legs we decided not to by nighttime ones for DS1- so had none yesterday but luckily the size 4s fit beautifully!! Either DS1 is very skinny-or Rup the poop- is fat!!!! lol

I put on 2 lbs this week - but apple strudel and custard was too hard to resist!!!

I can't believe those twins got through- Simon will not be happy--lol I like Jamie Afro

Hope you all have a good day---sending lots of Effie hugs to all that need them xxxxx

daisy5 · 05/10/2009 11:19

Oh...back to the usual....3 hours sleep last night....fed at 10.00 but couldn't get last air out till 12:30 then awake at 3:00 and last bubble never went but he went back to sleep at 5:00. DD woke at 5:30 crying, so I took her into bed with me, Fraser awake again at 6am for a feed.

This is worse than the first few days!!!

Delie - glad to hear you and your dh are loving it. Fraser is a real cutie too, smiling and giggling for everyone.

MrsMcJnr - my cousin is bipolar - she follows a very obvious pattern of 'high' - can party all night and the next night, low - vile, black moods. She takes medication to control it.

Gotto go. Hope June having a lovely time in Cyprus.

Naat · 05/10/2009 11:19

Bigcar, I forgot, thanks for the tip re. Mila feeking cold at night. I had forgotten I had 2 sleeping bags!! It's a good point, thank you! Will make that change tonight. And, ohhhhh, now I get yesterday's jam! But, God, was it massive!!!

ermintrude13 · 05/10/2009 13:00

hi all - on the hoof, wanted to tell mrsmc that You and Yours on R4 has a big item on bipolar including a man who suffers from it talking about how the 'manic' phase can make him feel extremely clever and creative but his behaviour towards friends and family can be appalling -cutting comments, aggression, breaking things etc. They also talk about the genetic predisposition. Maybe use Listen Again and see if it strikes a chord?

Effie your mother sounds like mine to the power of 10. I think mine's had low-level depression for years and it shows itself by all sorts of mean mind-games she plays with/on her daughters (never her son either!). That's hard enough to deal with; it must be so difficult for you to work your way around such extreme horrid behaviour, and reflects v well on you that you haven't cut off from her.

didn't see the dancing - had to watch x-factor to report back to DC

Effielou · 05/10/2009 13:18

Thank ermin I sometimes feel running away we thought sseriously about emigrating to NZ!! She doesn't attack my brother- cos she knows that it won't affect him as much! I'm lucky that I don't drive- her demand would be greater her 1st OD that she blames for- was because I didn't go running to her mind game texts- the day I came out of hospital after having DS1- post section!!!! She thought I was out of order- eventhough- her brother had just rang and he'd deal with her!!!!!

Sorry all I do go on but Bi-polar is so hard on the sufferer and the ppl around so can empathize with mrsmc and all you others completely-- and will be here for any of you who need me!! you can always inbox me on FB if you need me! ( steph timms- bristol network) xxx

DorisIsAPinkDragon · 05/10/2009 22:59

Hi all

Have just tried to catch up a little with the stuff you're all going through, really sorry I've not been around more for the past month the reality of 3 under 5 and real life has been taking it's toll.

Like many of you Annabelle is STILL not sleeping through. I've never focused on it before but the crappy little feeds she's waking up for now are just not funny. She's averaging a couple of times a night but she littlerally wakes has 5mins at the breast then drifts off again arrrggghhhhhh!!!!!!

I then can not be bothered to move from my feeding chair to get back to bed for another 20 mins as I doze upright .

When I wake in the morning I'm just not worth speaking to for at least an hour but we have all of DD2 regime to get through before breakfast (another ordeal), and then the Pre-school run.

To top it all my Mum and Dad are trying to be really helpful and coming round to help with finishing off my Garden to make it safe for the girls but cementing stone walls just leaves me even more Knackered!!! (although we finished the back today... all but for the grouting and filling with soil and laying lawn!!!)

Annabelle is also teething badly but due to her dairy intolerance we hit the calpol which does have soome effect. I need to take her for her 3rd set of Jabs but I've put it off abi after last time...

Right i really have to go I read most of your posts on Facebook atm but just don't seem to have to time for muc more than reading

Big Hugs to MrsMc reading between the lines sounds like you've been through alot.

to everyone else Right off to see how my items on ebay are doing and then to bed!!

Night all X

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ermintrude13 · 06/10/2009 10:39

Hey all

Arthur slept from 10.45 till 7 last night which is excellent. Could still do with him going down to sleep a bit earlier but mustn't grumble! I do sympathise about the frequent wakings Strawb and Doris - just like my DD used to be. A seems to feed a great deal before bedtime and when he does wake it's once for a huge feed on each side and then back down again. Could you try not feeding the babes as soon as they wake up but pat them or rock them or walk them around and see if they drop off? If they keep feeding in little spurts you don't build up the supply to really fill their tums hence they don't sleep as much. Mind you, I never found a way round it for DD until she was sleeping in a different room and we had to do a bit of controlled crying to get her to fall asleep . If it's any consolation, once she caught on to dropping off properly she never looked back and suddenly went from several night wakings to sleeping 8pm - 7am .

Strawb do you need to see your HV much? I never even go to weigh-in - 3rd time around makes one a bit laissez-faire I think. For your PND issues and any health-related issues with Lizzie, could you see a GP you get on with?

Failing that, ignore the silly one and just smile and nod!

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 06/10/2009 10:44

Hello all.

Too DD to the doctor yesterday - it's just a virus but she recommended that she didn't have her jabs.... so now we have to wait until the 19th to have the third set...

She seems better in herself today, which is good, though she still has a chesty cough...

She only woke twice last night, though she screamed the house down on the second waking, which is most unlike her. She fed for 5 mins and then zonked out. She then slept through til 8am so that's good (though I was awake at 6 with DH's alarm... grr...).

Absolutely pissing down with rain here for the second day in a row. Got a friend coming over later for a playdate so that'll at least keep DS busy. It's so hard to entertain him when the weather's crap and he's been in for two days...

Naat - sorry to hear about your awful journey back from London. I lived in Londn for a year and the traffic would often be horrendous for no apparent reason... one of the reasons I moved out, to be honest.

Effie hope your boys feel better soon. Sorry to hear about your complex relationship with your mum.

Doris, Strawberry and Daisy - Severe lack of sleep here too. I hope it improves for you two soon...

Strawberry - at my practice, you can just request a different one... not sure if that varies from practice to practice though....

Right... off to try and entertain the little boy xx

Effielou · 06/10/2009 11:10

Hi All

Doris it sounds like you are having a tough time!! I don't know whether this appeals to you- or whether you've tried it-- but I give a ff to Rupert and that seems to make him last longer at night- it might just give you a longer chunk of sleep x sorry if that doesn't help x

strawberry Speak to your gp-or try and get hold of you old HV! My HV is ok- but not great-- my gp told me that they are a load of rubbish and are obsessed with what your house is like-or what weight the baby is!!! If I have big concerns- then I ask my gp! But you should be able to change xx

Just been on the phone to my mum-- she was actually quite nice and very understanding why I won't take Rupert to her smoky house!!! but that will change when theres a full moon!!! lol

Hi to the rest of you xxxxx