june09 Weaning the babies and shifting the Mummy Tummy!!!

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Here it is, Juners! New thread!!

Just seen the link re cot death and am about how a quarter of babies who died were swaddled! Panicking now as we tried Jazzy in her gro-bag last night and she just wouldn't settle so reverted to the old swaddling thang!

I wish the weather would settle too as one night its cold, the next it's hot.. what to do!!

The worry never stops, does it?

Hi all

Another very quick posting. naat Fraser is still windy but it doesn't bother him quite as much as it has before. The problem is really that it gets 'trapped' where other babies manage to push it through their systems quicker. At least that seems to be the case.

Finally I heard someone on Radio 4 clarify the co sleeping thing. Apparently it relates to babies sleeping 'under the covers' and doesn't seem to include when they are in their grobag on top of the bed without a pillow nearby.

I hate it when they have these alarmist headlines without clarifying some really important details. I am sure there is even more to it - has anyone seen more detail?

Oh and I am really nervous on the mini pill. I am feeling so hormonal at the moment, but without a period, am not sure if it is a cycle thing, a life thing (or god forbid a pregnancy thing).

Now we have decided to stop at 2 I am utterly terrified of becoming pregnant as I couldn't go through with an abortion and would be in a huge predicament. So strange to try so desperately to have a child and then to try so desperately NOT to, but I am so tired it is hard to take the mini pill exactly on time.

hello everyone.

Am exhausted so only wanted to pop on and see how everyone is getting on.

Sister is coming to stay tomorrow until Monday so won't be back on for a while again.

Things are so busy here now. I am finding managing the 3 kiddies more difficult as I go along. Elina is an angel and we are blessed but the running around after DS's, after school activites, feeding schedules, fussy eating DS1, tantruming jelous DS2 etc. are draining me.

Need some rest.....

Take care all xxx

hi all

sorry i havent been around for a while, just haven't seemed to have chance to post recently! had a good read through of your posts though and good to hear things in general are going well

strawberry - sorry to hear about your dh's job, hope he finds something else really soon and in the meantime enjoys spending some tim with dd

littles -so so sorry to hear about your mum. hope she gets better really soon x

daisy - i know what you mean about definitely not wanting to be pg again!! i still havent sorted out any contraception. never taken the pill (and dont really want to!) always used condoms but we both hate them after such a long time without , any good experiences of the coil/implant/injections?? only other option is dh getting the snip!! but he is dead against that at the mo!!

i try not to think about the cot death stats, we have to put our babies to sleep and as long as we are doing our best, putting them on their backs etc, that is about all we can do. it scares the living daylights out of me if i think about it too much tho!

hi to everyone else, sorry for the rubbish catch up (again!) Isobel is not settling tonight, been quite grumpy today, not sure why??!! hope she isnt getting a bug!

Just a quick post from me tonight as I am shattered. I have a sick DH (chesty cough) and a poor boy with a sore tummy Hoping Aaliyah lets me have lots of sleep tonight. Her teeth have been really bothering her and she has nappy rash poor little thing - christening, what christening?!

daisy one of my friends from the antenatal groups got pregnant on the mini pill, and she was taking it properly, was not sick etc, she's just the 1% or whatever it is who the mini pill didn't work for.
I have been using it for almost three months now, have not had a period since the first week I had it. I keep forgetting it so we've been using condoms as well.
I am nervous about not having had a period, the doctor said it's normal but I think I'm going to do a test anyway. I just can't bring myself up to going to the supermarket to get it iyswim, if I was pregnant again I would also keep the baby.

Another friend of mine (who is a GP) says we can take "cerazette" (spl?) which is like a mini pill hormone-wise but has a 12 hour window. The gp did not offer me this (my friend says that it's because it's more expensive to them). I think I'm going to ask him for it.
the GP is really pushing the injection and says the side effects are exactly the same as the mini pill. (but you cannot undo them, you have to wait until the injection wears off in 3 months so depending on the side effect that could be annoying and seeing that we still need to function with looking after the babies (and work for some of us already) I'm really not keen.)

baby stirring...back later!

Err, I am on the mini pill and haven't had a period. Are you all telling me that I have to take it exactly at the same time each day otherwise I could be up the duff? Oh dear. We are planning on trying for our next baby in the new year, and as I had planned not to be pregnant until then (ie try and lose the weight I gained w Delie + enjoy red wine), it would not be good if I was pregnant already.

Co-sleeping makes me worry a bit, but I sleep w Delie every morning - put her in bed next to me and get an extra hour or two. One of my favourite things in life. But amazing how lightly you do sleep w them next to you - if she so much as stirs, I wake and look over. Although have always been a light sleeper - if DH has a dream he is running, his altered breathing wakes me...

Have to run and put together Delie's new cot bed and sort out her room. Poor baby is so cramped in that moses basket...

BTW Naat, MrsMcJnr and everyone else who has organised / is organising a christening/naming day - BIG job to undertake (prob akin to a mini wedding) - congratulations for doing so! Big pats on the back to you for juggling it w everything else you have going on!

Hope you all have terrific days!! ((waves!!))

bunny i'm on micronor and Im supposed to take it at the same time, give or take 3 hours. Which one are you on?

afternoon all

cerazette, PLEASE read the thread about this pill, I had horrible side effects with this one as have many others, including depression, weight gain, bad skin etc. Obviously many people are also perfectly fine with this pill, but best watch out for any side effects if you are taking it or thinking about it. The thread is on post natal clubs, a bit further down from this one.

I wish someone would clarify this whole co sleeping thing, I'm just really confused, we don't co sleep, dh is a really heavy sleeper but it still all worries me. Apparently they have included parents who fall asleep on the sofa (very dangerous from what I can figure) as co sleeping which I don't see also using a pillow nearby or under the baby isn't good, along with the baby being under the covers. They said on the BBC breakfast this morning they had a midwife on to explain it, but certainly at 7.45ish she just confused me more!

Edward was really unsettled again yesterday evening and didn't go to sleep until 11.30ish, I'm really hoping these teeth come through quickly, it's not nice seeing him upset. He's having a lovely sleep now, should go do something useful like erm always seems to be doing but will probably just get another cup of tea!

waves to all

Thanks bigcar well that's put me off...

strawberrysam I think that thread http://mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/397249-minipill-cerazette-specifically-and-depression-anxiet y-sideeffects-a-warning-please?reverse=1 here is probably really interesting for you since you have been diagnosed with PND and are taking cerazette.

and a rant coming up....

I am really getting fed up with the whole contraception dilemna. It looks like there is choice but really there isn't anything that does not carry some kind of risk or side effect to us, why do we have to compromise so much??

I'm just going to have to remember to take the mini pill for now, just like the doctor suggested.
He actually said "you should try an remember it" !!! utterly useless!!!!
I felt like snapping back, instead I just cried on the way back, it's not FAIR is it.

Please forgive my snappiness, I am on the pill ;)

june, I didn't want to completely put you off, just to let everyone know there is the possibility of nasty side effects. I'm sorry but your post just me laugh, of course the cure for forgetfulness is just to remember, simple, that's going to solve all my memory problems now bloody useless doctor!

God, I hate thinking about contraception. Any hormonal things make me fat and depressed so all types of Pill or injection are out; the idea of a coil makes me shudder and barrier methods feel like they're for adolescents.

I guess the basic fact is that Mother Nature is not at all keen on women controlling their fertility, however far scientists have travelled towards the solution . Which leaves men - the snip does seem to be the most sensible option for couples who have completed their family - but so many men think it's the women's responsibility to use birth control, or have a macho attitude, or are plan scared. Vasectomy is a day-surgery procedure with no hormonal side effects. And after all us women have done the pregnancy and childbirth bit... Must have that conversation with DH again...

Afternoon all

Took Alex for his last jags this morning, two weeks late! Weighed him and he is 15.6 1bs (something like 6.9kg) which is just above 50th c so all very averagey here! Still obviously no need for weaning... not that food gives baby many calories in the first few months anyway.

Off to ballet tonight as dh got us tickets for our anniversary, lovely but tis a more modern one so not sire how much ballet virgin dh will like.

On the contraception side I have been for a consultation about getting the copper coil, like erm I want to avoid the hormones. Also like *erm I'd rather like dh to get the snip when we have completed our family, worse comes to worst I guess I can!

Choccie - No wonder you are knackered, I am exhausted with one at school 9-3 and just a baby... Could you maybe get an afternoon off? You know, dh or relative/friend watch the wee ones for a few hours and you could go to cinema/have a massage or a nap?! I hope you get some rest.

Strawberry - Yes someone mentioned biccy pegs to me the other day actually, definitely something to think about in a month or two!

erm/naat/bigcar - I am persevering with finding out about dd's day, it is still frustrating sometimes and I'm not sure what to ask but I am getting a little more info.

llynnn - Nice to hear from you! Research is aq bit of a killer at times; you want to keep baby safe but it sometimes seems like everything is a dnager.

bunny - another light sleeper here! Honestly he barely stirs and I am awake, that's why I rather liked him in dd's room!

Right off to make dauphinoise!

got a teeth related question, friend of mine from antenatal group has noticed her ds has a tooth. WEnt to HV today who told her it's not a tooth but a crystal. but couldn't explain what/how etc, has any of you come across that before? I'm trying to look it up and not having much luck...

June - umm, I am on Micronor too! Lucky I read this thread as clearly I don't read instructions! I will continue w the Pill as don't like any of the other options. Although will conveniently blame the Pill for why I haven't lost any weight at all in the last 2 months!!

Off to finish chicken cacciatore... ((waves!!))

Hi all!

I've been reading all day but I haven't got round to posting.

Sorry to hear about all the contraception ups and downs some Juners are having. I'd really not like having an injection if that means that any side effect has to be endured for months. I also like the idea of DH doing his part when our family is complete Surprisingly, I asked him if he would do it (when I was reading the posts) and he said yes so yay!

Erm, you're so right, with EVERYTHING we go through without saying a word (not really, but it doesn't matter )...

Bunny, hi! that morning nap with the LOs is the best, isn't it? I absolutely love it.

June, never heard of that crystal thing. Quite that the HV was so confusing in her explanation. It does sound like your doctor is trying to just give you the option he thinks is best, but he's not actually listening to you, is he? OF COURSE the best thing to do when being forgetful is to remember things, bloody idiot

LittleS, enjoy the ballet! I absolutely love it but DH is not tooooo keen so we've gone just a few times. Glad to hear things are going well with DD, I imagine your brain going at 100000 revs trying to think of more and new questions You're doing a great job, lady

Choccie, oh dear, you sound exhausted, you poor thing. Hope things get better with the jealousy and the behaviour of DSs at home. Glad to hear Elina is thriving.

Strawberry, it's worth asking the GP when you see her in a couple of weeks about the possible side effects this method might be having on you. Hope she can recommend something else if that's the case.

Bigcar, sorry to hear Edward didn't settle well last night, hope tonight is less eventful. Those new findings re. co sleeping are scary, but it's supposed to be for parents who drink, smoke, take drugs or are very heavy sleepers. Now apparently it's for everyone?

Mrsmc, hope everyone at home is getting better. and that you're managing to juggle all the balls!

Llynn, hi! Nice to hear from you! How's Isobel?

Daisy, glad to hear the wind is not that bad these days. Hope it keeps improving. I also hate alarmist headlines, esp. because they tend to get to me sometimes

Skillbo, nope, I don't think the worry ever stops from now on I'm with you on the weather, some nights are chillier than others. I remember this time last year it was definitely colder.

Right, that was long I'm absolutely knackered and going to bed right now (I'm actually posting from bed LOL) My translator friend and I walked with the babies all the way to town today (it's like an hour) after Mila and I finished our baby massage session and I'm sooo tired. My legs won't be happy tomorrow for sure

Baby massage was very very good. Mila really enjoyed it although it was only legs on this first session. She fed a bit after it and then zonked out for 2.30hs

My eyes are closing, must go. Will be back tomorrow, waves!!!

Hello all - been trying to catch up but its amazing how many posts go on in a day!

So - contraception! I was on the mini pill and started taking it 3 weeks after birth, basically as soon as I could. I was still bleeding and did not stop until I stopped taking the pill (about a month ago now). It was horrible, horrible, horrible! I spoke to my GP about it and he basically said put up with it or wean your DD - by putting 'stop nail biting' solution on my nipples no less . Funnily enough, I also walked home in tears June and we decided enough was enough and are going the condom route. I wish there was a better solution for us all but would like to have more so don't want to do anything too drastic and I haven't heard good things about implants and injections - like Strawb says, I have had friends who had baaad side effects and were buggered for months.

June - teeth crystals.. I have these! I hadn't heard of them either but went to have a wisdom tooth out and they x-rayed me and there they were, perfectly round 'balls' in the middle of my teeth. They are really rare (about one in every million) and your teeth basically grow around them. They're not harmful or anything - they just are. Your friends DS is a special little boy!

Strawb - its lovely having your DP home at times! I am bit of mine because he is becoming a SAHD when I return to work so he'll get to do all the fun things I do at the mo. Having said that, he will also have to put up with the screaming and crying and all the draining things which he doesn't see. Will be nice that he will finally understand why I'm a walking zombie!

Daisy - Jazzy also hangs onto her wind and lets it all out in a lovely fart, poo explosion. I haven't heard of any miracle cures though so just hold my breath and put up with it. It does also trouble her sometimes but just do a bit of tummy massage which can help - have you tried this? If not, I have a couple of 'moves' that seem to help Jazzy which I could tell you about!

Worried - I used to have your problem and then I had my hair cut really short and all of a sudden, I looked my age. I remember being ID'd for alcohol at 930am once (for a work do) and then two days later when I had my hair done a colleague saying 'no-one will mistake you for a teenager now' - not very tactful!

Naat - Jazzy only got to her legs the first few times but we now get all the way through. We love it - by far our favourite group... will be sad once she's crawling and can't go anymore!

Anyways, it's late so should go. My bro is coming down this weekend (maybe) so quite excited as been a while and he's bringing his new girlfriend.

Got Jazzy weighed today and she's 14 and a half pounds now - so pretty average as well but we like that. Still getting gentle pressure to wean but did get a text from the MIL following her weigh in saying that no-one could say my milk was bad, so thats something.

Right - really will go but take it easy all. Hopefully have a good night but trying the gro-bag again following all the swaddling dilemma (asked the HV at the weigh in and she said they're not allowed to recommend swaddling! Funny really as it was in the hospital after Jazzy was born where we got the idea - oh well).

Night night all!

Skillbo WTF is your doctor telling you?! Nobody weans by painting aloes on their nipples! Sounds like something out of the fifties, don't GPs try to stay at least a bit up to date?! Anyway, I'm going to wait to see if the condoms get DH so irritated that he'll go to the vet's. He agrees it's the best thing to do but men are so rubbish about going to the doc's at the best of times and there is that teeny tiny chance of side effects so I do realise it's a big decision to make. He did discuss it with the GP who said she usually recommended waiting a year after the birth of the last child 'in case anything happens to the baby and you might want to have another'. I know what she means but it sounds awful .

Tooth crystals! You learn something new every day on MN

afternoon all

erm, I've been trying to persuade dh to have the snip with no luck, keep telling him he's a wimp, it's the pain thing with him major surgery as far as he's concerned, never mind what I've been through

strawberry and skillbo, there are different sorts of mini pill, it should just be a case of finding the one with the least side effects for you, it's worth considering a different one if everything else is a no no.

littles, hope you enjoyed the ballet! At least that's the last of the jabs for a while.

june, never come across that, very interesting

naat, no Edward went down at a similar time again last night, poor thing, teething this time round is going to be very hard work! Hope your legs are ok today definitely got your days exercise there.

skillbo, your gp is clearly an arse I can't believe he said either of those things to you, idiot (him, that is, not you). Good on your mil, she seems to be getting the message!

enjoy your weekends, waves

Hello all....

No chance to catch up. DD is well. Had her weighted at clinic on Wed and she's on the 70th percentile so BF is going well.

Off out tonight and leaving DH with some expressed milk.... not sure how it'll go, or how he'll get her to drink it. He's got a bottle, a Tommee Tippee cup and a syringe if things get really bad....

DD is back to waking once in the night so I'm getting marginally more sleep. Thank goodness!

DH is going for the snip when we work out whether we want to stop at 2 or go for a third.... who knows. We sway between the two!

Hope all of you are well. Much love and I promise to catch up properly next time xx

heya, hehe, halloween emoticons

I caught up some more with the thread overnight thanks to insomnia and it sounds like we're pretty much all exhausted, don't know what to do about contraception and whether we want more children and when
I finally did a test and it's come up negative. I've taken my pill on time 4 days in a row now (with the help of dh reminding me) so there is hope...

I'm getting a bit frustrated by the amount of people who tell me that C. is too young to be teething. It's definitely bothering her and dirupting her feeding.
I try and occupy her longer between feeds so she is really hungry. She'll have the first round no problem (so we try and go up to 3/4 of the bottle), it's after she's stopped for burping that she starts fussing and tilts her head to one side (buries it under my armpits actually) and then cries if I try and feed her more (even when she is asking for the bottle again.)
I have tried rubbing dentinox gel on and quickly putting the bottle back in and that seems to work (thanks for the tip!!). Or I just wait for the teething pain to pass sometimes 20 minutes and then she takes the bottle again without fussing.
We've also gone up to number 2 teats so the actual emptying of the bottle is much faster.
I've stopped the infacol yesterday as well as I thought it might be something to do with the taste of it (doesn't seem to be so but she doesn't seem bothered not having it anymore.)
Anyway, with all this, we get by.

I'd like to set a night routine as we do not have one yet. Any ideas? I know some of you do a bath, that's a good idea.

mrsmc I hope the situation is improving for you.
insy I think about you every time I sing insy winsy spider ;) I hope being back to work is ok for you and you are enjoying the weekend with the children.
naat I do a massage once or twice a week after a bath and C. loves it Are you done with visitors for now? good luck house hunting, I hated doing that. we were on rightmove.com every evening.
Tee I hope the medication is working out for you and you feel good. How's Adam doing?
C.'s now 15 weeks and 13 pounds (25%)
Ineed hope dd fed with daddy while you were out (anywhere nice?).

ohoh baby stirring! better go