Dec 08 - 9 months in, 9 months out!

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Hope you don't mind the dodgy thread name but all our babies are 9 months old now or in the next few weeks

hi Lady your post made me laugh last night but I had had a few too many gins to reply
I hope you are recovered....

pmk I have had 3 pregnancies, all concieved from one occasion in one month, so I have been very lucky (mc between DC1 and 2). I have a very regular cycle which comes back 2-3 months after giving birth despite full on BF. I did use persona so I knew when my dodgy days were anyway (10-15).

But we didnt even start trying for DC2 until DC1 was nearly a year, I was too exhausted. And I was very relaxed about all 3. DC1 was a happy accident on day 10 mc was a lucky strike. DC2 was another happy accident as I had decided to wait as I had found the mc rather devasting, but accidentally fell on the night of day 15 of my following cycle (thought I would get away with it). I have my fingers crossed for you, I hope you get some good luck soon !

Veggie I understand your desire for another birth. Both my pregnancies were emotionally difficult, DS1 because it really wasnt planned and I was terrified (wasnt sure I wanted to be a mum), DS2 came so close after mc I couldnt relax all the way through, I couldnt think of him as a baby until he was born, it was too upsetting. I think DC3 would be a pregnancy, and birth, I could really enjoy. DC2's birth was induced and tremendously painful but for various reasons I did most of it without pain relief anyway, so I'm not frightened anymore. But I wonder how much a desire for DC3 is based on just wanting to relive those first few moments with the new life.

I know that if I was to have another pregnancy/child it would mean another ~15 months where I could not do what I wanted with the children I have and would be a physical, emotional, and financial strain for us all. Still very very tempted though.

Right, have to pack 2X bags, change 2Xbums, dress 3Xbodies, make 3X breakfasts and clean 3Xteeth, make 2X packed lunches and not be late for work. Better go !

Ahh ladyt I am really sorry to hear of your misadventure. But it reads truly hilarious and so i thank you for cheering me up!

veggie thanks for asking about me. I am okay. Sometimes I get a bit weepy but its just the lack of sleep with everything else. Going to see nan and Grandad this weekend which will cheer me and them up. DH insists I go out tomorrow night with my friends as he said I need to switch off from the kids for a few hours. If I feel like it I might just go for a couple of hours.

JJ hows the cleaning going??

Well, after another bad night with DS coughing/waking/crying/coughing/waking/cryingI decided to take him back to the Dr's and demand something be done. Saw a lovely lady Dr, who looked at me a bit as I ranted about DS coughing for months now and how it wasn't 'normal' and I felt i was being fobbed off as a bit of a neurotic. Now I know 10 mth old babies wake for lots of reasons but after weeks of no sleep the sound of him coughing and at times him struggling to breath for coughing its just too much. She said he definately has no infection (I knew as much but something ain't right) but that he has a 'Viral Respitory(sp) Wheeze' or something. Anyway DS has to have an inhaler 4 times a day, and we have to go back on Tuesday. She hopes that if we can alleviate the wheeze, he might stop coughing as much. I'm game for anything right now if we stand a chance of some more sleep.

Right time for coffee, and hopefully back later.

LadyT - I'm afraid I'm another one amused from your misfortune, but seriously, that must have been a bit frightening as well as annoying and cack. Hope all is brighter this morning.

Daisy - am happy to hear you had a better trip to the GPs. Really hoping it helps and you get some more sleep. Can't be much fun to hear DS suffering either. We have had a few nights lately of DS hacking away (post cold, which cleared up a while ago) and I feel terrible for the poor mite, although somehow he manages to sleep through it. Mind you DH took him to the docs yesterday and came back with antibiotics for an ear infection ?

Hello everyone,

DD and I survived our time apart! Sadly arti I didn't get to stay in a nice hotel, it was ok but definately budget. DH managed OK but did daft things like not pack her dummy for nursery naps - she didn't nap all day poor thing.

ZJ I think the same as you when I look at babies in catalogues and adverts! Ours are so much prettier .

kiwi DD has been off her food for the past fews days and she is getting more teeth. We have been doing BLW but I've been mashing things up to see if that is easier for her. I think BLW is hard once they get a bit older and want food to satisfy their hunger, as it can be hit and miss them getting enough food in. When we're out and about and she is hungry I can't let her chuck/drop food on the floor as I can't pick it back up again. Have you a way of getting round that?! I'm starting to loose my BLW way a bit!

pmk It took us 7 months to conceive DD and I found the book 'taking charge of your fertility' really useful. It talks about how to get to know your cycle and fertile signs etc. It is very detailed and has some pictures of cervixes (cervixi?) that made me . I conceived the month after I read it though! I might dust it off soon

daisy It is just dreadful the way your GPs have been treated. I hope your Granny's MRI isn't too awful today.

ladyT I hope that coffee was like nectar from the gods after all that!

trace Can you post a pic of the sperm keyring? It sounds quite something!

Right, work calls. Urgh!

Hello, and thanks Jolly, glad your work trip went well and dd did great with dh. Yes I've heard that book is excellent, I might try and get it on Ebay or Amazon.

daisy I hope you have luck with the inhaler -worth a try.

njan wow you seem to conceive rather easily! However you seem to be one of the quicker than average ones and after hearing everyone's stories and time frames I am feeling much better. I think it took my mum several months the second time so I'm starting to feel normal again now, rather than feeling 'what the hell is wrong with me' Yes as someone said earlier - it has only been 3 or 4 cycles but it feels like forever so I am putting into perspective now!
Right I'm having aother day of not doing a lot. dh took the car to work with the buggy still in the back and the sun is out so bit of a bummer.
I may have to do some more cleaning - or Ebay purchasing!

I am so stiff this morning after my crazy SAS-style escapade last night. I think I only covered 7 or 8 miles over a period of about 4 hours (ok, I had a break in the pub in the middle of that) so Roger Banister will hardly be quaking in his boots, but trees and barbed wire and streams make for tough going. All I could think when I was being chased by the cows is that I didn't want DD saying, when she was at school, "yes, sadly my mother was killed in a freak cow trampling incident". Fortunately, PMK, I had trainers on for once

Anyway, how is the packing going, Veggie?
Effie - any news on new baby?
Daisy - I know you have mentioned asthma before and I think Veggie said they don't usually diagnose it so young, but it makes you wonder. Poor little chap. Hope the inhaler helps. Still thinking about going out tomorrow evening? It really sounds like you could do with a break.

Kiwi - I bought a roll on vapour rub which is suitable for babies and found it quite good.

Jolly - glad the trip's behind you. Note I am emulating your trip to Bruges next weekend - you inspired me!

So, London tomorrow evening for the annual Cricket Dinner, but I mustn't get too tiddly as DP is picking me up for our trip to Northern France at the weekend. Back Tuesday night, then off to Mum's on Wednesday, then down to London on Saturday, then off to Belgium on the Sunday. So I might not be on here much until a week on Wednesday. Be good! I will miss you all.

Oh, and Kayz - meant to say I hope you are feeling better.

Hooray Daisy a GP that sees sense. This is such a regular problem I think I mentioned it to spot once when MrT was coughing a lot. These coughs start then cause just a teeny bit of trauma in the airways which even once the original virus has gone will exacerbate the cough and so it continues. All that's needed is something to reduce the little inflamation caused by the trauma open up the airways properly and off you go. Inhalers like atrovent do the trick, babies tend to cough rather than having a audible wheeze because they have proportionally smaller airways. Also Daisy I think your DH is right though if it was me going through all your going through I think the first bit of drink down me I'd burst into tears!

Lady I am horrified on 2 fronts at your ordeal, one that you ran out of coffee and two that no where within 4 miles sells coffee! Otherwise I found it all hilarious.

Exactly NJAN for DS1 I didn't enjoy the birth because I was so scared, for DS2 I had the lovely midwife who basically left us to it but I couldn't completely enjoy that almost free birthing experience because I was still a little unsure, but loved the endorphins and experiencing the pretty much textbook hormone releases. So I think for number 3 I could really enjoy a self assured anxiety free birth.

The awful thing is, Veggie is that we actuallly have a shop in the village.

It's just...I don't care for their selection.

One more thing before I go back to my work - I am finding this talk of how long it took people to conceive interesting. I would like another one (if things stay on an even keel with DP) but am waiting to be thinner and for the mists about my future career to clear. But, being 37, I don't want to wait forever. On the other hand, I love dashing all over the place and DD comes with me. I don't think I would find it very easy with two and it puts me off a bit. However, I never wanted an only child. I wasn't that jazzed about pregnancy, though I didn't find it a nightmare, and feel positive about the thought of another cs.

I wrote the above post at midday but must not have actually sent it have just come back to my itouch I realized and have missed several posts so will go back over them now.

But just before that I need your thoughts, I just went out to buy a dress for a wedding over the weekend. It's in Barrow-in-furness. My friends are far from royalty but it's a fairly classy affair I think, men wearing suits etc. I've bought a dress from Emily Brigden (not sure if that's a known brand or not). It's a pale pink number which is kind of a long plain style but it has a kind of lacy sequiny over bit then a silky under bit (sorry I'm sure these bits have names I'm just not good with this sort of thing). We are staying at the hotel where the wedding and dinner is being held so I don't need to be warm, but I'm just worried that it's a bit over dressed. I usually dress fairly conservatively for weddings because I think it's the brides day. I'm just worried sequins might be too much. I realize it's a vague description, and saying sequins makes it sound a bit more 'jazz hands' than it is. I've got a White pasmina scarf thing and nice but simple White flats to wear with it to tone it down. But what do you guys think? Maybe I need a photo of it. I'll see if I can find a link.

Also it was £35 reduced from £160 and a size 12!!!! And it fits properly not in a kind of 'fits with a stretchy bit and won't be able to eat my dinner or even breathe' sort of a fit.

Oh Lady I'm not horrified at you but at your local shop, they are clearly not catering to all members of their community! Please don't tell me they only have instant!

PMK I wonder if maybe your body just isn't ready yet, I think it maybe just wanting to get completely back to normal. Pregnancy and child birth is hard on your body. Also you BF'd until about 6 months so you need to stock up your body with all those good omegas and vitamins to be ready for the next one. My advice would be erm...lay back and enjoy!

veggie - dress sounds lovely. Apparently sequins are very "in" this season, so all you will be is fashionable! Only know this because I bought a fashion magazine to get a discount on a very boring black coat I wanted to buy and that's what they say...In any case, context is all with these things - have been to plenty of weddings where the code is for everyone to dress up as much as possible and not doing so seems a bit disrespectful to the couple.

hey.
another pre-bed sleepy mini-post from me.
ladyt your experience sounded really very scary (and just a little amusing - I hope your muscles recover soon.
veggie i'm no good at fashion but the dress sounds fine for a wedding to me!
daisy really hope the inhaler helps ds. and you should go for your drinks with friends - you really need and deserve some you time.

school phoned me today to say that L had had 2 'accidents' where she weed herself . She's not done that since toilet training days 3 years ago. Also she's been saying she's desperate and going loads. I thought UTI so took her to the gp but her wee is clear. The doc asked if she was worried about anything or if there was upset in the home, which there isn't. She also asked (without L hearing) about any chance that anything 'unthinkable' might have happened - which hadn't even crossed my mind and I'm sure is not an issue. anyway it's a bit odd - she said to take her back if it carries on. L also always brings home a selection of drawings/ pieces of writing/ homemade cards from school and today in her book bag there was a piece of paper which just said "i doant no wot is rong with me". I asked her why she wrote it and she said "it's hard to explain" then just wanted to watch tv. All a bit odd. Or maybe it's just 5yr old stuff.
right need to go to bed.
night all.
enjoy your travels Ladyt - try not to anger any cows...

Oh poor little L something must be up. Is it worth chatting to her teacher. They must have seen the sentence she wrote, (very clever on the sentence creation front). At the very least it is good that she is writing it down like that. Maybe bring it up with her in a few days or get your DH to chat with her about it. But def wouldn't hurt to chat with her teacher. It may just be recent change with P going to nursery and you starting back at work even though it didn't impact on her so much she would have felt the change and it maybe just her way of dealing with it. I'm gibbering now.

I really should go to bed. We are both up late as have been sorting DS1's room ready for my niece who flies in on Monday morning. At the same time purging loads of toys and crap from DS1's room. We have managed to make some good headway into chucking away loads of stuff. DH took a packed carload full of stuff to the charity bins today and we have the same again to take to the tip tomorrow. The only problem is we have spent all that time doing all that and haven't done any packing for the weekend. We are going up tomorrow after DH goes to the tip, but I have my first BF support group in the morning so it will be a quick rush pack when DH is at the tip. At least I have my dress.

Am pleased with DH he has replastered the roof above the shower which was necessary and it looks like someone who doesn't know how to plaster did it, but it's still done and not a bad job. It's just needs painting now.

Right bit of the news then bed.

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trace lovey, I've just popped on and feel so helpless for you. Did you and P get any sleep after you last posted? Is there anything I can do? I'm not far away at all. Have a big hug from me to start the day. And poor L too, she seems such an eloquent girl so I'm sure she'll find the words to tell you how she feels soon xxxxx

trace so for you. I wish i could do something to help. You have had such a rough time on the sleep front since P was born. Its amazing how you cope tbh. I am hoping that you managed to get her settled and got some sleep last night. I also hope that L starts to feel better about whatever is bothering her soon. I'm sure she will tell you whts wrong when she can. I just wish i could do or say something that could make things better for you.

Hello everyone,

Oh trace . Might it be P's teeth rather than just normal night time waking? I really hope you got some sleep in the end.

Re Lucy - as she has only done it at school might it be something is stopping her from going to the school toilets? If it was emotional you'd expect her to do it at home too. I remember going to the toilet even at primary school being a bit of an ordeal - lots of hustle and bustle, girls shouting to each other asking what colour knickers they have on etc. She might then realise she needs to go during lessons but not want to ask. Perhaps you could raise it again over the weekend when things are more relaxed.

veggie Like invisible said sequins are very 'in'. I tried to buy DD some plain leggings in Next the other day and all the non patterned ones had sequins on! Your dress sounds lovely.

LadyT Bruge was just fantastic, you'll have a great time. I'll dig out the name of a great bakery we went to. It had lots of nice veggie stuff, which is a bit thin on the ground I found.

DD has woken from her nap so we're off to town before the rain arrives. Back later.

Oh Trace, is L just drinking more than usual? Eating more salty food than usual which is making her drink more? It's a very literal thought but you never know. What a clever girl to write it down. Otherwise...do you think she is hearing P cry at nights? I think what Veggie says might be right - a temporary thing as she adjusts to you going back to work - or what Jolly says, about going to the loo at school being a bit busy. But poor poor you, with little P's disturbed nights. I wish I could think of something to help I can only cross everything for you. Everyone's rooting for you on here, don't forget it.

Veggie, I think your outfit sounds super!

And Jolly - I'd love the name of that bakery, that'd be fab. Right, ought to dash as I need to pack.

trace - so sorry to see your posts. I too wonder if P's lack of sleeping is subconciously disturbing L? I know DD rarely actually wakes when DS kicks off at night, but she does wriggle and occasionally she'll do or say something. The other night DS was a bit unwell and having a yell. He stopped, and suddenly DD piped up from the bed "That's better! Is the baby happy now?" I said yes and she turned over and went back to sleep. Even if I'm not aware of her waking up, she is definitely tireder all round when DS has been noisy. Anyway, its easy to speculate - lots of hugs to you all, just hope things get better soon.

LadyT - if you're going to Belgium, the Pain Quotidien chain is great - and they have a branch in Bruges. Its great for brunch, and also has salads, sandwiches and stuff. Belgium is pretty hard for veggies unless you really really love baked goats cheese. I have to say a spell living there eventually put paid to serious vegetarianism on my part.

veggie - meant to ask, I was intrigued by your passing mention of a trip to Iran. We lived there for a bit when I was a little girl, would be very curious to go back and see how it matched up with my very patchy memories. I even spoke Farsi when I was small - have pretty much completely lost it, but its a very strange feeling when I hear people speak it. I don't understand a word, but I find myself straining to follow, as it doesn't sound "foreign" to my ear.

Forgot to add earlier that DS was much more settled last night and coughed a whole lot less. Still woke a couple of times but settled back eventually. So whether it is the inhaler or just a fluke, who knows! Guess we'll find out tonight.

I am going out tonight, we are having something to eat too now so much more civilsed. Plus my BF has said she will share a cab back with me if it looks like getting too late or if DS wakes and DH can't sort him out. I am actually feeling rather positive right now

Oh I do hope trace is okay...

Trace Hope you are ok! Poor Lu, hopefully it was just a once off. Invis might have something with P's sleeping subconciously affecting Lu a bit. DS1 told the HV that DS2 doesn't sleep when it is dark and he cries. We always thought he was fast asleep.

Daisy Have a great time tonight!!

Lady Have a lovely time away. I did have a small giggle at your adventure.

Hope you are all ok.

thank you all for your lovely messages. It's such a comfort having the basket there.
P finally went stopped crying at 3am then actually slept till 7, so we did get a good stint. Unfortunately I spent much of that time awake worrying about L, but things do always seem better in the morning. My friend picked L up from school today as I was still at work, and L had another accident in her house . I don't know about school today because I wasn't there to ask the teacher. L told me she had a few accidents so I rang school to check. Her teacher had already gone home but the receptionist thought that L had been dry all day today, so not really sure. Part of me thinks it'll just blow over in a day or 2, and part of me is really worried about whether there is something really wrong. I chatted to my colleagues today (it's handy having experts around me!) who seemed to think her note yesterday was a little odd, but in the context of weeing it made sense. They thought something as simple as a fall out with a friend could cause it, plus the whole Phoebe thing. L sleeps downstairs and P is upstairs directly above L so I guess she can maybe hear the crying - and it is pretty intense at the moment. I agree that it could be teeth with P so I dosed her up with brufen before I put her down tonight.
DH has gone out to the cinema (I'm really pleased because he's been stressed with work this past week or so and needs to chill out) so I think I'll finish my cuppa then go to bed!
Daisy hope you're having a fab time out.
Kayz are you feeling better?

I am sorry for being a misery guts and a tad self-absorbed at the mo. I was thinking last night how I miss Bisou because when you're up in the night she often used to be around, but now that she's busy, and lots of the december babies are sleeping better, there's rarely anyone hanging around on MN in the night. Sometimes i just feel like I want to talk to someone or cry with someone, but then when I think of my RL friends I feel a bit silly ringing them so I don't!
Anyway.
Waffle waffle.
sorry. nighty night xxx