June09: the one where we learn to type with one finger

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Hi all and welcome to our first post-natal thread! Nappy's, colic and burping OH MY!

Come join the conversation as our baby's grow and grow.

Hey girls FINALLY managed to get DH off the computer ? he has been playing bl*y Mafia Wars since 8pm hate FB sometimes. He had the day off today as Aaliyah was too unwell (cold and teething) to subject to waiting around at DS?s swimming class so DH took him and I stayed at home to look after my baby girl and to try and get some housework done but was not very successful. Aaliyah just wants to be held by me all the time at the moment, she won?t even go in her buggy and it is too hot still to carry her around in a sling for hours, hay ho! I am beginning to wonder what possessed me to invite 65 people round to celebrate Aaliyah?s christening in 2 weeks; I only need to do nibbles, on a shoe string!

Right, will try to catch up now

Bigcar ? DS is throwing food and plates etc on the floor at the moment, infuriating! DS is much better thanks and Aaliyah is getting there, her temp is back to normal tonight ? it was only slightly up but that worries me. Congrats to your DH on passing his driving test.

Ermintrude ? LOL at the stickers your DS1 gets My DS really enjoyed baby massage and I only stopped a few months ago when he wouldn?t put up with it anymore Aaliyah loves it, especially on her back I do it as part of her bedtime routine every night. I agree with you about the power to communicate without words, I sometimes wonder if that is why DS says so few words, he doesn?t need to as I understand what he wants most of the time.

Naat ? thanks they are both much better. Sounds like you know more nursery rhymes than the average British parent already Have a wonderful weekend in London, I hope Mila wakes you up less over the next few nights. Thanks for the offer to send over the teething rings, really kind of you I have my MIL on the case (she comes back over in 2 weeks)

Llynnnn ? a clone would be a great idea!

June ? hope you are packed and getting into the holiday spirit! I passed my driving test on the 3rd attempt too. I am adamant that I would have passed the 2nd time had the examiner not been examined at the same time, even her examiner in the back seat said she would have passed me I ran a legal recruitment company for a while and am firmly of the view that a CV can extend beyond 2 pages as long as there is no waffle. The secret is a well directed covering letter highlighting the things you think the company would find most attractive about you in my opinion. I too check Aaliyah?s mouth every day for teeth, hoping that she will suffer less once they are here. We have shutters on the windows here too; it does make a difference to everyone?s sleep pattern I think. Lovely BFP story Interesting about the peanuts, thanks for posting that, how I missed peanut butter when I was pregnant!

Skillbo - Reindeer is cute not quite sure what to get Aaliyah for Christmas, she has a lot of hand-me-downs but it would be nice to get her something of her own. If Aaliyah wakes in the night and she won?t settle again after a few pats, I do try to feed her but that is because that is normally what she wants! Where in Spain are your folks? I live in Spain I thought AK?s weaning programme was good, it introduced DS to lots of flavours and textures and once I got the hang of pureeing, it was quite fun and satisfying.

Littlesarah ? I was a chatterbox at school too, later on the teachers call that ?taking an active part in class? Hope you are enjoying the orchestra. My HV ran baby massage classes for free in Whitburn. Thanks for posting about the BLW book, might get a copy and see what it is all about before I decide how to wean Aaliyah. As I said to June, I worked as a recruitment consultant for a while albeit for lawyers only, would be happy to look at your CV for you if you like. I know what you mean about wanting to get things done when you only have one child at home, I do feel guilty about it sometimes.

Hey Daisy, glad to hear that Fraser is sleeping for longer now at night.

Choccie ? hope you have a fabulous weekend! It?s pretty hot here again now, got to 30c yesterday.

Strawberrysam ? so glad to hear that Lizzie?s sleeping is getting better must have been hell when she was waking up so often in the night.

Tee ? great to hear that Adam slept so well last night, hope it continues.

Ineed ? your nights sound tough too, hope they improve very soon.

Silkcushion ? glad to hear you are settling well into work. Sounds like November could be a bit taxing in your house.

Worriedamy ? Surestart is a great thing isn?t it? They had a large presence where we lived in Scotland. Sorry to hear about the scary Calpol incident. Ideally I?d like to try for another baby Feb 2010 time but it heavily depends on what DH is being like towards me and whether our relationship can stand the strain of another child

hey!

Not quite finished packing or work but really need to get some sleep and I can do the last bits tomorrow morning before leaving.

Have a good time whatever you do and see you on the new thread ;D

Well I haven't actually slept tonight yet. Insomnia is raging. It's such a nightmare as DD has only woken up at 2 for a feed and has zonked back out again so it looks like it would have been a good night's sleep for me...

worried - so sorry to hear about the scary Calpol incident too. My DS suffered from febrile convulsions and I know exactly that heart-stopping, gut-wrenching feeling where every part of your body is screaming 'BREATHE'. He's grown out of them now (thank GOD). SO pleased to hear that there are no ill effects.... we just have to wait and see if DD has inherited the same problem (I had them as a child - my dodgy genes at work there!)

June - have a great time

Too fried to respond individually. Won't get any sleep now until DH is back from work and I can skulk back to bed......

Happy days!

Morning ladies. A was up at 1.30 and then 5.15 and I know that lots of you have it much worse but I'm old enough to be your grandmother and can't cope with it .

bigcar I passed my driving test first time and I really didn't deserve to because I was pretty rubbish . I was also a cute blonde 23 yr old and rather played up to the geeky examiner. . Needs must... and I am a good driver now, not a danger on the roads, honest!

Ineed so sorry your insomnia is troublesome at the moment. Sleeping is my special skill and I appreciate it more every passing year.

LittleS I'd second what MrsMc says about covering letters. I used to specify: letter of application and CV but some applicants used to just send a letter saying 'here is my cv'. The letter is the actual application in which you pull out the relevant elements of your CV to demonstrate that you understand the job description, are equipped to carry it out to a high standard and actually want to do it! Good luck with it.

MrsMc Try for another this coming Feb! . Would that give you three under the age of 5? I take my hat off to you!

Hope Aaliyah gets over her cold and becomes less clingy soon, bless her. For the christening - buy some crisps .

Got a friend coming for coffee; had better clean the whole house from top to bottom pick things up off the floor so she doesn't trip.

Hi all.

Hi Strawberrysam congrats on Lizze xx

Well managed to sort out virgin- pain in the bums that they are-- and we are now back on!! I really missed not having the laptop x

I've had a quick read, while juglling boobs a baby!!!

My BFP story found out 28/10/2008. We had been trying for 8 months, lots of babydancing, shoud have got shares in clearblue!!! I have PCOS, so never knew when I was ovulating- so just did the deed when my mucus went egg white like!!! TMI I had cooked tea, and went to POS after- expecting a BFN!! After I POS- I gav it to DH- expecting him to gently tell me that we weren't pg but he said ( BTW he always checked the stick, so we could share together!!) and he said what to 2 pink dots mean!!! And then I was dancing around the kitchen with DD she did a grand job of keeping it a secret- I was dreadful!! ( DS1 took 11months-- DDwell, we were only together for 6 weeks had split up did the test- on mums prediction!! and took seconds to turn pos! So we would have been together 2 weeks when she was conceived!- I had known him for 10yrs- so no random stranger!! We got back together 2 weeks after she was born and we have lived happily ever after!!!)

Weaning I was eating my roast chicken and Rupert was smacking his lips together so loudly so think hes getting interested. I mentioned to HV and has he was 4 weeks early- I have to wait longer- but as hes a chunky monkey- I think he'll cope x

I'm off to the Drs later- after my tearful outburst I'm feeling much better but still have an overwhelming sense of guilt!! I don't know why but its just me!! I think, as a mum, you are to protect your growing baby- I took folic acid ddn't drink alcohol- etc and my baby came out poorly!! Didn't know I was pg with DD-- so drank, i used to smoke ( gave up when I found out), took strong painkillers for my arthritis, had pelvic x-rays and she came out perfect! I think it stems from Mum blaming me for her taking an overdose- so its easier to blame myself- so others can't hurt me!! So we will see if the dr thinks whether I need some help!!! eke I usually ok- so I hope its nothing x

Hope you are all well and your babies are still just as gorgeous as ever-- even wth broken sleep xx

Hi ladies,

A quick one for me as I'm packing for the wkend and leaving the flat in a decent state

Effie, (((hug))) hope you feel better soon. Good luck at the doc's. Lovely BFP

Ermin, I told DH about the alternative of walking Mila when she wakes at night and he thought it was a good idea. He acknowledge that maybe the first few nights would be difficult but that it would maybe pay off. The thing is, as you mentioned, I'm quite tired and it's so much easier to feed her for 20 min that to get up, walk around and have her crying for God knows how long I don't know Sorry to hear you had a hectic night to what you're used to LOL at your driving test story

June, have a lovely time in Cyprus!!!

Ineed, so sorry to hear about the insomnia Hope you manage a nap when DH comes from work.

Mrsmc, hi! Hats off to you from me as well on having 3 DC under 5 by next year. Hope A feels better today.

Bigcar, DH also passed on his second time He really wants me to learn but it's a bit expensive + the test is sooo meticulous! The reasons why you can be failed are just crazy sometimes

Right, an eventful night again, up twice if I don't count the one at 6.30am. I have a slight headache as well

Off to London at 1pm, will catch up with you all from there as I'm taking my laptop

Hope you have a nice day, waves to all!!!

afternoon all

MrsMcJnr, I have made a note not to mention mafia wars to dh as he's just signed up to fb (don't know why, he's an unsociable git ) and it sounds his kind of thing I can add ready made dips to ermins list Hope A is having a better day, poor little thing. I was the opposite at school, my report always said, could participate more in class discussions!

ineed, hope you manage to catch up on some sleep

erm, you big flirt A covering letter saying, here is my cv we used to do this kind of thing in the last year at school, I take it they don't anymore!

effie, pleased you got it sorted and are back! Hope all goes well with the doctor. It's a perfectly normal reaction to blame yourself, but honestly it's not your fault

naat, just a thought, is M warm enough at night, it's just the only time Edward wakes at night is when both his sleeping bags are in the wash and he kicks the covers off. The weather in London is lovely today, although tomorrow isn't supposed to be so nice, have a lovely time. Dh didn't have that many driving lessons, he did most of his practising in our car so it was the extra insurance more than anything. I couldn't believe it when he said lessons cost over £20, I thought when mine went up to £9 a lesson it was daylight robbery! Never mind the cost of the theory and practical tests but it will be worth it in the long run, it gives us a little more flexibility

have a lovely weekend, waves to all

MrsMcJnr - My 'pacifist' sister is mad about mafia wars, tis crazy! Thank you and ermin muchly for the covering letter advice, I have been trying to do something application-esque with it. Will also obviously try to personalise with regards to each organisation I send it to, it all takes rather more work than you realise! Definitely need someone to proof so you may indeed find your inbox a little full over the weekend! Oh, just remembered, I think my test will be at Sighthill, argh!

ermin - Nice work passing first time, dh did that too (but I don't think he did much flirting with his male examiner!) so I am feeling a bit of pressure. I might have to give your technique a go. Also thanks for the reassurance re the stickers, I hadn't thought about it that way.

Ineed - Sorry to hear your sleep is still suffering. Alex didn't wake til close to 6am this morning, so bizarre. He did wake about 2am but went back to sleep when I gave him back his dummy. I do not get it but I can only hope he is going to keep it up for longer than last time.

Naat - You too are doing so well on so little sleep. Walking could help, I really hope it does! Wish I had some good advice for you. I became shy later too! I think due to some not so nice children I met at high school, grrr. Still am back to being chatty again, but not nearly so non-stop!

June - I totally agree about keeping the CV short and sweet. interesting what you say about thinking about the company and whether you'd be happy there etc, that hadn't really occurred to me. I was just planning on sending to all and sundry and just being grateful if I got any positive responses! Still, I certainly don't want to go into a job just because it is a job so I think that is a great point. I shall stick to the places I could see myself working happily. Thanks!

Off to my sister's birthday tea tonight. Glad I don't have many weekend plans, just want some relaxing time! Went to Space NK to get her a fancy mascara and then my mum bought me some eyeshadow... so it was quite a happy trip.

Alex has slept loads today, no idea why but at least I've managed to get bits done!

Anyway, I had better finish such bits and then wake the wee man up or he'll never sleep when he should!

Hope you're all looking forward to the weekend!

xx

Morning all.

Just a quick hello, I'm still alive.

Adam has been Mr Difficult baby this week, culminating with a 530 wake up this morning with continuous crying until 7 when he threw up all over me and fell asleep until 9. He's just finally had half a bottle and is playing in his bouncy seat and laughing.

BABIES!!!

Hey ladies, have had a bad week with DH I don?t like going on about it all the time on here as it?s not the purpose of the thread and you have all been so sympathetic to date and I don?t want to frustrate you all by going on about it but doing nothing about it. In short, his anger and nastiness towards me is more the rule than the exception these days. When we do have a good day (like a lovely family day out in Malaga last Sunday) I am so happy and feel fine about everything but when he is yelling at me and overreacting about the smallest thing I feel wretched. Yesterday was one of those days. He verbally attacked me three times. Morning, lunchtime and evening. All over nothing but all vicious verbal attacks using really personal insults. I was so hurt and exhausted from it all that I made and ate dinner in silence after putting the kids to bed then had a bath and went to bed but I cried for hours in the bath and in bed and did not sleep well. Aaliyah was up twice again in the night so that doesn?t help. I have tried to be objective and see if I have a big part to play in these rows but I don?t think I do, I never instigate them but I do prolong them I guess as I do fight back and won?t be quiet just for an easy life. One minute DH says he is not happy here in Spain and wants to go back to Scotland but also knows that there is nothing there for us just now and then says he wants x kind of house here, or y car. I wish that instead of getting annoyed about the things he doesn?t have (big house, expensive car, cash) he would appreciate all the blessings he does have as he just doesn?t seem to see that he is spoiling our family life. Slowly but surely he is chipping away at my love for him and it hurts me like hell, I never thought he and I would have problems like this. I thought we were soul mates and I have loved him so long and so hard that I don?t know myself without those feelings for him. Maybe this is an excuse I am making for the severe change in the man I married but I am very concerned that he is actually displaying some of the traits that is mother does. She is bi-polar. I cannot work out what triggers DH?s outbursts and that is one of the reasons I am wondering if it is chemical. Does anyone know anything about the condition? Are there natural ways to curb the highs and the lows? Thanks for listening that in itself fortifies me

Will catch up now

mrsmcJ it does sound a bit bi-polarish to me as well. St John's Wort, which you can get in liquid or table form at most health food stores or the vitamin aisle of your local pharmacy, is suppose to be a natural mood stabilizer.

It never worked for me, but then I turned out to not be bi-polar!

Anyway, I would also encourage him to go to the GP.

Hi all,

Will catch up later but I didn't want to leave Mrsmc's post unanswered.

Oh, Mrsmc, it does sound like you're not having much improvement from his behaviour, doesn't it? He cannot treat you badly, I know you know that anyway, but if you're having such ups and downs as a couple and it's mostly because of HIS ups and downs then maybe his mum's bipolar disorder might be playing a role there.

Do you think he might go and get tested? I think you said before he didn't want to go and get couple's counselling with you so I don't know where he would stand on the whole testing thing.

I'm so sorry you're going through this, I guess what makes you the saddest is seeing he's not whom he used to be with you I can only offer you lots of hugs, and I know I speak for all, all the support you might need. (((hug))) xxx

StrawberrySam ? poor Lizzie and poor you, it is really hard on you both when they are not well. Hopefully she will be better tonight. Have you got a sling that you can walk around with her in? When I get frustrated at having to hold Aaliyah because I have things I have to do, I put her in the sling and that seems to give her a Mummy fix and then she is happy to play on her mat or sit in her chair for a while.

Tee ? sounds like a bad night! Quite a few of us were up at 5am! I was also up at 2am with Aaliyah and at 3am because the neighbours woke me up, she was on her mobile on the balcony, who on earth was she speaking to at that time!?

Aaliyah is pretty grumpy at the moment, crying and whinging a lot, it?s often because she has rolled over and can?t remember how to get back or is trying to lean forward in a seat but it is pretty irritating where has my serene happy baby gone?

Littlesarah ? you are amazing! You seem to get so much done and have so much going on in your mind. I have so many half baked projects on the go and the days rush by and they all remain unfinished! Glad to hear that you had a better night?s sleep last night. Hope you had fun last night too; I love Space NK ? sigh ? another shop I miss!

Bigcar ? absolutely, keep your DH away from Mafia Wars! Dips are a good idea, not easy to find here but I will try somewhere like lidl.

Naat ? hope you are having a lovely weekend in London

Hey Effie your BFP and relationship stories were interesting and lovely really sorry to hear about the feelings of guilt you harbour, you are an incredible mother, look at the care you took of Rupert when he was newborn when you also had two other children to care for. You are an amazing woman. Your history with your Mum sounds complicated but how can she blame you for her own actions like that? Xx

Ermintrude ? what is it with our babies and their night waking again just when we thought that was behind us?? Another baby in 2010 would give me 3 under 3 I know, I know but so far the 15 month gap between these two has worked well and if we do have a 3rd I can?t see us having a 4th so I wouldn?t want the 3rd to feel left out (my sister felt like that, my next sister down is 23 months younger and then the next one is 9 years younger). I?ll also be 36 this year. In saying that, if a 3rd is to be my last maybe I have time to wait longer and enjoy the two I have before I have my last one and maybe DH and I will be in a better place then. Who knows. I am very selfish wanting a 3rd I know, I just do. Crisps are a very good plan, lots of!

Ineedmore ? awful to have insomnia with small kids to care for, poor you.

June ? have a lovely holiday

Hello ladies!!

How are you all?? Have a VERY quick skim read and it sounds like you are all well and, as always, we are encountering the same issues at the same time.

Quick Delie update - she is rolling over compulsively. And has started drawing the legs up under her. She works herself up into a bit of a state about it all - cannot let herself rest when tired, just keeps on going while yelling etc. So I have to take her off the playmat. I thought putting her into her Jumperoo would help, but she is bashing away at the toys and shrieking. God help us! OK, just moved her to her swinging chair because that seems to relax her a bit. I am now on the hunt for the right cot bed because she literally fills the moses basket. A bit conflicted about moving her to her own room (cot bed won't fit in our room) and worried about how to make it safe from a SIDS perspective, but have to do it. Will miss hearing her funny little fartays and sighs, though.

LittleS - when I first when for my driving test, the instructor had to pull up the handbrake so I didn't hit another car. So I didn't exactly pass that first time. It took a boyfriend to tell me I wouldn't ever get my licence to make me get it, just to prove him wrong. Kept the licence, but didn't keep him.

Our BFP story is that we agreed years ago that from 1 August 2008 we would try and get pregnant (negotiated w DH and that's as long as he would agree to wait). So I went off the Pill and mid September we went to NYC for a fun week of bonking, drinking, eating, shopping and sightseeing. (As an aside, Lehman Bros collapsed on the Monday we were there! GFC had properly started and the mood in NYC was heavy and everyone was feeling quite uncertain about what the future held). 6 weeks later we did the test and the stick couldn't have been clearer! We photographed the stick and went to the opera that night, elated, and toasted our baby w the 1 glass of champagne between us. Wonderful day!

Have negotiated w DH again, and we will be trying for another little one in the new year. DH announced during the week that he loves Delie so much he wants "loads" . We will not be having loads. I can do this one or MAYBE two more times only!! Don't enjoy being pregnant, and childbirth + 1st month is tough. Its only now that I am finding her fun and that our time w her is really enjoyable. There's a little person starting to emerge!

MrsMcJnr and Ineed and everyone else who is back to their normal size - sooo impressed w your weightloss - congratulations!! That's a fantastic achievement! I still have a long way to go, so have started running. I look a sight!

Naat - enjoy your weekend in London!

Effie - of course it doesn't make sense that you feel guilty, but emotions and logic don't really sit nicely together, do they? Hope the Dr helps!

Delie is making an odd noise and wants out of the swinging chair! DH is sick today so am on solo childcare duties - its going to be a loooong day!

((Waves)) to all you other lovely Juners!!!

Really appreciate all the support. Does anyone know what bi-polar testing would involve? there are at least 6 people down MILs side with the condition so maybe there is quite a chance DH could have it or something along those lines.

MrsMcJnr, no personal experiece of bipolar but just googled, test for bipolar disorder, you get loads of questionnaires come up. Obviously no substitute for seeing a gp but may give you a clue.

afternoon all

littles, hope you had a good evening yesterday

tee, no sleep is no fun, hope A is happier now he's thrown up

strawb, sorry to hear Lizzie hasn't been herself after her jabs, hopefully she'll be her old self soon.

naat, hope you're having a good weekend, weathers a bit on the dodgy side today!

bunny, Delie is well and truely on the move now Edward gets his knees underneath him, tis funny to watch I think overheating is one of the main risks with sids, so keep the room at a suitable temperature, feet to foot in the cot with not too many covers, avoid anything that may go over her face, soft toys, covers etc and leave the doors open so you can hear her.

MrsMcJnr, don't know what to say, just sending you huge amounts of ((((hugs)))) and keep coming on here and telling us whatever you need to

waves to all

Christ, how insensitive do I seem?? Sorry MrsMcJnr - I did not ignore your post, I took so long to write I didn't see your post. Am truly sorry you have having such an awful time w your DH. You sound so wounded and confused (I would be the same) - it must seem unbelievable that its your DH who is behaving like this. I hope you can find a way to deal with this soon. Am also sending you very unMN hugs!!

First of all, this is post 999...who wants to start a new thread?

Second of all mrsmj there is no definitive test for Bipolar disorder or, really, any mental illness. He really needs to go see a GP who can refer him to a psychiatrist. I was misdiagnosed as bipolar for years before someone noticed that I actually had anxiety disorder and borderline agoraphobia. Once that was determined, and the right meds were found, and it really was trial and error with meds for quite awhile, I have been much much better.

Feel free to message me on facebook or send me an email at Tee AT Leyser.org (normal formatting) if you want to talk some more.

Hi all!

I'd start it but don't remember the name suggested Anyone remembers?

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