August 2008 - 8 months and still not sleeping though the night....

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you'd think after 33 threads we'd have all the answers by now.

woohoo dd is down for a nap.
sazzles she didnt look tired and didnt rub her eyes, but as we have been to toddler group this morning I presumed she must be. Layed with her though, took about 15 min.
Ds is awake though, hoping In can persuade some food and then get him down, only seems to want bfeeding today.

sambo hope you and ds are feeling better soon.

buckets apparently what makes you bad makes you better, if you can face it.

steak hope you enjoy the picnic.

vg have a good cry, i usually feel better.

ts hope dd1 enjoys her friend staying over and she gives your ear a break

hope all travelling have good time and safe journeys.

PMSL No1 I am well and truly on the "I'll never drink again" bus (with satnav set to nearest pub of course.)

Good travelling Oops and Expectant.

DH knows better than to make pronouncements, esp after I didn't speak to him for a 24hrs when he said 'we need to eat less crap.' Total mars/venus moment LOL, he actually meaning 'I need to eat less biscuits' and being oblivious to the idea that I might take it as an insult to my cooking and husband-caring skills. When he does come up with an idea about running the house, it's usually slapped down fairly quickly by me being offended that he didn't realise I'd already thought of it, analysed, maybe even experimented, and discarded it. It's my feckin JOB mate!!! How would he like me advising him at work?

Anyway, forgot to pick up DS1 from pre-school AGAIN. Was having lovely shop in Asda with Kurt when the mobile rang. Luckily DS1 was in a good mood and we were able to rush back to Asda, find my abandoned trolley and finish the shop. It was a good shop and I was very loathe to leave it.

Lol at leaving a good shop. Hope you are feeling a little better. Glad ds was ok.

Well dd napped for 2 hours, so she up but now ds just gone down.
would be good to get them down at the same time really. must try harder
I had to leave him to settle cry it out for nearly half hour.

pf Have been thinking about you, hope you are feeling ok

buckets what was in your trolley? ? Love a good supermarket shop .

We've all just had chicken and spinach risotto. the chicken and stock were from last nights' roast chicken. yum yum. Dh, ds and i loved it - dd is not a risooto fan.

On the Thursday before Easter my supermarket shop all went through the till and then my card refused. The very nice people bundled it up for delivery and kept it until I could come back and pay.

Supermarkets here are OK, but there is much nicer pre-prepared food in the UK - basics are cheap here, but non-basic items are pricier than the UK was at Christmas. Fruit and veg is cheap, but not as good quality as the UK.

Beef is very cheap as the government controls the price. Apparently it's a necessity. Am still not getting all the cultural bits yet.

2 nights ago DS slept from 7.45 to 3.30. Wo Hoo. Last night the first wake up was 9.30.

Maybe part of the problem was that I didn't quite get the "hungry, but not too hungry, not to tired" moment for food quite right.

Ok so bed time going horribly wrong here.
Have started rapid return with dd not sure if it is the way to ,on return number 8 she is now crying.
Ds is also crying I am also going in and sushing.

This started at just after 7, so far I calm.
Ds is settling I think.

I have siad before this goes against the grain with me but for some reason feel I need to do it.

Ds has had 9oz of Formula so can't be hungry.
I have burped him so cant be that.
I know he just wants picking up (I know not abad thing really)

On return number 12
So far she has shouted 'nose'
as in wipe it.
'knee' for cuddle
'nappy'
thrown herself on floor in her room 3 times.

Is this really worth it.

I am just really struggling with bed time at the moment so feel its my only choice.
Tried the usual on bed together, but he just squirms and wriggles to see dd and then they both end up giggling at each other cute frustrating.
I know I am waffling, just need some support,encouragement guidance or someone to tell me if i am being cruel

she is obviously upset/confused but if I give in I cant go down this road again can I??

oh god what am I doing.

Think I need bigger house so they cant hear each others crying.

No1 I did it with DD1 and had to do it when DH was at work because it was hellish and he couldn't do it. I remember sitting on the step outside her room crying wondering if I was doing to right thing, it took a wee while but now she sleeps like an angel

nobody can tell you what to do but go with how you feel on this and we'll help all we can

very tired today, had a bit of a day (don't ask - it involved a police control room, a huge amount of foul poop and a 2yr old running about in nothing but pull up pants ) so off to snuggle in with DH and fallasleepsnoredribbleonhim watch tv

thanks dizzy its killing me, but ds is asleep.
dd not happy.
I feel I have to see it through now as its been almost 50 min, will prob be more cruel if I stop ind it all be for nothing.
The crying has stopped its just the noise/whine iykwim.
I have seen RR on House of tiny tearaways and saw a mum put her ds back 197 times

We are on about 25.
Here bashing of wardrobe now....

do you have a book or a list that needs writing so you can do something productive? or MN of course will help you take your mind off it

no1 no advice here, just lots of hugs and moral support. I see people say on here a lot that consistency is key wrt sleep routines but only you can judge as you know your girl best. Just remember: you are doing it for her benefit first and foremost, to help her get a good night's sleep, even if she doesn't appreciate that

Expectant Rugby eh? That's quite near Leicester...

lol at LoveBuckets rushing back and forth to Asda

Had a lovely afternoon with friends and babies; the latter all socialised on the floor of John Lewis cafe while we drank tea and chatted. Made up for how thoroughly depressing town centre is atm, aswarm with - and I am sorry to be all Judgey La Rue but this is what I have observed today - young mums pushing unshaded prams around town, either ignoring their kids or snapping at them to STFU in between chatting nonstop to their mates/on mobiles. I hate seeing parents swear at little kids, makes me very sad. Muttering under breath when pushed to the limit of temper, yes - swearing into kid's face, no.

cyteen thanks.
I hat that makes me so angry.
I saw the tiniest baby in a umberella folding stoller the other day with no liner.
Just plonked there all scrunched up. I am sorry but I just hate to see this.

DD still awake lost count on rr, (not crying though)just feel soooo awful not talking. I understand I am not supposed to communicate.

I feel I have to do it as I need to be able to settle ds in his room with no distractions. So I want dd to be happy and comfortable going in her own bed while I do this.
I dont mind if she stays awke and has books etc... while I come back, I am quite happy to let her have a cuddle too.
It is just getting draining laying with her till she falls asleep in her or our bed. She has no preferance as long as I am there.

I think it will be better in the long run.
I realise I now need to carry this in on the night, if she decides to come and get in with us.

Oh and cyteen to add to that I also hate to see babies with no socks, coats and hat on when its farking freezing outside too.

All is quiet

No1 My DD always hated having her door shut so I just used to threaten her with that. On one occasion I shut it and the handle fell off on the outside (was v old bakelite one.) Luckily her window was open and I was able to climb out onto the extension roof and get in. Have to say her trauma did reinforce the threat though so not all bad. We used to do RR with DS (didn't know it had a name actually) and that was hard because suddenly he was charming and funny and wanted to engage with me after ignoring me all day. The repetition and boringness of Mummy gets to them in the end.

Albs Was my fix of CHEEEEEEESE that drew me back LOL. Did you know you can do risotto in the microwave? Saves you having to stand there stirring. You just need a big or highsided bowl.

Cyteen Know what you mean, tis one of the reasons we cut short our Butlins break last year!

Round here people pronounce Asda Aaaasderrs. Which is weird because there's no r in it.

BTW why not make the midnight calls your DH's job to carry her back? One child each seems fair.

buckets he wont, he cant stand it when she gets upset, which is why she has ended up in our bed during the night. I am the one that takes her back and sits in the cold with her till she falls asleep. Then flit between her and ds.

She hates door open, she likes it dark.
She is asleep now, so it did work, Its just horrible when she was wrapping legs round me when I was putting her back to bed.

I did chuckle when she started reeling off random things though.

Also due to dh working shifts bed time is always down to me so she doesnt cooperate for him very well anyway.

I have never had Risotto
Is that bad??
Is it really nice and easy to make??
I have been eyeing it up recently and might give it a try.

The random looking for things to keep you there continues, my 5yr old is a champ and her dad is a total sucker, gets drawn into the most unconvincing whinges. I have a zero tolerance policy about food, drinks, conversation, getting out of bed, basically anything fun after 7pm.

Yes easy peasy. Zap some chopped onions for a minute. Stir in 125g risotto rice per person, 250ml hot stock per person. Cover and zap for 10mins, stir and test. If too crunchy zap a few mins longer, if too thick stir in more stock. Then stir in cheese and any cooked meat, fish or veg you've got, re-cover and let stand 5mins to heat through.

I ended up roasting all my green peppers and making a pepper and broccoli quiche (hmm dairylicious as DS1 is out with Grandma tomorrow) and whizzing up the rest for baby cubes. Not sure what baby will make of them mind.