Sept 08: the thread for when they may start crawling, and there will definitely be some separation anxiety bawling ....

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Welcome ladies

Well, there's no crawling going on in our house, but there's defo some separation anxiety bawling going on .... tears, screaming, the works - oh joy!

T went to bed at 8:30pm last night and was not heard from again until 7am this morning
This has never ever happened before in his life.

Debi sorry to hear about your gran, but glad she has had a good run.

NC and DG T could not be less interested in crawling/standing etc! My friend's baby is 10 weeks younger and does just as much as T, and is desperate to start moving around, while T just lolls in the baby gym

Imo I've never co-slept, but always wonder about the waking the baby effect - have a cousin who reckons her babies continued to wake for feeds all night until they were one and moved into own beds because she was right there, but then I have co-sleeping friends with babies that have slept through from 8 weeks. Suppose it depends on the baby. T has been in own cot, falling asleep in own cot, since he was about 3 months old, and still an appalling sleeper.

hi ladies hope you all had a nice weekend.
els is doing ok we're off swimming today, the good hing about seeing the physio, is the use of the private pool with a phsio to help with the exercises.
quick question, does anyone elses LO's bite down when on the nipple, if so how do you stop them? it wasn't so bad when he has no teeth but now he has top and bottom they're getting a bit sore
what is everyone doing about the separation anxiety? I've resorted to sneeking out when hes asleep in his dads sling.

imoscarsmum we're having exactly the same thing with Effy. She loves her food but has gone right off the milk. She only has a little when she wakes (more interested in banana and rice cake which she has to sustain her until breakfast at nursery) and she often refuses her bottle during the day. The only time she's really interested in her bottle is the one just before bedtime.

argh, after toying with the idea of dropping the daytime feeds last week I now seem to be constantly breastfeeding.

hopefully I think T and my DS have swapped nighttime routines.

DS was up at 9:30pm (again) after having a massive roast chicken dinner a very splishy splashy bath and a breastfeed that finished at 8:30. So we didn't pick him up, just went in every ten minutes to shush-pat. He finally stopped crying at 10:40pm. Horrible, cruel parents. But, I thought, at least he's down for the night now. He never wakes after a massive cryathon. Oh no no no no. He woke at 1am for a feed and 4am for a feed. Then would not go back in his cot, so came into our bed at 5am to snooze till 7am. Why?? He wasn't teething, he wasn't particularly hungry, he wasn't wet or cold or hot. He just wanted me. I know I should be enjoying these night time cuddles because they'll soon disappear, but but but WHY???? Even CC doesn't work (after I said I wouldn't do it again).

My mum thinks its separation anxiety. She didn't use those words exactly, she said he just wants you, he's not hungry but it's the closest way he can be with you thats why he'll fall asleep when you feed him.

So I guess we're just going with it for a bit till he grows out of it.

The separation anxiety has been a big shock to me as DS didn't have it at all. Effy literally cries her eyes out - and she only does it to me, not to gher daddy. The only thing I've found to do is do things as quickly and briskly as possible. I'm trying to stick to the rule of telling her I'll be back rather than sneaking out but my word it's hard when her eyes well up and she looks at me with such disappointment.

barnpot I hope Els swimming session was fun .

Sorry to hear about your Gran being so ill debi. I hope she is comfortable and being looked after well.

I think DD had her seperation anxiety at the start of the year and she's ok now. TBH I don't think she'd bat an eye at whoever I left her with, she is more interested in boshing her toys on the floor these days. She is crawling forwards at last so she is concentrating on that now.

I just picked up DS from nursery and he had got a 'little star' sticker for being good and asking to wee wee on the potty . I'm doing potty training at the end of the month, during half term week when nothing is on, and I am dreading it.

have you recovered from the shock of T sleeping all night hopefully?

Wow hopefully what great news!
debi I'm back in normal bras too - bf morning and night and bottle in the day. I don't think he's getting much milk at all tbh.
We were up half the night with dd who was having a night terror. What's the point in having a baby who sleeps like a dream if your 2yo wakes you anyway?! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

Yes Croydon next week!
How long do people want to meet for - if someone's travelling quite a bit then do you want lunch rather than just a coffee, or is just meeting for a coffee ok?
this is the Hooley Starbucks on the A23 I was alluding to. The postcode is RH1 3AL if you want to googlemaps it! Or there's the pub we were talking about which i think has some soft play and is more central to croydon...
Could someone who is going to be using public transport decide? I'm in the car so can get anywhere really.

Hopefully Go T!!!!! Yay!!! What a little star.

Just had the best day out at baby sensory and then meeting pals/babies at a local toddler play centre. Little sad as 2 of our regulars were not there as they went back to work this week .

Thanks for the comments on ff. i think C is ready to drop to just 2 milk feeds. Just feels strange after all these months of sterilising etc. To think, i can now now satisfy hunger with a banana not a bottle!!
She had cheese sandwiches and tomatoes for lunch, plus a watercress & goats cheese muffin (made by me) and a satsuma and banana, so I guess she's getting calcium. I'm also giving her Plum fromage frais. A godsend - the only one I've found without added sugar (unless you count natural yogurt with fruit puree added).

DG a growth spurt perhaps? I didn't see my RL friends last week and they all said C had a growth spurt - must admit she ate loads and took lots of milk last week, which is why this week is strange. Sh's also sleeping alot, which she has done after every growth
spurt.

Oh, and an italian friend of mine said that extra virgin olive oil is great for babies - docs recommend it in Italy, so i've started putting a little on wholemeal bread instead of butter. it softens up the bread too. Anyone else heard that?

imo - get you and your watercress and goats cheese muffins! And now I've taken the piss, can I have the recipe please as they sound divine!

M has olive oil. One of our favourite restaurants makes some divine foccacia and we dunk it in olive oil. They always bring some normal bread out for M and we dunk it in the oil. He loves it. I don't know why but I always imagine it helps with digestive transit, ie it helps the poo slip out

debi - much love to you and your granny xxx

Oh, and hurrah for T. Have you noticed Hopefully hasn't been on again today? She's probably still in a dead faint on the floor

Barnpot Robyn 'bites' me several times a day. I am trying to ignore it now, before I was yelping and gently telling her off and she was giggling at me.
The other thing she does is she gets a handful of boob and sueezes it in her hand, scratching and pulling at it. My right boob has a horrid rash now. For some reason she doesn't do it to my left one.

Debi Sorry to hear about your Gran. Lots of love to you both. x x

debs - snap with the pulling, squeezing and scratching, and snap with only doing it on the right side. I've put it down to the flow on the right side isn't as quick, so M gets it moving a bit quicker.

M bit me at the weekend and drew blood. Jeez it hurt. I shrieked, he shrieked, he cried, I was angry. I took him off and firmly told him no. I then commenced the feed about 30 mins later. He hasn't done it since. Fingers crossed.

Two milk feeds a day?!? Not counting the 2 night feeds, T still has 4 BFs and 2 bottles (one 6oz, one 4oz) a day. If he wakes in the night he gets one BF and then a bottle if he wakes again. No wonder he's such a fatty. Don't want to encourage him to drop them till he either does it himself or starts reliably sleeping through though - I'd much rather he dropped the night ones first!

I have decided that I am not man enough to take any biting - T doesn't have any teeth yet, but I expect that his first bite will be his last BF! As long as he doesn't damage me, I'm happy to keep BFing for another month or two I reckon.

Yes to nipple tweaking/boob twisting over here. I don't think it's anything to do with poor letdown (or maybe it is, maybe this is a growth spurt), but just another interesting toy that DS has found. Alongside his willy. Can't believe he grabs it so aggressively.

Well DS had 1hr 15min today. Longest he's had for ages. My mum was sleeping in the room at the same time and said at one point he woke up looked at her and then went back to sleep. So either the waking is to do with Separation Anx or we're on our way out of this weird non-sleeping phase. Methinks it's probably the latter and the only way to get him to sleep longer at night is putting him back in our bedroom. Which we're not doing.

BRA QUESTION Wish I was back in normal bras. My pre-pregnancy bras don't fit me, even after a massive feed. So I can't wear them anyway, even on a night out when I won't be feeding. Does that mean I've permanently changed size or should I hold out from buying any non-nursing bras till I've completely stopped BFing??

IMO another one here who would like the watercress & goats cheese scones recipe please .

I spoke to my boss the other day to let her know I won't be back until after my hysterectomy on 21st July, I was due back in the office on 31st July, but it turns out I still have 2 weeks of last years annual leave to take so I can tag it on to the end of my several weeks sick after my operation. At this rate I won't be back at work until late september . Its just a pity that I'll spend all summer convalescing.

yey Hopefully. Sned those vibes my way please

I'm with you not wanting to drop day feeds until M drops the night ones

Imo where did Charlotte's appetite suddenly come from? - cheese and tomato sandwiches, not just a bit of one? and a WHOLE satsuma and banana?

Well done avoiding the sugar. I started off with good intentions, but she's had some of DD1's birthday cake this weekend, plus some of her fromage frais, plus hot cross buns. Saying that her favourite food is still broccoli.

Robyn hasn't dropped any feeds and she doesn't always have 3 meals a day. She is putting weight on and is now at
14lb 15oz
That works out at 1lb a month since birth

Digi You may have changed size, it might be worth getting new feeding bra as you have prob changed size in the 8 months since birth. Although like me if you buy new bras you will prob stop feeding.

Effy now has one feed in the day (4oz) which she often refuses. One 7oz (she usually only drinks 5) before she goes to bed, one 4oz dream feed and possibly one on the middle of the night. She sometimes has a 7oz bottle when she wakes in the morning but often refuses it.

hi just dropping in to to say that PC is buggered so on my sisters laptopn - hope to be back up and running by the weekend !

Toby still has 5 feeds a day! - hopnih he will drop one soon......

sunshinemummy effy's older than my DS isn't she? does it worry you that she refuses milk or are you finding a way to get similar nutrients into her? Just curious as DS never refuses a breastfeed so have no idea what I would do if he did. I find it difficult to imagine that he will ever self-wean...

debs you're right, I probably have changed size since my last purchase. I really should go back to Rigby & Peller as they were the only place that fitted me correctly. However, spending £40+ on a bra that I might stop using in a couple of months is stalling me. Can't believe I've survived with only 4 bras the past 8 months.

meglet Are you itching to get back to work or are you ok that it won't be till September? You've been through a very challenging year, I think you should spend as much time convalescing as possible.

hopefully how was T last night?

DS slept badly again last night. Up at 12, I fed him in my bed and then DH returned him to his cot where he proceeded to cry for an hour (majority of it in DH's arms), till I got into the bed in his room and fed him again till he fell asleep. 15 minutes later I was back in my own bed. He woke at 4, I did the same and fed him in the spare bed. Then fell asleep in spare bed, he woke me at 5 to grumble so I changed his nappy and brought him into my bed where he grumbled and fidgeted until he fell asleep half on the mattress with his head on my tummy. We moved him in between us then he woke at 6:30. So a night of musical beds and regressing back to newborn habits of co-sleeping and sleeping on chest.

DG Effy was born 20/08/08 (I probably shouldn't be on this thread but know you all from the ante-natal one) so I think she probably is a little older.

TBH she's a total glutton and will eat pretty much any solid food I give her (although she doesn't like things with a lemony taste I've noticed) so I'm not overly worried. I'd be a little more worried if she doppped the milk entirely as it's prescription and she's not allowed any other dairy.

DG - M had quite an unsettled week with his sleep last week, but things have gone back to normal this week. So there is hope!

Where are you starlight? We miss you .....

think starlight is on holiday (again)

meant to say the other day iltmimi (think it was you) a moon cup as a birthday present!?!?!?! I wouldn't be too amused if I was given that as a gift!

thanks for the comments about Granny. I'm at home again now and am not expecting to see her again alive. She is being kept comfortable and decisions will be made tomorrow when my dad's sister goes up again about what the next step is. I think I'm ok, she knows where she's going and before the op said she was ok about not making it through.

This morning I decided to put a normal bra on and discovered that none of them fit me so will need to go shopping. My boobs are no bigger than before but around my chest I seem to be wider even though I am pre-preg weight.

Well, first let me confess I'm not too sure how to upload a recipe on here, so I'll try to put it on mumsnet and let you know when. It is a fab recipe that makes 10 large muffins but only uses 1/4 teaspoon of salt in whole recipe, so it's really healthy as all other ingredients are 'good' ones. You have to use hard goats cheese that is pasturised and can be grated too.

And then let me say I am beginning to realise how easy we have it, when I read what other babies are doing (but of course, I'd love her whatever she did). Guess we are really, really lucky. I use formula whenever I can in cooking, so she has it in her porridge, cheese sauces etc etc but apart rom that i can't force her. We've been lucky that she's always 'told' us when she wanted to drop a milk - at 3 months she dropped her dreamfeed and went to 5 bottles a day and as soon as we weaned she dropped to 4 then to 3 bottles. I've always let her set the pace. the last time she woke at 3am, i tried to give her a bottle but she refused it.
I think she just has a healthy but small appetite. She is 17lb now (at 7.5m).

ninja the lunch i described she shared with me, but she does adore bread and the muffins. She didn;t eat a whole satsuma and banana but eats about half. Not sure where her appetite came from, she still drops more on the floor than she eats but she rarely wakes at night and is certainly very good at letting me kno if she's hungry! Generally, after her porridge at around 9am, she won't eat again until midday/1 o'clock. Once we started weaning i went to milk feeding on demand and this is where we are. on the basis that in 4 months time she'll drop the formula feeds completely, I'm relying on her best judgment!! She is known at the nursery she's going to as the baby who eats sushi!!

God, i've gone on again haven't I!! I always do. off for tea now and will try to get recipe on mumsnet - it's a fab one (and from Asda, would you believe?)

ooh well, that was easy! Recipe is here