Sept 08: the thread for when they may start crawling, and there will definitely be some separation anxiety bawling ....

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Welcome ladies

Well, there's no crawling going on in our house, but there's defo some separation anxiety bawling going on .... tears, screaming, the works - oh joy!

thanks for the support,
re his development, its mainly his upper limbs, he hardly reaches for things, has only just consistantly started looking at his hands and putting them in his mouth he doesn't pick things up dispite his trying, his hand closes before it gets to the toy. he throws his back backwards when he gets excited. he can roll front to back but not back to front, hes nowhere near sitting up unaided. I'm sure he will get there and maybe suprise us all I hope he does
(I'll take the hug Carrie)

thank you for your birthday wishes yesterday . I didnt get on the pc to read this thread in time so i've missed my cake . My family took us to wagamama and ds was ultra poncy and used the baby chopsticks and are chilli squid!!! DD had baby food and plain noodles to throw around, most of which went on my stepmums lap .

With regards to rear facing car seats, one of my friends does have one for her 2.5 year old but as it takes up such length it means her husband can't drive the car if its behind the drivers seat as he can't put the seat back far enough (and they have a people carrier). She wants to get another rear facing for her almost 1yo but it means her husband wont be able to drive, so they are a bit stuck. I like the idea of the rear facing ones, but wonder if they are more suited to big american / scandanavian (sp?) cars.

SORRY

I didn't realise I was causing such a huge debate when I asked about car seats. I only asked now as I wanted to do a lot of research into getting the best seat I could and the rl parents I know have gone for the cheapest seat they could find. Nothing wrong with that before I get told off.
Leonie I agree that rear-facing is best, (apparrently it would be safer to fly that way but airlines won't introduce it) and Robyn will be facing backwards as long as she fits in her seat. She hasn't doubled birthweight yet and is 6lbs away from the recommended 20lbs. I did ask a while back if it was safe to keep her in babyseat after 9 months due to her weight and size and it appears it is so I will be. We are changing cars soon so it means more research as I haven't decided what we are going to get.

We have to do what we feel is best for our children and sometimes that means going against 'guidelines', even if it makes us feel a bit guilty. We don't usually argue on this thread so can we all have a big glass of wine (or whatever) and enjoy the bank holiday.

With this rod in my back, foot in mouth and digging one huge hole it is getting a bit hard to walk

On a happy note saw my cousins 7 week old baby today. He weighs 10,5 and is almost as big as Robyn. Very cute tho

Just checking in...

T did a massive poo yesterday literally as DP left the house. I was not amused, especially as the weekend is normally his time for dealing with any evil nappies.

LOL hopefully. Since weaning, there are several evil nappies a day in Pacita HQ. Makes quite a change from the never pooing baby, remember? when he was EBF...

Regarding sleep, after a truly nightmarish period a month ago when we returned from holidays, he's now sleeping quite well. He goes down between 8 and 9 (I'm not that organised, so I need an hour window to get my shit together). Then he feeds between 3 and 5 in the morning and is up between 7 and 8. And, surprisingly, last night he lasted all the way till 6, then slept till 8:30. I fear this may be due to him incubating a cold, but it still allowed me to wake up quite rested.

Re: lumpy food - I'm a puree feeder and have now started giving more lumpy food, whole peas and stuff like that. He seems not to mind, but that may be also because he eats finger food like broccoli, bread, rusks and asparagus. He HATES bananas and avocados, would you believe?

As we're talking about poo, dd seems to do one in the morning and one in the afternoon.

We just had a lovely afternoon at my mum + stepdads (big ) house. DD was happy rolling around on the floor, practising crawling and ds was running round the garden. I get quite fed up when I have to come home to my teeny tiny house.I'm going to study in a year or so as I have to earn more money for a more suitable house.

I tried dd on the 10 month+ plum baby food today and she wolfed it down. The mashed up homemade food that I make is much lumpier and she handles that just fine. She drank out of her beaker all by herself too, I can't wait for her to be self feeding and drinking so I don't have to supervise meal times so much.

wow meglet what a clever dd you have!! Am very

Over the past couple of days I have tried a couple of the 7+ month Hipp Organic baby jars and he has been fine with them (bit of gagging but OK) - just wont eat the stuff I make!!! Bit depressing! Ds1 was the complete opposite - I had to make all his food as he wouldnt have the jars! sigh.....

carriebo 'fess up, where were you before you went to Asda that has made Ponymum so excited?????!

Pacita was it May 7? I think I may be able to come, I'm not due in the office - but depending on what happens with my freelance project during the week will depend on how tied I need to be to my laptop.

barnpot sounds like you've been through the mill, do keep us posted on all the details of els development if it helps to unload.

DS is having a bad teething week (again). He can hardly sleep it bothers him so much. Last night I went out on a Hen Do and got in about 1:30, it was the latest I'd been out since this time last year . 1:45 DS wakes up. I feed, change nappy, put back in cot. He will not sleep. DH takes over and finally crawls into bed at 3:15.
He wakes up at 5:30, I feed, change nappy, he doesn't go back to sleep, I bring him into our bed, he crawls all over me, chows down on my shoulder, tweaks my nipple like he's tuning a radio, and refuses to sleep. Eventually he tires at 7:30. Wakes again at 8:20.

He's had two half hour naps today AND had his first baby swimming lesson (which he did very well at only got tired in the last 5 minutes). What is going on???? I can't face doing CC again - it only seems to work for a week and then he starts waking again.

Have just made a mousakka, lamb kofte and shepherd's pie (went a bit lamb mince crazy at the supermarket). Which are all waiting to go into the freezer for DS to have over the next month. Decided it's time to get organised with his food now that I'm a working girl. Tomorrow I'm making beef stew, nonspicy chilli and some tomato-ey beef sauce for pasta. I also need to do something with chicken, DS decided he now likes chicken after weeks of spitting it out with a disgusted look on his face.

becaroo dd just grabbed a her beaker when she was rolling around on the floor and starting drinking from it lying down. It wasn't at all ladylike . When she's in her highchair she just flings the beaker on the floor.

I will be sending her to finishing school .

Oh no, now I am really embarrassed that I mentioned carriebo's secret at all. I don't think that was very fair of me... carriebo I am very sorry - I should have kept my mouth shut.

Where has all the sun gone?
We have had gorgeous weather all weekend and now it is bloody freezing.
Ds and Robyn are having some amazing bonding play. She lays on him and they have a 'bare belly hug'. It's been his thing for ages now. He even lets her stroke his face and pull on his nose and cheeks. Everytime he walks past her she giggles at himmm and she is so in love with him.

Meglet we can't quite manage beakers yet, she can't grasp them but she will drink if i hold it for her

Debs, that sounds lovely.

M has been up and down all weekend. I think it is his teeth. One minutes he's laughing, the next he's throwing a paddy. Where has my mild mannered baby gone?!

that does sound lovely debs, its so nice when you see them bonding and being nice to each other isn't it? It won't be long before they're fighting with each other!

We've just had a weekend up in Edinburgh watching rugby. Met up with the inlaws and my best friend and her family and a few others and on Saturday we all watched 2 games of rugby and then the inlaws babysat and we went out. It was warm and sunny and we all had great fun (and Quins won so that helped)
Then on Sunday me and all the men went to watch another 3 games of rugby and mil, sil, auntie-i-l and cousin-i-l took the boys to the zoo. Then they took them back to the flat and fed them and put them to bed. It was the first time ds2 had been without us for more than a few hours and he didn't miss us at all!

I'm in Dundee now at my parents so I can see my Granny tomorrow. She's still in ITU in Aberdeen and hasn't made much progress after her op so I'm quite nervous about seeing her. DH and ds1 have gone home and me and ds2 fly back on Wed.

Debi I hope your granny recovers quickly.

Re:north London meet up - I forgot that I have my weighing clinic on the 7th , and given that I've not weighed D for about 2 or even 3 months, I feel I should go.

May I propose the 14th instead? This may give us a bit more time to get organised...

Hello, here I am for confession time! I was going to tell everyone on here anyway ponymum so don't worry - I don't embarras easily! When I read your first post I laughed so loud dh asked me to explain the joke and couldn't work out why its such a big deal, boys eh?

So...on saturday, before Asda, I went shopping in Boots. At the tills I bumped into the lovely ponymum with her totally delicious dd. And they caught me redhanded buying....a mooncup! Ponymum's face was an absolute picture, I stunned her into temporary silence! I have to wait another 3 weeks now to get to use it though! (TMI?!)

And as further proof that every routiner has a bit of lentil in their hearts, I took ds round the railway museum in a sling today! It was my friends 'DIY-tye' sling. And very comfy it was too, and ds loved it

But just in case you're worried about me, you'll be pleased to know I've spent all evening with a pg friend sharing my 2 children's worth of experience of establishing a good routine! We also talked a lot about establishing breastfeeding, and I passed on links that people here gave me that made such a difference this time round. These friends have been doing NCT ante-natal classes and her dh had asked in total innocence about bottle feeding and was swiftly cut off by the teacher and told it was not open for discussion. Knowing that they want to do the odd bottle for their baby, he came to me asking for a crash course in bottle making. I then used a postman pat party hat as a fake boob to explain the let down reflex, and a good latch, and breast compression. I'll never view postman pat in the same light again!

debi for visiting your Granny tomorrow.

Reading DG's foody post just reminded me of the much more interesting thing that that i wanted to share (although ponymum has made my mooncup purchase a little more interesting!) which is that ds put something in his mouth. I thought it would never happen. I give him food to play with in his highchair before most meals - usually brocolli trees, cooked carrot, cucumber or bread, and he plays with them very nicely but nothing goes in his mouth. Yesterday afternoon he put a toy to his mouth, and at dinner time licked a piece of brocolli to within an inch of its life! He ate some bread today because I put it in his mouth, so I know he can do it (his food is 'well mashed' now rather than pureed). The brocolli looked untouched at the end - I could have put it back in the fridge for tomorrow - but i have video evidence of the vicious licking it recieved!

Debi, have some hugs from me too, and pass some on to your Granny too.

Carrie - please report back on your mooncup. My sis gave me one for my birthday in Dec 07, but it hasn't be used as I got pg on my birthday in Dec 07! My period is still awol, but when it does return I'm going to use my mooncup

We were at a family party yesterday and a relative was still feeding their 15 month old mushed up food, as he won't eat anything 'proper' or feed himself (capable of it, just chooses not to!), which made me feel more than a little smug about my PFB shovelling everything he could lay his hands on into his mouth. So glad we don't have food issues on top of everything else.

T did manage to do a whopper of a poo for his daddy yesterday, to make up for doing one when DP was out on Saturday...

In other news, we have had a bit of an improvement on night times - still resettling T 2-3 times, but he is now only feeding once from about 7-7, and that's usually only half a bottle at 6 to keep him going! This is amazing, I hope you are all suitably impressed. Saying that, he's only done it for 4 nights, he'll probably start teething or something tomorrow

Gosh, just returned from spending a week as a family as DP was off and what alot I have to catch up on. Sorry if i don't mention everyone's posts but what struck me was:

Mooncup - nice idea but i think yuk, very messy (TMI - but coming out of a public loo with 'soiled' hands puts me off, IYKWIM). I'd be open to more info if you have it Carrie

Car seats - a very interesting debate. DP and I like the Maxi Cosi isofix one but C will be in her rear one for a while longer as she's quite small. Also, as i am lazy, I will really miss getting her car seat out of the car and slotting it onto the pram - especially when she's asleep .

Hopefully so great to hear the light may be in sight re T's sleeping. [whispers, C has been sleeping 7-7 since December but I know she's very unusual and we're lucky!!].
Don't flame me, but those of you co-sleeping and having waking babies, could it be the co-sleeping that's waking them? But as i don't co-sleep, that's probably rubbish!!

DG well done on your return to work. Just getting my head around going back in July now.

If anyone goes to the Lakes, the South Lakes Animal Park is really good and well worth it!

Finally - how glad am I that I refused to buy rusks or baby biscuits for C, despite MIL pressurising me to!

Hi all hope everyone had a good bank holiday weekend.

We had a lovely one, although like others Effy is also not sleeping that well at the moment. She goes down fine but wakes at about 03:30 and struggles to go back to sleep - often finally awake between 04:30 and 05:30 for good. I'm exhausted.

Luckily going away seems to have sorted out DS's sleep and tantrum problems - I think maybe he needed some proper attention from us and having that time away has given him that again.

Unfortunately the holiday seems to have brought out separation anxiety in Effy. She's never cried when I dropped her at nursery before but has done since we got back and she won't let me put her down at home. She really cries as well - proper heartbreaking tears!

Question for those of you ff and weaning, is your LO still interested in milk? C is weaning well but not eating loads, but I'm struggling to get milk into her. She has no interest in her first bottle (bizarre after 12 hours without food) and struggles to take more than about 4oz in the afternoon (we've dropped to 3 bottles a day already). I'm feeding on demand, so it's what she wants but i worry bout vitamins etc. I always thought it would be a case of milk first, food second but I reckon I'll struggle to get her to take 3 bottles for much longer.

She is a small thing though, and apparently I was like this as a baby - no eating issues just a tiny appetite. (Ha - what happened to me!!! )

I've posted a thread in weaning but thought I should also ask here before approaching HV. Guidelines I've been given are she needs at least 20oz of ff per day until one yr. Any thoughts?

DS pulled himself up in his cot today! It was from sitting, so not as impressive as from lying down. But still .

sunshinemummy we've got the beginnings of separation anxiety here too. Going to the loo with the door open so I maintain eye contact at all times does not seem to help - according to DS I'm officially out of the room.

hopefully very but well done T! We have regressed again, I think/hope it's teething. But he was up even earlier last night at 9:30 even though I'd fed him at 7. Then he woke again at 3. Then again at 5:30. Grrrrrr. And only 2 x 20 minute naps again.

carriebo you big hippy you!

Carriebo well done, I bought a mooncup after having DD1 and I've never looked back. The first couple of times you'll have to work out how much to cut off, but after that it's sooo much more comfy. Imo if you're worried about dirty hands just carry around some wipes.

We've had a busy bank holiday as it's DD1's 6th Birthday today and it was her party on Saturday.

I also went to a aikido course all day Sunday (up at 5 after 3 night wakings [too tired to think straight emotion}), leaving DH with the 2 dd's and their 3 year old cousin! He took them to the safari park.

I still ache

Imo I think cosleeping can work both ways. When she's in with me in the morning M certainly sleeps more lightly and snuffles around to find the boob, but I can keep her asleep longer.

Meetups - can do 7th in N.London now. Or any day next week except Mon. Or Wed if the Croydon meet goes ahead.
Croydon people-someone pick a venue! Someone mentioned a Starbucks?

A really wants to crawl and is annoyed he can't. And trying very hard to move - funniest so far is arm-crawling wiht bouncing on his tummy, and space-hopping!

saw my Granny today and looks like she's not going to get better so it looks like its going to be just make her as comfortable as possible until she goes. Sad but she is 81 and she had the op to improve her quality of like and it looks like even if she recovers that won't happen. She's not afraid to die.

Left ds2 with my best friend all afternoon who he doesn't know well and he was fine. A few tears when I left but forgot about me quite quickly. He gets upset when I leave a room but if I properly go away he seems ok.

Home tomorrow, ds2's 1st flight.

imo I looked back a while ago at threads I posted when ds1 was a baby and in those I said something about not worrying that he wasn't drinking much milk as he was still get the 18oz he needed. I have no idea where I got that number from though! At this age he was only having 2 bottles a day and then cheese and yoghurt to cram a bit more dairy into him.

DS2 has just this week dropped his 11am bf so now he's on 3 milk feeds a day. A bf from me at 7am, up to 6oz at 3.30pm ish and up to 8oz ar 7pm. Best thing about that is I can start wearing normal bras again!