Aug 08: fine and dandy with matchsticks handy.

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thanks dizzy. I was a bit about all those feeds but ds had melt down at 7pm, I'm thinking teeth as he had a red cheek in the evening and I was not sure he had had enough to eat then - he fell asleep whilst feeding which sometimes happens before he's had his fill. If dp settles him, he invariably comes down saying 'i had to relent' meaning I gave him his dummy although we have agreed only to use it in extreme circumstances as I dont want to end up getting up 20 times in the night to put his dummy back in. Not sure why I am so anti dummy, I think it's my mum's influence, may be unnecessarily worrying about the potential consequences...

cyteen good luck at the docs, hope Joe improves

Thanks sambo He is much better already, back to his normal happy self but still producing a fair bit of green poo (we had one that looked like kiwi fruit this morning ) so I just want to get him checked out for ear infections and whatnot.

Tis tricky about dummies/feeding to sleep - I've found myself doing a lot of the latter this month after not really needing to for ages, and although Joe's not so into his dummy anymore it has proved very useful on occasion. I have a half-baked theory that our babies might be in need of extra comfort from sucking due to all the new experiences they're having at the moment, particularly weaning. All the new food is exciting and multitextured, so why not wind down with a bit of good old familiar sucking iyswim.

Gotcha Expectant

Dizzy will pass the word.

Gotcha Expectant

Dizzy will pass the word.

sambo I was slightly hesitant re dummies too for some reason (no idea why) DD1 has never had one, DD2 was a fecking nightmare so at 15wks DH sat with her with one in her mouth and she's been like Maggie Simpson ever since I don't tend to find it a problem at nights though, Dylan has found her thumb and that is her comfort. its a personal choice as to whether or not you use one for him but I certainly would be without my sanity if DD2 didn't have hers

gas man been, joiner phoned and contact made via email with the planning application lady. smoky bacon butties for lunch and thats the sodding rain on again

time for a wee relax me thinks

VG how are you doing?

Cyteen, like your theory. I think it must also extend to toe-sucking too! DS seems to have his feet or hands semi-permanently wedged in his mouth. Or his socks.

morning all
had a fun night last night. i got DS asleep in his cot by 11.30. At 12.30 he woke up, DP jumped out of bed (this is an absolute first!!), picked him up, gave him a cuddle and put him back in cot!! Usually when DP and DS meet during the night, DS screams and screams until i take over.
Anyhow, so DP is now celebrating with a victory dance, during which he knocked the radio off the cupboard. Cue us both looking at DS after the almighty bang. DS still asleep!
half an hour later, DS awake again, i get up,he falls asleep in my arms really quickly so I put him on our bed while i go for a wee (leaving DP to supervise). DS still asleep so i was just going to get in next to him. DP suggested moving him back into cot.... an hour later i was still trying to get him back to sleep! needless to say he then spent the night in bed with us again!
so it was fun

well done to whoever it was who mentioned the Dizzy Devil Horns I'd never have found it otherwise!

i had a call from my boss this morning. he was pretending it was a "hi how you doing" call. He blatantly wanted to know what my plans are but didn't/couldn't ask!

pil left late yesterday. lets just say, its going to be a while before they're visiting again! DP's idea!

S&M how funny, Joe is addicted to socks too At last I can see the benefit of having so many.

Blimey dizzy, that's a busy morning!

miamla, sorry you had a bad night, maybe dp should take on the 'back to bed' responsibilities from now on and you should sleep

hotter, we had two huge ponds when we moved in (1 was 15ft deep, the other a swimming pool which had been turned into a pond and was disgusting ), filled them both in due to child safety issues. The frogicide that occurred as a result was frightening (three years later we were still finding poor frogs looking for a place to live ), we also had a very weird dragonfly experience the first year after they were filled, when literally hundreds of dragonflies flew around the garden looking for their water, didn't happen the following year, so I am hoping they found a new home. so I am impressed that you found an alternative solution.

buckets, hope you all have a fantastic time!

Hello all

Just ignoring Toby to see if he goes back to sleep (however I think not......)

Lovely sunny day here (and yesterday) sazzles are you listening

sambo re the whingeing - depends if you really want to crack it or not. I am going to sound like an HV but our los are all old enough not to need any more than one or two feeds a night now (and that is probably more than enough tbh). My friends who've done the controlled crying thing have all said it has worked but you have to be tough to do it. I personally would find it very hard (I have never done anything with my three dcs other than feed them back to sleep) as dh would not physically be able to be awake enough to be safe to work if he'd had no sleep the night before so wouldn't do it with me. If your dh is with you on doing it, I'd do it. Because it definitely sounds like your lo knows what he has to do to get back in your bed! I know some 4/5 year old who still sleep in with their parents (not great for marital relations ) so be warned!

sambo I think what I was trying to say is persevere

Toby is established on two meals a day but not three (and won't be unless I drop a feed) Has anyone dropped a feed yet? He currently has four a day plus two meals and an attempted (but usually failed) third as he just isn't hungry enough for that one.

He is currently rolling round the room so I am off to scoop him up and feed him now so he is hungry for his supper later...

dizzy what a day, that is an early start, surely there is only one 5 o clock in the day .
buckets have a great time.

sambo I have started trying not to feed him every time I go in, as I was getting frustrated he was falling asleep on me all the time, going down, then crying again within an hour. I make sure he is well fed,burped and happy (so to speak) then try whatever I can to settle without boob if its within 2/3 hours. well done trying to get him in his own room.
In my experience fetching him in with you, yes some do get used to it and catch on very quickly.
However, I was so strict with dd, making sure she went down awake and settled herself most of the time, and now look...she has been in our bed every night for months now,a nd I have not even tried to get back in her bed yet.
but hopefully wont want to be in with us forever
I tried a dummy with dd, she refused one and when she did take it was just gumming it and getting frustrated. Ds is exactly the same.
I am not against them at all, but I would rather get up and feed then get up to rplace a dummy several times a night.

miamla what a night matchsticks at the ready.
DH has never settled ds really, he says its cause I am bf

Dh asked me the other day if there was any need for the amount/variety of dummies in the cupboard.

I have tried every size shape I can find to no avail, and they are not cheap are they?
cyteen hope you get some joy at the doctors. Poor little man.

x post pf ok so they would sleep with us forever
I will make an effort to get her back in her room. feel bad as I always said I would never ever start this off as so many people warned me or advised me when pregnant.
1 tip everyone gave-dont let them in your bed.

Good form of contaception,yes?

DS never sleeps in our bed btw, he doesnt seem to like it very much.
DD hated it in our room too, I think it started when M came along and she obviously wondered ehy he was in with us and she wasnt.
I was wondering what would work best with toddler.
Rapid return/cc????
any advice???

mine never slept in bed with us as babies. ie ds never has. dd has done a few times, less than 10 i reckon, in her almost 6 years....

sometimes i think it would be easier if i'd co-slept but at least dd is happy in her bed .

lol

no1 sorry I can't advise re. your wandering toddler - it's already been established that I have no willpower when it comes to baby in the bed - I'm just so lazy

Although now that Joe seems to be over his tummy upset, he will be back in his cot (hopefully).

pf we're kind of wavering between two meals and three here. Always do breakfast and lunch, will offer tea if he seems like he wants it or if lunch was early. So today we've only just finished lunch (much later than usual cos of doctor's appt) and he absolutely stuffed his face with savoury flapjacks, broccoli, chicken, pasta and banana so I doubt he'll want any tea! Certainly no feeds dropped here. I've just finished writing DP a manual for when I go away next weekend, detailing a typical day with DS, and we're averaging 5 feeds a day not counting post-bedtime top ups.

Bleurgh, I've eaten too much.

No1 we had a similar problem with DD after DS was born - she had slept like an angel and never came in our room once she went in her own room at 7 months. We used a sticker chart just for bedtimes so she'd get a sticker for having a wee, brushing her teeth and getting pyjamas on, plus about 5 stickers for staying in bed all night. This seemed to work quite well, especially when she came in we could say 'if you go back to bed you can have some stickers'. Not sure if your DD is old enough for bribery? DD was just 3 when we started doing it and seems to have broken the habit quite well. No luck so far with DS though...

Cyteen how did you get on at the doctors?

no1

I would go for rapid return ala Tanya Byron. My friend did this with her 4 year old (who is now 5) - first night 120 times , second night 20 times, third night 5 times, fourth night cracked it. She is a single mum with a 7 year old as well so could no longer cope with the up and down all night thing. I thought she was really tough managing that on her own. She has also done the get the same meal out at every meal over and over again until he eats it thing (which also worked).

btw you have to do it with no talking/attention etc. Her ds said to her 'why aren't you talking to me mummy' but she still carried on!

cyteen Toby is also on five feeds, just one is in the night - so they are doing roughly the same I guess - which makes sense!

Oh if anyone needs a laugh, this is a conversation between ds1 and dd yesterday

dd: 'Dad (talking to ds1), here is your baby. Baby Jesus the fridge baby. Look after him.' (Baby Jesus the fridge baby is a fridge magnet from Ikea in the shape of a person)

ds1: 'I can't look after it, I have to work. I work a lot. The mum has to do everything. I have to work all weekend'

hotter everything seems fine - ears clear, no fever or abdominal pain DS does seem totally back to normal, in himself and in terms of the hideous contents of his nappies, so hopefully whatever it was is on the way out.

lol pf! I hope you will relay this to your DH in due course. Purely for entertainment value, you understand.

ROFL at Baby Jesus PF now I wonder where he's picking that up from

cyteen glad to hear Joe doing better

No1 persistance is the name of the game am afraid

I have no ideas how many bfeeds Dylan has during a day - shall have to start taking some more notice but we're on 3 solid feeds a day now

oh and ladies, I think I peaked too early today!!! am pooped and have the dinner/bath/bed battle to do myself as Dh on lates and this meeting