Sept 08: We'll soon be weaning, and of a full nights sleep we're dreaming ......

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Hello ladies.

Pull up a chair, grab a biscuit and lets start talking about puree vs blw and sleep deprivation

Probably not a sore tummy debi, just a full one. What time did you give the swede to him?

I work in financial services so market not great and flooded with other redundants. I've got a couple of leads already though, which is great.

According to the lawyers I've spoken to I do have a case for unfair dismissal, so am going to see what the appeal throws up and take it from there.

Oh Sunshine. That's the last thing you need, - unless of course it is just what you need iyswim.

It's not what I wanted but now it's happened I'm dealing with it. Am furious at work for doing it though.

BLW is working out really well for us and Katie is so much happier with it than when I tried her on purees. Today she tried pitta bread slices with hummus, was very messy but she really enjoyed it.

Sorry to hear that Sunshine, unfortunatley you're not the first person I have heard of who has been made redundant whilst on ML.

Debithescot - about 2 weeks ago ds dropped his dreamfeed out of the blue. I kept trying for about 7 nights in a row without luck before I gave up trying to feed him. Weirdly it didn't stop him from sleeping for longer. However he did have an awful night last night, God knows why though. I was half expecting to see a little tooth this morning, but there was nothing.

snow thanks, yeah I am now starting to think about the big picture for doing the "best" for DD. If I were her in 5 years time and had the choice between a little brother or sister, or some extra BF, I think it is clear what the answer is! I think I just have to come to terms with it and find a plan that I feel positive about. So sad though, but more for me than her I think. Sigh.

sunshinemummy I am so shocked for you. But... er... um... would you like to start a club with me? I was also made redundant on Thursday last week. I was thinking I would keep this off MN as I don't want load you guys with the myriad problems of my professional life as well as my parental one, but I just couldn't believe it when I saw your news too. Why does this happen so frequently? They are such shits.

I was gonna come on here and whinge about the day I have had. Baby Starlight has just started rolling over and just won't stop. Then she shrieks because she can't get back and she gets tired. Every 2 minutes I am attending her

But, - I haven't been made redundant. I hope this means good new opportunities for those it has happened to. Sometimes a change to the status quo is a good thing, - but I'm really clutching at straws...sorry. Hope you get what you deserve and a little bit more.

Oh ponymum I'm so for you.

Ponymum and Sunshine hope things look up for you soon. It is really backhanded that they have made you redundant whilst on ml. We have been quite lucky that even tho dh is not working we don't have any mortgage to fork out on, and he was only on minimum wage anyway so dole is making us a bit better off.
Sorry obviously no help to you but i really hope something turns up

debi and meglet thinking of you both xx

OK, heres a question I really hope yo can help with....Toby is now 21 weeks and has been on 5 bottles per day 8/7oz per feed for a good while now. I introduced purees a couple of weeks ago and he now has 3 x lots per day. Am planning to introduce a water cup and finger foods at 6 months.

HOWEVER, prior to weaning, since about 3 weeks ago he has changed completey! he has stopped going down for his naps well, to the point of me having to rock him to sleep and then put him down but sometimes having to hold him for his whole nap! He is so not happy - struggling, arching his back, not wanting to be in any one position/place for more than 5 mins - its exhausting.

His feeding has also gone completely haywire... instead of feeding at say 7am, 11am, 1pm, 4pm and 7pm, for the last two mornings he has been awake at 4am and is not drinking some of his bottles - literally only taking 2oz and only that after a fight....what am I doing wrong??? I cant remember this with ds1.....

Really feel like I am missing something here...what am I not doing right? Why has a feeding gone mad the last 3 days? HELP HELP!!!!!!!

Oh, and my sisters wanker of a husband walked out on her and her 2 boys under 5 this morning. Wanker.

ponymum and sunshine Your ex bosses are wankers too

Agree bosses are wankers.

I'm one of three at nursery in the same boat and another is waiting to hear. Unfortunately in my case it was all too easy (denied by boss at time though) but, as I said, lawyer has said I have a good case so am going through appeal. Had to mention the words 'sexual discrimination' in it but feel sick now at thought of having to meet with two directors.

Since I started weaning DD has also been a bit off her bottles, especially during the day. Then we get to 8pm and she's absolutely starving - which is fine but it's really impacting DS's bedtime routine.

Becaroo You're not doing anything wrong, you are just in the club atm.

I'm so sorry about your sister. Is it a good thing in the long run do you think?

starlight check what I just put as my facebook status, I wrote it and then read the recent posts, seems like we've had a similar day!

How daft am I, I didn't think he could just be not hungry last night, thought he surely must have been hungry but he probably wasn't. It was quite late that he had the swede, about 6pm. I keep trying to feed him his food nearer 5.30, then milk after it but I find it hard to get everyone's tea made by 5.30 and if I did his first then ds1 (and us) would never get fed as thats when i get ours ready.

Thats so crap that you 2 have been made redundant ponymum and sunshine, at least dh still has a job here, I am very grateful for that.

becaroo no solutions for you I'm afraid but thinking of you and hope it all improves soon.

snow Frankly (and I know that this makes me sound harsh and heartless) I do think its good. He has never been a father to those lovely boys - he works away all week then spends the weekend in bed til 2pm and on the golf course or at the pub the rest of the time.

The boys adore him, of course.

My poor sister....god its been an awful week. So sorry some of you have had bad news too.

Thanks for the sympathy re: Toby

God, Ponymum sorry for you too - have you decided whether you are going to do anything about it, or accept redundancy?
I think looking at stopping BF to give your DD a little bro or sis is a really positive way of looking at it, and you're probably right that if you gave her the choice in 5 years time that's the one she'd choose.

Sunshine very brave of you to tackle it - it does seem insane that employers think that they can get away with getting shot of women on maternity leave- hope they realise you're prepared to fight them and give in (whatever 'giving in' might entail)

Becaroo sorry you're in sleep hell, hope it's better tonight.

Snowlight I am of your rolling baby - T is the most laid back/lazy baby ever, and never tries to move at all! I can plop him down and leave him and be totally confident he'll still be there in 5 minutes time. Which I should probably be grateful for while it lasts.

Feeling a bit less sick - have slept for almost the whole day (DP has been a total star) and have just eaten my first proper meal since yesterday night. Maybe it will help the diet!

Ah, no. I won't go quietly. But you know they bank on the fact that most people are too tired (and poor) to perservere and fight it. Shits, I say again. They know exactly what my situation is, and know I would rather forget it and spend time with my baby instead of having nasty horrible meetings and dragging in the lawyers. I just have to be strong and see the process through.

v busy in RL with mum here and DP using laptop at night for work, so just having quick catch up...

so sorry to hear about health problems and redundancies...

I just have to ask if anyone else is having the same kind of time of it as us at the moment - T settles well now (mostly) in the evening, so is asleep by about 8:15pm. He then either wakes himself around 10, or I wake him at 10:30, for another feed. He settles well after this feed (he is really asleep by the time I pop him in the cot, despite me rousing him slightly as I put his sleeping bag on and dump him in the cot), but from midnight onwards he is up every 25-45 minutes all night. He will feed once or twice in this time, but most of the time needs his arms tucking back under the blanket and a bit of shhhing.
It happens about every other night at the moment, and is driving me and DP absolutely insane. I can't imagine how we're going to get around it - T basically wakes every time he moves his arms, but if he's swaddled he gets out of it. Should we:
a) leave him to cry for a bit longer before we rush to resettle him (we currently go pretty much as soon as he cries, as he only seems to get more stressed, but perhaps he needs to learn
b) not wake him for that 10:30pm feed if he doesn't wake himself - is it messing up his sleep in some way?
c)put him in his own room - could he be thrashing his arms as a result of the noise we're making? Hate the thought of having him in another room, but tbh at this stage we need to be having more than 30mins sleep at a time - although we take it in turns settling him, we obviously both wake up every time he cries.

Sorry for the me me me post, just wondering whether anyone else is undergoing this/has any idea? It somehow seems different to sleep regression, particularly as we 'had' that (hollow laugh), and have improved from it.

poor you hopefully i would...

put him in his own room
not wake him for dreamfeed
either not swaddle or swaddle so he cant escape! (its the getting free that wakes him?) somewhere online i saw a how to swaddle that showed arms by his sides- do you do that? cant help any more on that front though as i dont swaddle. good luck!

Hopefully trust me most men DON@T wake even with crying! That sounds hard.

Could you have the cot next to the bed so that you can rattle it and shush while you're in bed to disturb you less?

DD was like that for a few weeks but has settled more now - I admit I'm trying not to dream feed her now as she seems to sleep better without it

hopefully Callum was like this, and my friends little one whos only 2 wks older. Mum said he was cold and to put a cardie on him. Must admit it has worked. Oh and if C doesnt wake for feed, I just get in bed and sleep!!

No room for cot immediately next to bed, due to room shape, but it is only about 3 feet from the foot of the bed, so not tooooo horrendous.
I can't quite decide whether it's the arms coming out or the noise we make that wakes him. He certainly always has his arms out and flapping about when he wakes up crying, but I don't know which order the waking/crying/flailing arms come in. The only reason I wonder if it's us is because he rarely needs resettling in the evening (anything from 2-3 hours before dreamfeed), but needs it at least every hour during the night, most nights. Plus when I was feeling sick in bed the other night I realised quite how loud DP's snoring is! And I know I snore too, so it's probably a fair old racket...
We were hoping to avoid going back to swaddling, as he seemed ok in the bag for about 3 weeks, but now it seems to be a problem. Arghhhh, perhaps it isn't the arms that are waking him! I am too sleep deprived to think of a sensible answer to the problem.

HOPEFULLY
hi there, have you tried giving an actual dreamfeed at 10.30 (ie) not waking t up at all? x