November 2008 - Cooing babies, tired ladies

[LackaDAISYcal]

now I'm off to catch up.

Thanks Daisy - love the title.

Just bookmarking...

Northern meet-up just had a look at the Trafford Centre website - for those bringing older children, there is a soft play area (but it is not particularly cheap) that we could meet up in? Or we could meet up for lunch/coffee - what do others think?

Thanks Daisy - my last post took so long that I missed 5 or 6 others and ended up being no 999!

Just bookmarking

I'm reading all the posts and getting lost as there has been so much chat!

so I'm breaking off to say...

re gummy eyes, DD had a blocked tear duct when she was tiny. It started when she was about six weeks old and went on for weeks. They gave me Anti-biotic drops, which did nothing obviously about three different times, then my sensible HV said it was probably a blocked duct. she told me to massage gently on the baby's cheek, from underneath her eye in the middle towards the tear duct. when I did it, it would improve for a bit but then gum up within a day. One day, I did this massage when she was feeding and kept it up for ages. After 15 minuts I got a hard thread of green goop about 15mm long out of the duct and she never had a minute's bother with it ever again!

Dozy, we will have to agree to disagree . Different babies, different techniques etc but we all do what we need to do to get through it and thankfully with parenting there is no "one size fits all". My main problem at the minute is that what suited the older two is definately NOT suiting bumble and we are lost as to what it is he needs/wants at the minute. I'm pretty sure it isn't a routine though as he has been worse when we have tried it.

Cricri (I think?) Babies are all different re cluster feeding; some do it every evening, others only during a growth spurt, some (like bumble) not at all. It should settle down at some point between 8-12 weeks. DD used to cluster feed when she was having a growth spurt and I think the 12 week mark was the last one for her, other than the big growth spurt at about 5 months.

hana, I didn't realise that F had a tongue tie. Has the snip made a difference to his feeding?

right off to read some more!

helloo helloo
I'll copy my last post over...

02-Jan-09 21:29:13
thanks for kind messages re-Imi. She is definitely on the mend- has been asleep in her crib since 8- so getting back to normal, touch wood.

Re sleeps- it's a tricky one, margot I do 'bedtime' from 7pm- she doesn't always go to sleep then-depends how much feeding I've got in before I put DCs to bed, so she can have a massive feed (in the dark) until about 8pm. she then sleeps (or was before she got poorly) until around 11-12pm for a feed and nappy change then wakes for last feed any time between 3pm and 5:30.She will usually go back to sleep before being woken up by her siblings at 7:30.

It works for me, I am home with my dcs all day and as DOzy says it's nice to have some time to yourself in the evening. I like having the evening feed that bit later as it means I can go out and not have to race back- but it's her natural feeding pattern, not a set routine.
My other two both dropped the late evening feed, and would just wake at around 2am for a 20 min bfeed, then back to sleep til morning- so I don't like waking them for that feed as for mine missing that feed has been the first step to them sleeping 7-7.

I don't give EBM, so have no advice there.

Whoever asked about formula and the sleeping thing- IME it's a myth.

ceebee I used a travel cot in the playroom for DD1- until I caught DS dropping his tonker truck in it for his sister to play with!shock

Just to add- we could try the soft play thingumy. I've not been, only to the one in Chorlton, which has started to get expensive.I'm happy to do that, of lunch. I'm not good at making these kind of decisions...so will let someone else do that!

dasiy love the gummy eye story. Sounds eww but satisfying!

Daisy ewwww on the tear duct

Pinky so far all Sam has had in the travel cot is a Top Trump card (or a 'cake' as DS1 calls it - everything is a cake to him at the moment!) - but I can see that other things may soon follow - not sure which is worse, that or the constant prodding and poking Sam has had to put up with for the last 6 weeks?

I am quite happy to do anything as I don't intend to bring DS1 with me - I will just have Sam who is quite portable obviously and doesn't require entertaining - so will leave the decision to those of you bringing toddlers aswell. What do others think?

like popping the biggest ever blackhead

I can't find your post about I Pinky. What's up?

Obs, sorry to hear about your shoulder . There's info here on drugs and breastfeeding, plus there is a phone number somewhere on that site for their drugs and BFing helpline. there is also an NHS resource called Lactamed? where you can out in the name of the drug and it'll give you information. Whatever your GP says, it's worth double checking as they don;t always know but only go on what it says in the BNF. When I went to A&E after my tumble down the stairs the triage nurse told me I shouldn't be taking ibuprofen and BFing at the same time and would need to think about stopping one or the other! Considering the hospital sent me home with diclofenac and co-codamol, ibuprofen is the lesser of a lot of evils!

Also to hear that DH's support is running out. Can he not put his needs aside for a wee while for the sake of optimum health benefits for DS2? And it's possible to have a healthy sex life that doesn't involve boobs! My DH makes "oh my boobs" noises all the time; I just laugh at him!

and can't remember who asked about their DH moving into the spare room, but my DH is on the sofa and has been since DS2 was born. He said earlier tonight that getting bumble settled and sleeping is our first priority; then we can think about getting him in his own cot and DH resuming the marital bed!...of course he'll be moaning about lack of sex next week , but for this evening at least he is being a real star

right, off for more reading.

lol ceebee all I can say is that DD1 gets her own back these days. She hit DS over the head with a wooden toaster this week.

THat is a good point, re the meet up. I could get someone to look after DD1 for me, then I could do a pretend pfb trip with Imi, which would be fun.

She's been quite peeky, daisy. Had to go to A&E with her earlier in the week as she had a high temp and sicked up her Calpol- it's a throat infection- mine have all had it this holiday, prolly similar to what you've had. Imi failed to sleep/ feed properly for the last few days, but seeems over the worst now.

Bookmarking,

My PILs would probably watch DD so it would just be me and bumble for the meet up.....either that or it'll be me and DD and bumble, and I can get the PILs to pick DS up from school so I don't need to rush back!

I think I have caught up, sorry if I missed anyone, anything important.

juanitad...I'm in Leeds too! I knew there was someone from this neck of the woods but couldn't remember who. which bit of Leeds....without giving too much away, I'm not too far away from the Sainsbury's on the ring road in N Leeds. I'm always up for a meet up. Mondays and Fridays are good for me at the minute.

Poor Imi; if it's anything like this it's horrible . I hope she is better soon.

My throat is still sore and has been since Christmas Eve! It's really bad when I yawn; which happens a lot at the minute. I should maybe see the docs if it hasn't improved by next week.

Right, am off to express a bit and then take my snugglemonster to bed.

Busy weekend planned, so I'll catch up soon.

Daisy Thanks for the info on drugs - I have a dental appt in a couple of weeks' time and need to be sedated. I've been expressing and freezing milk in preparation as the dentist advised not to bf for 24 hours, but looking at the site you linked to, it looks like I'll be ok to bf quite soon afterwards You really are a mine of information! Thanks also for the reassurance re cluster feeding. Found a thread under bf where somebody had been experiencing exactly the same thing which also helped. Don't know why it got to me so much yesterday but feel much better today.
Just copying part of my last post on the other thread as looking for advice/reassurance on this too:
I have a question about poo (!) - for the past week E has been doing just one a day, but when it comes there is so much of it that if we don't get to her within a couple of minutes of her doing it (and it's not always easy to tell!) it soaks through her clothes and whatever she's sitting/laying on. We then end up bathing her because it just gets everywhere... Her swinging chair is now out of action because she had another massive poo earlier this evening. Is this normal? It's getting to the stage where I'm starting to get nervous about going anywhere just in case! For a few days she did them around lunchtime so I was looking out for it but the past couple of days she's caught me out! I'm thinking of volunteering her for nappy testing because the ones she has clearly aren't up to the job...
Thanks!

cricri is she in disposables? Sometimes they can get 'full' with wee then when a poo comes they can't contain it- DS used to do this regularly if he was in one- he'd have a big wee then a poop and it would all come out the sides.

As you know I use cloth for the most part. I do use the nature boy/girl anmd Tushies throw away nappies and find them ok. I know amny people find the teso home brand nappies very good. Totsbots seem the most bombproof cloth nappy I've found.

poo normal cricri; anything from one several a day to one every 7-10 days is fine once BFing is well established as BM being so easy to digest means it doesn't dreate a lot of waste! It might settle down again; DD had a phase of one mahoosive fill her socks job every three days, but then settled into a one a day girl. this changed to two once she had been weaned.

DS currently one every couple of days, and not too horrendous thankfully.

right am definately off this time. Night all.

hi all!
Lots of chat today
Routine I'm just going with the flow! W naps when he naps - more often on me or in pram but sometimes I sneak him onto his chair when I think he won't notice... Have just started a mini bedtime routine - feed (1 boob) bath, feed (other boob), in bed by about 9ish. Kind of works I feed him when he wants. Lots of people seem to think he feeds too much and were offering advice about ff, baby rice, routines etc but I reckon we're doing o.k.
Pinkee sorry Imogen has been poorly but glad to hear she is getting better.
tongue tie Am wondering if W has it - he doesn't seem to be able to stick his tongue out and when he cries his tongue looks like it's attached near the tip - is this what it looks like?
Obs Ooh! Think you don't need to be worrying about what your dh - think you've got enough on your plate Mrs!! I have never been very glam but things have definitley taken a down turn (erm haven't brushed my hair in 2 days ) Actually dh has just told me to get in the bath before W wakes - am prob stinky too
sleeping arrangements Dh is on sofa bed but on call if I get too stressed in the night!
bfc got in touch and gave me some handy tips and hints and is going to email me with some meet up dates (she is LLL)

Think is all!! Dh off to America for 6 days in a couple of weeks. Am scared, friends/ fasmily up north.. Might need to lean on you guys a bit if that's o.k. (if I get a chance to come on!!)

Right best get the bath! x

Morning all

Looks like we've all got different approaches to bringing up our babies, whether we follow routines or not. I'm sure we're all doing a great job and our babies will grow up healthy and happy!! That's the plan anyway!

Lacksadaisycal, I am also very near the Sainsbury's on the ringroad - I live less than 5 mins away! Would love to meet up sometime. Any day is fine for me.

Re: exploding poo!! I too have a very pooey baby! He has also been known to do poos that go right through his clothes. I think this is probably normal (I hope so anyway!!) Unfortunately though, most of the time P decides to wait until I am changing his nappy to unleash the exploding poo on me, which generally results in the towel/change mat/carpet/me being totally covered in radioactive material!!

have a good weekend everyone

Bookmarking, but before I go had our best night yet...

Settled upstairs after BF by 7.30. Woke 3.00, did want to play - ignored settled by 3.45. Woke 6.30, snuggled and fed at 7.30.

Been for long walk and fed again at 10.45.

I am trying to loosely get a routine. Becca was much more settled yest [happy] I don't know why though

Yest met a friend at Twinlakes so DD could play and had a fantastic time.

Be back later, but things feel good today

Morning Ladies,
I have read through the posts but there was alot so apologies if I have missed anybody.

DS1 is really poorly with chicken pox, poor little thing is covered and very miserable.

I'm really really scared that J will get them too - he is so little still

J seems to have settled into his nightime routine and goes down no problem - unfortunately it is at 11pm not 7pm and he is still quite grizzly in an evening.

I am still up for a meeting but it will depend on when it s and whether we have chicken pox at the time - I hope not I'm really looking forward to it.

dozy did you catch my nappy post on the last thread, the only reason i'm asking is to give you first refusal and if there are none that would be any good to you I will relist them.
Thanks for the link daisy by the way.

Pinky glad Imi is getting better
Mmmynic same to you glad Js chest is clear.

Hi everyone else

bookmarking too.

Owen went down at 10 last night and woke for a feed at 2.30 then back down til 7 so i can't complain at the mo.

Wow, just caught up by skimming so I am sure I missed a lot. I am supposed to be unpacking while dh has taken ds1 swimming!!

Choc and Dozy, thanks for the routines. I must copy them out. I think I may try to do GF one hour later ie. 8 to 8. At the moment we are just trying something simple ie. changing them for bed/ feeding/ putting to sleep, changing them in the day! We have got the cot down so they are going in that tonight (at least to to start with even if they come into bed later) - cot is on our room coolkat for various reasons. We are bathing every other day to see how that goes too. I would love a bit of 'evening' to myself and also for dh to go to bed earlier than midnight. Last night we finally got them down at 10pm but that is a 2 hour improvement on the usual!

Seriously thinking of emigrating to Oz or Canada. Got friends in Oz, dh relatives in Canada. Anyone else thought of emigrating? Friend asked me to be her bridesmaid in Oz in June! VERY excited.

vbab. I have a 'big thing' about older siblings as I am one and feel still over sensitive about it, that my parents love(d) sister more and were more affectionate with her and she with them etc. I often notice parents who seem a lot more loving to their babies than their toddlers or younger kids than the older one. I notice it a lot. It's really natural as babies are sweeter and less trouble! But can also cause behaviour problems in the older especially if they are a bit sensitive/ high maintenance (like me!!). Do you think ds1 is feeling like you 'love' A more than him? Sounds like right now you are feeling more love towards her. Naturally, considering ds's behaviour. But if he picks up on this, it may make the behaviour worse. I agree on being firm with discipline etc. but as long as you make it up with a lot of affection and cuddles and even giving him time while baby is crying can make him feel like he is a priority (and won't do baby long term damage). Not saying it is an issue for you or will solve all problems. My ds1 is being a pain despite my best efforts, but at least I feel like I am doing my best in this area to make sure he feels 'SUPER LOVED'. Dh's need it too, but they are more grown up and rational so they will have to wait a bit . At the moment the kids are my priority.

obs, tell dh he has your boobs for the rest of your lives together. He can wait a year!

sorry forgot barbs, we should meet up while your dh is away. Ds1 will be back at playschool. I could pop over after dropping him. Will have to make an exception and shower before I take him to playschool .

sorr for being annoying...daisy, please let me know tallulah's details as we ae waiting to hear on the twins thread! i know she needed a section in the end. was all ok?

ladybuzz H is going down at about 10/11pm the last couple of days. Today is the first day were trying to limit his sleep in the day and we think this is it.

I am doing GF but wasnt waking him after his naps letting him sleep hense why I think hes not settleing till later when he was before.

My DH is in the marital bed since H started sleeping in his cot in his nursery (only place he would sleep) but for the first 2 weeks he was in the living room as H was soooooo unsettled and wouldnt sleep in his moses basket. My DH has to get up at 5 am anyway so he was getting zero sleep.

Merrymarigold DH would love to emigrate to somewhere like the states or canada - since my dad was born in canada and my granparents were american citizens this should possibly make it easier for us. Although my MIL almost did her nut when we said we wanted to move ten miles down the road I think I could emigrate for a couple of years then move back. I would love to experience living in a different country.