Three spikes and they're out. Whose teeth will be next?

[Essie3]

Seeing as it's a quiet time...

It was v common advice in the 70s Paro, my MIL bangs on about it constantly!

My mum told me that she started all of us on it at 6 weeks cos that's what they were told to do in those days. She's just been reading my BLW book and got herself all upset that the advice is not to wean until 6mths cos of problems with gut and yet she weaned us at 4 mths - so the guilt never stops then? I'm 36 FGS - bit late to stress about what age I was weaned!!

Did tell her about our discussions and that the advice changes constantly and what AH said about allergies, etc.

Think mummyhood is just one endless guilt trip . . .

Woah! A busy few days! I can't keep up.
weaning It really does seem to ruffle some peoples feathers hey. Ive had a breif look on weaning threads to see what all the fuss is about, and by god, it does seem as though certain people are sat by the computer 24/7 waiting to pounce. How bloody scary and annoying!! Well, I have started Isla at 18 weeks....(watching out for gunshot from weaning thread...) On the HV advice and my own instinct. She seems ready. It's so slow to get them taking any sort of amount, I think that it was time to start. She seems happy enough and interested in having her teaspoon a day!
Goingfor3 and pureeandpearls a photographer freind of mine has commented that DD1 is so stunning that she should be a model....Not sure what I should do, if anything about this, and would welcome any advice.
Essie pmsl as your Bf the pillow story, its amazing what you can do/not do in sleep deprived state.
Isla has been waking only once a night in general now. Going down at 7, waking 1ish then asleep till 4, when the shouting begins! Anyone else got VERY vocal babies!! She dosn't need me and does eventually go back to sleep, but Its keeping me awake!!!
Question Weaning folk, do you give food before, during or after Milk feed? Not sure which is the best way, only on day 2.
Im starting a keepfit class with a creche in the morning. Really quite nervous! I do swim a fair bit, bit keepfit is quite hardcore and I have NO co-ordination at all. Should at least be funny. I am back to lower than my pre-pregnant weightbut not too toned at the moment so hoping a bit more exercise will help out.
Whats everyone asking/wishing for for Christmas?? Just remembering last year how crappy I felt, was 13 weeks at christmas and It felt such a long way to go. Ive asked DP for new UGG boots Dont think he knows they are £170 Wore my last ones for 4 years though so pretty good value I think. Just got Isla a pushalong wooden brick trolley, I know she won't be pushing at Christmas, but won't be long...
Hope all are well

I am here, alive and just knackered. Holiday in 2 weeks and counting.

fungle, my understanding is that you give milk feed first and then solids - as they will be taking so little in solids and milk is still their primary source of nutrition/calories, so you want them to fill up on that and then the solids are added extra.

As for Christmas - god knows!

This thread has suddenly got v busy again!

Deb, I saw glow in the dark dummies too - tempting...

Am delighted with the American result - my faith has been restored.

Aberdeen, so sorry about your house, I hope it works out for you eventually.

I took B to toddlers today - only because one of our neighbours asked me to go. He's too young really. They had some baby toys, but they were quite scruffy and a bit tired. Hope I don't sound PFB! I wanted to meet other mums, and even though I made an effort, no one seemed interested in talking to me. Didn't think I was a social leper! Ho hum.

whinegums, don't take it personally hun, have heard these things can be very cliquey .

Am avoiding them at the moment but all my NCT group and other ante-natal group are going back to work next Spring/Summer so I know I need to brave them at some point or I'm going to be Norma No Mates .

Oh i know Amber but its another guideline thingy that i dont get!!

Hi Fungle Funny you should mention modelling with had the same thing but no idea re spain and dont think england agencies would has us.

Hi 5 go mad, not long now

Cheers sponge, I think you're right. I've met up with Katyjo, LauraT and BDQ in rl and they're all lovely, but none of my friends here have babies. I feel so isolated sometimes - my chums are off doing interesting things, working, etc, and I'm in Groundhog Day... At least one of my friends is about to pop imminently so I will have a mummy mate!

That is really hard wg - I rely so much on my mummy mates and I'm going to be lost when they all go back to work .

fungle, we also considered modelling to save a nest egg as I'm not going back to work, but when I looked into it the rates seemed to be so poor it didn't really seem worth it. Maybe GF3 could put me right on that?

I go to my mum's for the day and come back to three pages of new posts! Stop talking so much when I am not here

Re milk feeds, I try to give all BFs an hour before solid food cos I want them to drink as much milk as poss and just fill up on food rather than other way round. They say give half a milk feed then solids but then I was finding they weren't eating anything cos full up on milk (tho was difficult for me cos had to half BF two babies which led to lots of crying. Prob easier with one baby).

snuffly babies I prop the DTs' cots (put a book under the legs at one end), helps to clear stuffy nose. Will try vapourise stuff tho as well.

So pleased Obama won!

Whinegums Toddler groups are notoriosly(sp) cliquey. We tried loads with DD1, until I found a nice one. Persevere, they are a godsend when you find a goodun. I was back to that feeling yesterday, went to my first baby massage session. Lots of the ladies knew each other from preg yoga so where very together. Im quite shy so didn't talk much hope i may feel a bit more confident next time.
Thnaks for feeding pointers. Think may try before feed tomorrow. Think Neenz is right, they fill up on milk otherwise, although I am aware that moo is still the main deal...
Off to see my lovely mama in Liverpool tomorrow until Monday. Leaving DD1 with DP, so just me and Isla and new shops in Liverpool!! Restrain me someone.
Will be lurking until then.....x

Also, the advice for giving LOs tomatoes and potatoes (also, aubergines and peppers) is not till 9 months (they are members of nightshade family and are common allergens). Just remembered that while upstairs feeding Esther!

Does anyone have any advice about how to get DTs to take a bottle? They used to have one of ebm every day but then we went on hols at 14 weeks and they didn't have any for 2 weeks and since then have refused all attempts, even when I have not been around for six hours! Would really love to be able to leave them but can;t for any length of time.

Whinegums I went to a ton of groups before I found a nice one, you are lovely just persevere and would love another meetup soon (I'll leave ds with granny this time!)

Neenz I did exactly the same with ds, he didn't have a bottle for a few weeks and wasn't interested. In the end I found it easier to give him a cup, I used the nuk learner cup with a soft spout. Good luck xx

Thanks Fungle, and aw, thanks Katyjo, I'd love another meet up too. I think Hamish is lovely, it was just all a bit mad last time.

Just feeling a bit out of sorts today - DP is away for most of the next two weeks, so feeling a bit lonely, and I'm getting a bit worried about childcare if I have to go for an interview for the freelance job. I called my mum and offered to go and pick her up and bring her back for a week (she hasn't been to see us, won't travel anywhere by herself after my dad died, sad but true), and she's refused!!! Thought it would make a nice change for her, and yes, help me out a bit. Feeling a bit that she won't come. She wouldn't even come to see us when B was born, even though she could get a direct train that would take, ooh, all of 3 hours, and she would have had someone to drop her off/pick her up at either end!

... and breathe. At least my lovely best friend from home is coming to stay this weekend, so that's something to look forward to.

Whinegums sorry you're feeling a bit down today. Shame you're in Glasgow - I'd go to quite a lot of places but Glasgow is a bit much (was thinking - Chester, Liverpool, Manchester all good from Anglesey - I'm quite lonely when I'm there).
Nothing much to report here - dreading a bad night, but trying to keep positive vibes around Iestyn because he picks up on these things.

Baby modelling - Iestyn could be a model but he's too small. My problem too - I'd be a supermodel if it wasn't for the fact that I'm 5.3. It's all that's holding me back from that well-paying supermodel job.

whinegums don't worry, we all have s**t days, it is really tough going back to work, the guilt is horrific but you will feel great once you start. That's a shame about your mum, she must really have lost her confidence since she lost your dad.
Yes, Hamish is lovely but he doesn't really mix with coffee shops!
Make sure you have a fab weekend with your friend, is your dh going to babysit for you, so you can let your hair down?

Neenz Didn't know that about nightshade plants, will be more careful about what I give Mia!

Off to bed, goodnight all!

Morning all , don't know what I did differently yesterday but Ethan slept 8-6.30

Whinegums - maybe you shouldn't give your Mum the chance to say no, tell her to get her things ready as you're coming to get her. She's missing out on her Grandchild and you also want B to get to know your Mum too.Perhaps she just needs the decision taking away from her. My Fil died 20 years ago and at that point if we'd said to mil that she'd be travelling alone to Austria in her 70's she'd never have believed them. I'm not suggesting that you wait 20 years but I'm sure things will improve for her. It must be so hard for you too. Let us know how you get on.

Ethan has started holding his hands, then dragging one arm in front of his face so that he can eat/chew/suck on his sleeve !

morning all,

The answer is.....

Bath Bombs (G43 guessing that you have done them before)

but not me, the guides are making them tomorrow,, along with soaps to sell at our christmas bazaar. Hopefully due to the credit crunch they will sell well and make lots of money for us [cackle]

Well we went to fireworks last night and Isaac loved it, He watched the fire intently (pyromaniac me thinks) and threw his head so far back to watch the fireworks I was scared of dropping him. Can't wait til he is a bit bigger and we can go down to Lewes and see the parade there.

whinegums I have the same prob when I go to my NCT group when no one from my antenatal group is there. They do seem cliquey but I will talk to anyone so just butt in anyway and have become quite well known as being able to offer advice on cloth nappies [smug mummy emoticon]

Re weaning and different food groups - this was on a weaning thread and I copied and pasted it for my reference so here it is

Age 4 - 8 months

a. Vegetables (except the deadly nightshade group - see i. below)

b. Fruits (except citrus)

c. Pulses and beans

d. Rice, buckwheat, quinoa and millet

e. Poultry, meat and fish *

f. Egg yolks

Age 9 - 14 months

g. Oats, barley and rye

h. Live yoghurt

i. Deadly nightshade family (potatoes, tomatoes, aubergines, peppers)

j. Whole eggs *

k. Soya products*
l. Shellfish*

Age 15 - 24 months

m. Oranges

n. Wheat

o. Dairy products

p. Seeds and nuts (not peanuts)

Age 5 years

q. Peanuts *

Sorry that makes it a long post, but hopefully you will find it useful

Morning!

Am i the first on here? Thats prob cause awake since 6am

Well no change here im afraid, tried out bringing tea forwards and giving extra before bed but she still woke, last night it was 2am as she wouldnt go back i took her into bed with us and she slept!!!! aahhhhhh Oh well we will see, just going to go with the flow and see whats happens Itll prob all change when i go back to work anyhow

I wondered bout potato and tomato cause AK introduces them early but wasnt sure whether to or not

Whinegums, i feel alone sometimes all RL friends with babies now back at work and when i go out i see mums pushing their babies along the promenande but feel silly going up to them and saying hello, no clubs meetings eetc here at all.Hope you feel better today xx

Neenz - ididnt have that prob with Fleur as in intensive care they gave her bottles and i BF so she was used to both from birth but i found out/read a few things but you prob already know

1. it has to be someone else at first with bottle not you as they can smell your milk
2. offer when they are not starving hungry
3. if they have dummies try a teat similar to a dummy
4. when offering bottle if it doesnt work try again 5 mins later so they dont think of well if i wait ill get breast Here at kellymom there is some help too

Right fingers crossed my ellaroo sling arrives today as the bjorn is getting really tiring and heavy

Oh X posted!!!

Oh debs fab!, yep but now you have to figure that magic trigger!!

It is useful winegums going to copy it and print!

That's great Debs long may it continue!

Thanks hedgehog that's really interesting, good luck with the bath bombs!

Paro I would just go up and have a chat, having a baby kind of entitles you to join the group and you can always think of something to say 'I love your pram' 'how old is your lo' 'he she is gorgeous, so big etc' most mums are really friendly and desperate to make new mummy friends too!

Morning all! Have had a truly terrible night's sleep for second consecutive night. From about 3am S has been waking up and crying. Takes his dummy, goes back to sleep, awake again 10-15 mins later. Feel really drained by it. Don't think he's hungry, and it's a new kind of cry (not the screaming hunger or tired cries that I'm more familiar with). Both nights we've ended up bringing him into bed with us but don't want to get into the habit.

I read most of the posts last night before bed, so apologies for missing anyone out...

fungle have fun shopping in Liverpool. I hear that there's a great new shopping development there. I lived in Liverpool many years ago, it's a great city.

whinegums sorry you're feeling down. I dont have too much in common with most people in my local parent and baby group, but I try and go at least fortnightly and make an effort to be friendly. Also, I watch out for any new people coming along that seem nice and then try and befriend them. I also watch out for people with babies around the same age as S (or younger) because at least I then have something to talk to them about. Have you tried taking B to any baby classes? We've started monkeymusic and babysensory, mostly just because it makes me get out of the house. I get really fed up if I don't get the opportunity to do something each day. I generally find it tough though, DH has been off the last few days and I've been dreading getting through today and tomorrow doing same old same old baby stuff.

Sorry, that's a bit long! Hello to everyone else.

HI everyone, had terrible night last night. Jamie picked up another cold and spent the whole night sniffling and then crying because he hates sniffling. Won't feed as then he feels the snot and is generally a total pain. He is so sad with his red nose and streaming eyes that I can only feel sorry for him though. Am off to Boots to buy the vaporiser thingy and hope that works!

Oh, and my hv advised us to give potato as one of the first foods for weaning and then as a mixer for everything else! She also advised the same for banana on the fruit side and I have heard elsewhere that this can be considered an allergy risk too.

Hi everyone, and thanks for all the kind messages. Feeling a bit better today, if more tired - B has been up since about 5am. I 'persuaded' him to go back to sleep for a bit lying on my chest, and he has had a power nap in his swing, when I managed to close my eyes for 15 minutes.

Deb, well done to Ethan on the big sleep. And good suggestion about my mum, but I wouldn't be surprised if she just dug her heels in and point blank refused. Her other reasons include - she won't go on the train, because she doesn't want to sit by herself; ditto, but she doesn't want to talk to strangers (!); she has to clean my uncle's house twice a week (uncle couldn't care less whether it was clean or not, but his sisters insist on 'looking after' him); she doesn't want to leave her own house (she is in totally safe area, and quite recently left her front door unlocked for the best part of a week); it's a long way for her to come (hardly!!!!); it's easier for us to go to her (oh yes, it's so easy travelling with a baby and all of the associated stuff, as well as getting it all up and down our 3 flights of stairs)... I suppose I'm also a bit p'd off because she looks after my brother's kids quite a lot, and they completely take advantage of her and are pretty ungrateful. She also went to see my brother when he lived in Oxford a few years ago, which was a much longer journey.

Sorry for the rant folks, can you tell I'm still feeling a bit upset about it???

I am going to make an effort with baby groups - I'm going to a sing and sign class soon (TinyTalk are offering the first class for free if anyone is interested), and I'm hoping to get on to a Waterbabies class too. I'll have a look to see if there's anything else we can do as well.

Sybil and anyone else with snuffly babes - I got baby Olbas Oil, and put a few drops on a tissue and tucked behind the bumper on B's crib. I think it helped.

Right, today is another day, so am going to get me and B dressed and out! Wishing you all a good day! xx