APRIL 2008 - We venture over to the 'other side'

[VictorianSqualor]

Our babies.

07 March: Ashton, a fourth child for gemprincess, 5lb 13oz @ 34+6
09 March: Ted, a second DS for Daftmoo, 7lb 14oz @ 36+0
21 March: George William, a first baby for KnitterintheNW, 7lb 2.5oz @ 37+3
25 March: Olivia, a second baby for TheMaskedPoster, 7lb 2oz @ 38+4
28 March: Pablo, a third baby and first DS for vacaloca, 7lb 14oz @ 39+4
28 March: Matteo Alexander, a first baby for Gangle @ 38+0 (?)
30 March: A baby girl, a second child for PortAndLemon, 8lb 15oz @ 39+5
02 April: Jak, a baby boy for rainbowdays, 9lb @ 39+1
02 April: A baby boy, a second child for bunyanvillas, 6lb 14oz @ 37+5
02April: Struan, a baby boy for Donnabels, 6lbs 15oz
02 April: A baby boy for mummyofaprincess @39 weeks
03 April: A baby girl for PippiCalzelunghe @38+2weeks
03 April: Aeryn Daisy, a baby girl for Denny185, 9lb 8oz @ 39+3
03 April: Benjamin, a baby boy for Micegg, 8lb 3oz @ 39+4
03 April: Roelof Grové, a first DS for Sal22, 7lb 5oz @ 38+5
03 April: A baby boy for siikibam, 6lb 8.5oz @39+1wks
04 April: Matilda, a baby girl for AprilsFoolsBaby 7lb @
06 April: Henry Peter, a baby boy for Sheds, 7lb 130z @ 40+4
07 April: Sebastian George, a fourth DS for Peachy, 8lb 4oz @ 41+1
07 April: Jack, a first baby for ThePFJ, 7lb 5.5oz @ 41+1
07 April: Lexie Bea, a fourth baby for babywhiting, 8lb 1oz @ 39+4
08 April: Alasdair, a second DS for bunnyrabbit, 8lb 5.5oz @ 40+3
08 April: James Samuel, a third baby for honeybee10, 6lb 7oz @ 37+2
09 April: Zara Mia Martin, a first baby for V1KK1M, 7lb 10oz @ 41+0
11 April: Kyran for rdk, 7lb 13oz @ 38+3weeks
11 April: Sebastian James, a second baby for Fleecy, 10lb 2oz @ 40+4
11 April: A baby girl, a first baby for CeylonSapphire, 7lb 12oz @ 41+1
12 April: Maya Alice, a first baby for egyptianprincess, 8lb 15.5oz @ 40+3
12 April: Sophia Viviana, a second DD for AussieDivaonaBreak, 6lb 12oz @ 39+3
15 April: Alexander Oliver, a third baby for VictorianSqualor, 10lb 3oz @ 41+0
16 April: Ailish, a first baby for Mollyfloss, 6lb 11oz @ 40+3
16 April: A baby girl, a second baby for elfsmummy, 7lb 13oz @ 41+1
16 April: Zoe, a baby girl, a first baby for ToastAddict, 6lb 10oz @ 39+3
17 April: A baby boy for paranoidmumy, 8lb 9oz @ 41+4
17 April: A baby boy, a second son for lorisparkle, 7lb 12.5oz @ 41+6
18 April: Millie, a baby girl for scorpio1 8lb 9oz @ 41+?
18 April: Cameron, a second baby for munchkinmum @ 39+5
19 April: Oliver Michael, first baby for bashboid, 7 lb 4 oz at 41 +3
20 April: Samuel, a first baby for Velbels. 8lb15oz at 41+1weeks.
20 April: Angharad Mai, 8lb 4oz, 40+6, first for 7monthsplus
20 April: Emilia, 7lb15oz, a first baby for SuzeM, 40+6
21 April: Eve, a second baby for Scampmum, 8lb 4oz @ 39+3
22 April: Sam, a second son for Soph73 @ 40+0
22 April: Molly, a first baby for EllieG, 8lb 8oz? @ 40+5
22 April: Daisy, second baby for AttilaTheHan @ 40 +3
22 April: Zoe Olivia, second daughter for Piccallilli2 7lb 1oz @42+1
23 April: Jessica Elizabeth, first baby for BabyBratt @ 40+1 7lb 12oz.
24 April: A baby girl, a second daughter for christmaspixie, 9lb 2oz @ 40+6/41+5
24 April: Miya Jade, baby girl for ShelleySare at 39+4
25 April: Amelie, a first baby for Dondons, 9lb, 41+3 (i think!)
25 April: Aisha, a second baby for Jaq39 7lb 14oz @ 41+4
26 April: Hope Olivia, a second dd for northeastmummy, 7lb 11oz at 41 .
26 April: Gabriel, a third child for Bainmarie @ 41+5
26 April: Eli Michael, a baby boy for LittleMissTurquoise, 7lb 15.5oz @ 40+5
27 April: a baby girl for Ayomi, 6lb 1oz @ 41+0
28 April: Jacob Andrew, a 2nd DS for Kaybeeand2boys, 8lb 4oz @ 41+5
29 April: Thomas Henry, a 2nd DS for TLSM, 7lb 8oz 40+3
30 April: Harry Samuel, a fourth ds for Chipmonkey, 9lb 5oz @ 39+2
01 May: Sophie May, a baby grl for Annieroo, 6lb 5oz @ 41+4
01 May: Euan George, a baby boy for Jenniejennie, 8lb @ 40+4
02 May: Robyn Olivia, a baby girl for soph28, 8lb 1oz @ 42+1
05 May: Nora Martina, a first baby for Eva07, 7lb 8oz @ 41+2
05 May: A baby boy for Beeper, 8lb 10oz @ 41+0
05 May: Gabriella Summer, a first baby for Mum2babyroo, 8lb 4oz @ 40+6
06 May: Wilf, 8lb 60z for bigbadmom @ 41+6
07 May: James Andrew, a second ds for Moominsmummy, 8lb 13oz @ 41+5
08 May: Ellie Isabella, a first baby for Carey87, 7 lb 8oz @ 42+1
08 May: Robin David, a 2nd baby for Woollymummy, 8lb 11 oz @ 41+3
09 May: 4 kittens for scorpio's cat!
10 May: Astrid Mary, a second dd for sagitta, 8lb 8oz @ 42+0

We didn't bother with any contraception until last week, because like PaL says, it wouldn't be a disaster, DP actually said about using a condom (which I hate, they irritate me) and I said 'What would you think if I said 'DP I'm pg?' would it be 'Oh FUCK!!NO!! or 'Oh, OK, bit sooner than we had planned but cool' his reply was the latter so we decided not to bother with them.
I'm fine with taking the mini-pill though, can't do the injection, that fucks me up and makes me bleed continuously, if I was going for longer term contraception I'd probably use the implant, we said after the next baby, I'll do the implant for 5 years, then if we still don't want anymore DP will have a vasectomy.

Scorpio, what are you doing wrong then??? Mimi is fed on demand yes? She has plenty of wet/pooey nappies? she is awake/alert for longer periods of time during the day? she is contented with her feeds? Yes, Yes, Yes and YES!

She's bloody fine!!!!!! She just likes sleep Tell your 'mate' to STFU.

pmsl @ STFU

i think she may be her dc are 3 and 1 and get up in the night for bottles

mini-pill for me i guess. me and dh had the same discussion VS, though i cannot risk that now i know i must be fertile again.

Thanks scorpio - can't afford nurse, but anyway, things seem to be ok-ish now.
If night feeding is what keeps periods away, i am going to be safe for sometime!

by the way, does anyone know if the implant makes you bleed continuously, like the injection can do?

Apparently when BFing your periods can return, without ovulation, you can have 'fake' periods for a few months, but best not to risk it.
I'm kind of pleased cos it means I may not need to weant to conceive which I don't want to do.

Finally stopped being lazy and expressing today, need some milk for a week sunday. How many 9oz bottles would you give someone for your LO's from 2pm sunday afternoon til 1am monday morning?

Oh and Scorpio, she mustn't be doing it right

i don't think she does tbh, lol!!

i thought that too VS, i prob wont bf her much in the days after 6 months but i will deffo do morning and night, i love it too much to let it go totally!

i would leave about 4, VS.

oh with 9oz in? 3 then.

but mimi is smaller than lex.

when I expressed before I gave him 5ozs, he drank it all and then wanted breast, so I don't want him to drain hs bottles and not have enough left.
I'm thinking if I feed him a good fed before I go out at about 1pm, he'll want a feed at about 4pm, then MiL will probaby be best to give him a small feed at about 6ish before she feeds the DC's, then bath them all at 8ish, and another bottle, then bed.
So that suggests three feeds, if I give nine ounces per bottle he'll probably leave some at each feed, but might not, or he might wake in the night, so four may be best.
Arghhh, hard to work out, I might just express loads between now and this weekend, and try him whilst we are at home with expressed milk for that length of time, see how much he drinks and whilst he has them just express for the week after when MiL has them.

27oz for 12 hours! Shit. I need to get expressing for this nurse, then. I was thinking 4oz a feed so 12oz would get me 12 hours (3 feeds roughly 3hrs apart - she can do more than that and has done up to 5.5hrs but not gone to sleep for a couple of hours after the first one).

Another bad night, up from 1 till 4.40 then she woke for a feed at 5.17 (yes, minutes do count, was actually woken at 0.59 and last looked at clock at 4.36 ), but feel better as I know a) didn't have to wake DH (he had to miss work yesterday as knackered and also because I banged on the window and cried when he tried to cycle off - mental, moi? and b) didn't resort to feeding her so she went 3hrs 40 without a feed so didn't mess up the cycle for this morning and c) I know HELP IS COMING. Actually feel OK today. Those witching hours are DARK, though. I think the being awake at night alone with a crying/uncomfortable baby is worse than the lack of sleep, tbh.

How hard should I try to burp her after night feeds? I have been doing it for up to an hour without success, all different positions, she seems fast asleep during the burping process so eventually I give up, then as soon as I put her down she starts squirming, grunting, crying and looking really uncomfortable. In the day she burps pretty easily and rarely looks like she has wind discomfort but apparently the sympathetic nervous system can work differently at night so wind can be more uncomfortable (who knew?). I hate this constant not really knowing what I should/can do to make her happy at night. She has turned a corner in the day so that's much easier and occasionally I can sleep (if I don't have random friends turning up for coffee like just now, which is great and really cheers me up so that's also beneficial to general mental health...). I have even started wondering if DD1 also did all this but she was in a different room and the baby monitor didn't pick it up so maybe I just ignored it? Having said that, she rarely slept either so nights with her were spent watching random TV and bouncing on the ball. I'm trying to avoid TV/any stimulation this time but I might get a little radio with headphones.

Scorpio, she is talking crap. Mimi is obviously thriving so I think your envy analysis must be right. I can't believe you two are already having regular sex (when??) let alone talking about more babies.

Sagitta glad to hear things are getting better. Hope you can make one of the meetups, would be great to meet you. I might even be sane next week as will have had the nurse here!

VS - 4 then, especially if he will wake.

When?? - lol. Mimi goes down for the night at ten pm, so we jump in the shower, go in the front room, anywhere really, lol!! and we don't everyday but most. or wake up early....it does help having a sleeper though.

do you think she is windy or just protesting? have you left her to see what happens?

Lol Scamp, I don't know how much Alex would need per feed, that's the problem, and I really don't want to have to come home to feed him!!
I don't really wind Lex in the night, but it could be that you're really bloody unlucky and that E is just playing out her fussy time at night, most babies have a 'fussy time' luckily DS's is at about 7ish so I'm not trying to sleep!
Having said that the little bugger woke every couple of hours last night, put him to bed at about9ish, he woke up crying, so fed him again, then he went back to bed at about 9:30pm. I went up at 11pm, he woke up at 2:36,4:17, 5:08 and wouldn't settle back down until 8am, by which time I was awake so got up.
One thing I have noticed is that he is really particular about bum changes! He won't sleep with even a little bit of a dirty nappy, nor a wet one so about 5am when he whinges it's normally because he wants his bum doing, whereas Ella and Bobby would've slept through.

Oh, almost forgot, earlier, DS1 asked me if he could have some 'booby', he's asked me loads and I've just said 'Go on then' rather than say No, because he has been quite affected by Alex's arrival anyway, not being terrible, but just more attention seeking behaviour, so this morning he asked me about four times, I just said 'Sure if you want', every other time he has laughed and said 'Nppppppp' when I say ok, but today he tried to do it, he couldn't get any milk out though. Have any of your elder DC's been like this.

Scamp - i know exactly how you feel about the long, dark nights, when the sound of crying does you in more than the lack of sleep. and the clock watching... i've given in and bought a dummy - she can't hold it herself for long, but i figure that putting it back in every 2 minutes, with 1 min 30 secs of sleep for me in between, is better than 2 straight hours of crying and rocking (me, not her ) silence is golden...

would love to meet. i have to take dd1 to london for a hospital appointment next month, so perhaps we could organise another meet up that week? (can't remember when exactly)

hope your mum's helping out. i'm very excited at prospect of maternity nurse for you. do let me know if she has any magical suggestions.

VS - Jamie asked & i said i would put it in a cup for him but then he didnt want to.

they are same age-ish arent they? J is 3.7

i don't wind A at night, but i am using infacol. don't know if it helps, to be honest. Have you tried colief?

Yeah, DS is 4 in December, I had just expressed so I went to get the pump and he said that he wanted actual booby, not just milk, I'm hoping he won't say anything mroe about it now though, although I'm happy for anyone who wants to BF at whatever age it just didn't feel right, probably because he stopped nearly 3 years ago!

ahh its ok, booby wont kill him, lol he is your son after all iyswim.

scorpio, your friend is talking bollocks (I suspect she falls into the common "this is how it works for me, so it must work the same way for everyone else" fallacy). I have a friend who's breastfed five babies for at least a year each, and she's never had any break from periods at all -- always right back into regular cycles a month after the birth.

VS, DS was nursing, on and off, until DD arrived (although had mostly self-weaned). But he's not asked once since. In fact, when she was two weeks old he said "I used to feed when I was little" and I thought " so that would be about three weeks ago, then?". I suspect your DS1 just wants to know that he could if he wanted, i.e. that DS2 hasn't supplanted him and you love them both the same.

Ah see, I should send you our HVA- her soapbox for baby club today was people who extend bf and how awful they are (she said past a year, she knows DS3 fed until 16 months).

Bas nly gained 3oz this week . He's on the 9th centile for height and weigt which sounds fine, but I have finally been harrassed into adding a bottke. Got from the hva, then when i went to the postnatal check up (took dh who was astounded by what he called bullying) hva was there again in waiting room maing 'oh feeding afain is he?' comments in a sindey voice (It had been over 2 hours since his last feed). then went into hp and she said 'ah yes hva has been in to see me about you'.... and i got the lecture again with a warnog about paeds if bottle dpesnt work, gp was really frosty at first so god knows what hva has said.... then in for 1st jabs fr nurse to make comments to hv about no fat on legs.... then hv n making comments in the waiting room about it and I cant take it any more! Stupid tjing is he's been feeding well and is his most settled today, and a friend commented he's looking chubbier which we thought too.

So sobbing my eyes out but at least dh here to do the damned bottle

If you slapped HVA and then burst into tears, coukd you get away with putting it down to PND?

Peachy
Fucking wankers, can't you just tell them to piss off? Surely 3oz is better than nothing especially with you having a history of slow weight gain amongst your boys?

Actually, I think I would have piped up in baby club and asked "Are you aiming that comment specifically at me, or just being accidentally rude?"

And all you have decided to do is give him a bottle today. You aren't committing to anything more than that if you keep up the other feeds then you'll be able to go back to exclusive breastfeeding if you want to rethink later. Referral to paeds might not be such a bad thing there are plenty of posters on MN who have been referred to paeds and the paed has pointed out that the baby is perfectly healthy and there's no need to do anything.

I think the hva is of the belief that I dont care so I daren't kick off. She has an issue with me as well for being rich- ha frigging ha! She's renting out her house for the ryder cup in 2010 for £1k; we don't evenown a house- the 'posh' top i wore ytoday she bitched about- yes its nice, it also cost £3.50n n ebay.

You know when you can tell someone really doesnt like you? Its always my coffe that gets forgotten; my baby that feeds too uch.

HV is a gem mond, she's lovely.

I won't be feeding Bas any less, even if I have to forcefeed him LOL. Ans I made dh get the 3oz bottle to limit what size top up he can give.

DS2 and DS£ have seen Paeds over weight gain in both cases it was decided it was genetic and no worry.

I'm not bothered about Paeds per se, just the constant nagging comments.

hur hur hur

refused more than 1oz then straight onto breast

good baby