Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

Oh wow rozzy - you have really raised the stakes with projectile poo. It's good to be reminded that there is always someone worse off than yourself!

Ds1 and dh kicked off at bedtime again. I think I am just going to lock dh in a room with ds1 and only let them out when he has found a way of dealing with it instead of me sorting it out all of the time.

Egg - sorry you are feeling so cack (that's a medical term dontcha know).

Egg- your babies are far too gorgeous!!!!!!

Love you new piccies!!!!

Blast - typed a post, hit the wrong key and deleted 30 minutes of typing!

Quick summary:

Tyaca: Please speak to someone about how you are feeling. You say that you are feeling v. low and i can't help being concerned that it may tip over into bad baby blues. Will you speak to your health vistor or GP and let me know what happens.

Sarah: Katie seems to be on the BW schedule to some extent, so am printing it out cos i keep forgetting to cluster feed in the evening and get a surprise when she feeds every 2 hours.

Thanks everyone for the first time i've properly laughed after giving birth, re. only bathing baby when necessary. DH loves to bath her so i'm also one of the baby wipe brigade. Luckily, she isn't too pooey. I can't bath her by myself anyway - had c-section and still on painkillers.

Saskia - am relieved LO is doing better. What a horrible time for you.

Princess - I listen to Classic FM with Katie. She settles down when hearing classical music. I miss Radio 4!

Poblet - I have same problem with my nipples.
After a shower, dry yourself quickly with a towel and then maybe use a hairdryer to warm your body up. It works for me.

Up since 4 am to b/f baby, she didn't settle until 5.30, whereupon i got hungry and had pasta from the fridge, got into bed at 6 am and Katie had the sniffles, so i had to get the kettle and boil it in the bedroom cos she sounds like she has a blocked nose. Will ask DH to take Katie to his mum's this afternoon so i can sleep.

I was projectile pooed over by DS2 a few weeks ago (when he still used to poo). I was changing him on the floor downstairs. It went all over the changing mat, the carpet, my legs, my socks.......

OK night here, babies were pretty well behaved but I struggled to get back to sleep as kept coughing.

Morning ladieshow are we all today?

Lovemymum it sounds like you are doing great with katie and yes BF gives me a huge appetite also, some days i think i could just eat non-stop

I often wonder what i would do without baby wipes! did you lot know they are fantastic for cleaning leather sofa's as well as shoes and anything metal.. oh and the odd baby's bum.

Wow rozzy i can't imagine having a 5yr old as well as my two you must really have your hands full.

BTW Ds2 is 10 weeks old today and his feeds are down to about 15mins long, is this about right? he is putting weight on and apart from the fist chewing he doesn't appear to be too hungry, i think in the first few weeks you get used to feeds taking 1hr and over and they have gradually got shorter over the last couple of weeks.

And for those others who also have a 3.5 yr old. Can your son blow his nose yet? we have been trying to teach DS1 how to blow his nose because he has developed a really nasty habit of smearing snot all over his face so am i being unreasonable to presume he should be able to blow his own nose at this age?

Anyone up to anything exciting this weekend?

Egg have you heard anything from the other twin mummies? i just wondered how they were getting on.

Leesmum - nothing from other twin mummies apart from when Ladle popped in here v briefly a week or so ago. I did spot miniandme on another thread and told her to come and see us as we miss her but have not seen her again since. All was well with her though.

My DS1 is obviously a bit younger but he smears snot over his face too. Have been told it can be a reason why he gets conjunctivitis a bit as that can be caused if infected snot during a cold gets into the eyes [bleurgh]. He is just learning to wipe his nose with a tissue, but will only do this when asked and it basically just means he smears snot with a tissue instead of hand.

Although I am bottle feeding, my two do feed a lot quicker now too, I think they become more efficient .

Egg your son is doing well to wipe his nose allready i think sometimes i expect too much, i mean DS1 has only just learnt to wipe his arse properly and then has to bring it downstairs to show everyone

Actually last night DS1 came into the bathroom while i was having a bath and said(with a sponge in his hand) "let me help you wash your widge mum" so i said i didn't have a widge and only daddies and boys have one, he looked really upset and said"never mind mum you can have mine when i've finished with it!!"

Good that mini and ladle are ok xx

leesmum - ds2 can'y blow his nose or wipe his bum yet - I have had to send ds1 to the loo a few times to help him clean his bum whilst I've been feeding ds3 - I am a very bad mummy! Will have to teach him how to change a nappy soon

oh and leesmum I remember taking ds2 to be weighed 1 week when he was around the same age as your ds2 as I was worried that his feeds were much shorter than they had been. Anyway he'd gained loads - I think they just get more efficient like egg says. DS3 is now almost 7 weeks and feeds are much shorter although still a bit longer than 15 mins - it's much better during the night than being up for an hour at a time in the early days!

Tyaca - i was eating prunes every day for a month. it took the long for that area to feel normal(ish) again. I think you are mourning the end of BF a bit which is perfectly normal. I hope you have been able to speak to DP about your feelings. When I feel really crap I burst into tears DH is really sweet.

0n bum wiping - my DD2 was so hopeless at it (spread the poo scenario) that i did it for her till she was 5! she used to call me from the toilet 'i'm finished!' would ring out wherever we were! cant believe i have all that to come again! and the snot all over the face!

lo has slept all day so far - oh oh......

Right I must add a few things

Tyaca Omy is right, I just remember the week I gave up breastfeeding with DS1 I felt AWFUL as the hormones are all over the place. It passed quite soon though .

Leesmum I just read the "widge" sentence to DH, I could hardly speak I was laughing so much. We are teaching DS1 that girls don't have willies and that boys never touch other boys' willies (he keeps trying to slamdunk DH's when they have a bath together).

Leesmum also agree about baby wipes, they are fabulous for cleaning everything, esp the leather furniture. Don't use on laminate floors though, esp when you have a baby learning to walk, I learnt that last year, the floor gets really slippy with the stuff from the wipe.

Omy DS2 spent nearly all of Thursday asleep, I was terrified he would be awake all night. The only difference that night was that after I fed him at 3am or whenever instead of going straight back to sleep he was wide eyed and looking round wondering what to do, but i put him back in the cot and although he stayed awake for about half an hour he just lay there looking at the mobile and then fell asleep. It does always worry me though when they sleep too much in the day. Means I take comfort when they cry in the day as I hope it might make them more tired for the night!!

Hi lovelies, I'm poking my head in to ask if I may join the Feb 08 club? I had my DS2 on 7th February, and it'd be lovely to chat to mums of same-aged babies as I didn't bother going to any antenatal clubs. My best friend has a baby aged 5 weeks older than mine, but you know what it's like, that feels like this massive age diff at the moment.

I've only just found mumsnet and I'm already addicted. Yesterday I was desperately trying to think of a problem I might have, just so I had an excuse to start a new thread!

Anyway, it'd be great to hang out here if that's OK.

(Listen to me being all polite! Can't last.)

Hi guys - sorry I'm one of those part-time posters. I do think of you all lots but never seem to manage to actually get on line and say hi - am very impressed with those of you who are obviously so much more organised and sorted than I am. Congrats to Jaysfinished and Princess on the safe arrival of your little men. Jaysfinished spotted your post about tonguetie. DD2 has one but the midwife said they would only do something about it if it was interferring with feeding. I haven't thought that it was as my nipples are surviving (DD1 chewed them to bits!) although yes whoever was asking about sensitive - mine are to cold and were for months last time!! She is also putting on lots of weight - 1lb 2oz in 3 weeks (but actually more when you add the 14oz she lost in the first place) however she does come off frequently at times. I had put that down to the fact that the poor thing is often drowned by my flow of milk. Health visitor suggested hand expressing to help that but surely that just perpetuates the problem of too much milk and I'd have an unhappy baby because she'd have to wait! Times are really variable as well - sometimes she is feeding every 1-2hrs - other times like now she'll happily go for 3hrs. Any idea how you can tell if it relates to the tie? sometimes she latches on and stays on for the full feed but does only feed for a max of 15 mins a time. Also was a bit worried by your mention of having it done a year later - are there other issues that I don't know about? Any advice gratefully received!!!

Lovely video samsmam!

Princess I have been thinking about osteopathy - must admit don't know much about it but it does seem to be really popular for the LOs. Ferdie is a real cutie!

Will be back to catch up more in a bit.

Hi just got rid of the parents and bro and SIL with their new five month old. Can't believe I did this last night, such is the scourge of lack of sleep on concentration. Made chicken stew last nite oh so efficiently thinking I was breaking the back of cooking ... only to leave it in pot on stove to cool overnight and only realised this morning that I forgot to put in fridge. Was worried about it standing around for hours at room temperature that I would give everyone food poisoning, so only had to make it all over again today. Ho hum, that will teach me to try and entertain when I've only got a seven week old. More fool me....

Echo the sentiments about baby wipes, I use them as a universal cleaning aid, great for sprucing up paintwork, rubbing stains off clothes, you name it, lordy knows what they impregnate them with...

Oh and I got projectile pooed on when DS2 was still breastfeeding, the trajectory was quite shocking. Now I have the opposite problem - chicken Korma smeared in every crevice of DS2s nether anatomy... half a pack of wipes later he's just about clean...

Tyaca - without being over presumptuous, I'm really concerned about you. Can't help feeling that your posts are tinged with blue feelings as others have also picked up on. I also stopped BF rather abruptly with DS2 - just got too knackered and probably cold turkeyed it a bit too harshly. I think there are hormones at play with stopping so please do cut yourself some slack and be kind to yourself..and do speak to someone if you feel you are suffering difficult emotions, there is help out there!

Hi Beautiful and Redbush, come on down!!

Welcome Beautiful and yes MN is very addictive.

Nice to hear from you too redbush x

Welcome Beautiful!

Well ladies my latest news is that i have mastitis

Think my tearfulness yesterday was maybe the start of it? i was sitting in the bedroom feeding ds this morning and started crying.. dh asked me what was wrong and i said i was sad that he could be in bed and i couldn't!! (ds tends to doze off when bf in bed), then dh volunteered to give ds a top up so i could sleep and i went to bed and found myself shivering! it was only then i noticed one of my boobs had red painful streaks on one side (it had been a bit sore there over the previous coupla days but i'd thiought it was bruising from ds elbow!!!). called the out of hours GP and he looked at it and said I did right to call him as it can develop into an abscess if not treated quickly with antibiotics

so all you bf ladies... keep an eye out for red streaks on your boobs.. its easy to miss them if you are not looking!

DS had first round of jabs yesterday - gave him a temperature and non stop screaming later on - first calpol! And what wonderful stuff, we were able to go out with him to dinner at some friends as he was so chilled afterwards.

He went Sunday to Wednesday with no poo and although the first couple of nappies were BAD he was a different baby afterwards! Seems to be settling into a pattern of this though....

Saskia - how horrible with your LO having a general anaesthetic..... very scary I imagine? And lucky you with no examinations - my parts feel like part of the public domain now.

What's a dream feed?

Tyaca - I seem to have missed the end of your b/f. Bad luck whatever the reason was - hope you're feeling a bit happier now... come and let us know if you're ok.

I keep trying to get a routine going but don't think I'm committed enough to it. Would like the benefits without the sacrifices! We just tried to put him down at 7 tonight and he was there for about half an hour before screaming. We let him cry for about 15 minutes but he was just getting into a right state so got him up again. Is anyone just not doing the routine thing at all (really talking to those with slightly older babies as DS 9 weeks now). Would it have dire consequences?

Egg pics

Sally - sorry to hear about the mastitis, does explain the tearfulness though. It's amazing how much of an effect our mammaries have on us!!! Hope you feel better soon x

Tyaca - hope you're ok. I know how you feel re feeling shut out. Not so much with ds2 but I do often feel like the spare one with ds1 cause him and dp go off on their own a lot while I'm catching up on sleep etc so I always get left out!! Just have a quiet word and see if you can do something together or take it in turns. Try and see it from his point of view though that once he's back at work, he's not gonna see much of her at all. I know its hard.

Leesmum - I was just thinking about starting to introduce bottles on a more regular basis and was worried about the inteference with supply so your words are encouraging. We're looking to start weaning him off so he's having a few bottles a day by May cause we've got so many different things going on that I just can't physically express that much and I want to do it gradually so I think now might be a good time to start!!

Wiping noses - ds1 can wipe his own nose and gets really stressed when he's snotty cause he hates it but I'm still having to wipe his bum bless him!!

Ds2 has had a funny day today, really unsettled. Think he's still struggling somewhat after the jabs but also seems to be bunged up - hope that's not going to last too long!! Miracously he went from 6pm to 3am without a feed last night - albeit he was fretting betweeb 6-8pm I couldn't believe it!!!! DS1 really trying to enforce his will on us at the moment so a lot of time in the naughty spot today!!! At the same time though he's now taken to clearing his own plates into the kitchen bless him - cue lots of discoveries of dirty plates and cutlery in the draws and cupboards!!!

Hope everyone's good and having a good weekend - and don't forget the clocks go forward tonight - like we need something else stealing our sleep!!!!

Gill - a dream feed is a feed you give bubs at about 10-11pm when they're alseep. You literally lift them out of their cot asleep, put the nipple/teat to their lips and let them take their feed, lightly burp and then pop back in their cot. The idea is it fills their stomach so they can go longer in the night. We couldn't get DS1 to do it as there was nothing making him feed if he didn't want it!!! We were going to start doing it with ds2 but we're going to wait to see how the next week pans out seeing as he seems to be going longer anyway!!

Welcome Beauitful- My DD shares her birthday with your LO- What time did your DS enter the world- DD was delivered at 03-30- how fast has seven weeks gone? much quicker than the first time round with DS and i thought that was fast!!!

sally sorry to hear you have mastitis- hope your antibiotics kick in quickly!!!!

Redbush good to hear from you

Hope veryone else is ok!!!

We have been at a 3yr old bday party thisafternoon- then off to my parents for Mousacca (sp) for dinner- it was delish!!!!

Tommorrow at the dreaded in laws for lunch-Oh joySorry- they are ok really just really annoy me- as quite selfish people- already having ago about my need to loose weight etc!!! anyway enough bout that it will only depress me!!!!(i generally bite my tongue and roll my eyes btw but DH gets an ear bashing on way home- heehee

what you all up to?

Welcome beautiful!!

Gill - we're not really doing a routine (DS 7 weeks) just trying to get him to go longer between feeds. However, we're logging the times of feeds just for info and DH compared this week's log to the first week's and it's hugely better...sometimes it's easy to lose sight of that week on week but it does get better. We're hoping LO will drop a night feed but like you, it's hard to force!

Tyaca - hang in there sweetie!