Oct 2007 - This little piggy had pureed butternut squash and a slice of pear...

[alicet]

Well thought I should start a new thread in time to link it on the old one!!!

Thanks alice for the encouragement on seeing the gp, I am trying to convince myself.
Katsh - Thanks for taking time to pop on here and share your experience with me. I am very confused the past few days, I know everyone thinks I should just see the gp but I keep questioning in my head whether i'm actually depressed or not, I know this must be infuriating for everyone reading who must be thinking for gods sake just see the gp! It's just that sometimes I feel almost totally ok and it's these times that convince me i'm not depressed and jsut down but then I think, if i'm ok why did I have random suicial thoughts and why do I feel so low some of the time? Then some people say that when you have pnd you don't necessarily feel down all the time but then on tv the other day a doctor said that the definition of depression is when you feel down most or all of the time and nothing brings you joy, well I just don't know what to think then cause i'm not as bad as thatand i'm not even sure how much of the time I feel down. Surely no one feels happy all the time but i'm not sure how much of the time is normal, am I making any sense at all?

Yes you make sense. It's hard for any of us to know whether what goes on in our heads is "normal". I just got so confused with it all that I decided to tell the GP and let him make a call on it. I didn't know that I was " depressed". I think that if how you are at the moment isn't how you remember feeling pre-baby or even 3 mths ago then it's worth talking to the GP. You may not need any help from him, but it's helpful to have that confirmed and know what you're dealing with.

Yeah I suppose, It's a difficult one to call but I certainly don't want it to get worse... I know it sounds silly but I kind of wish it was more of the time so i'd feel more certain about whether I was or not. Think i'm gonna have to just stop being a fanny and make a decision.

I guess you've nothing to lose by running it past someone who will recognise depression, if it is that eg. your GP. Perhaps if youv'e got to the stage where you are worrying about what is going on and you don't want it to get worse then you might feel you are taking a positive step by seeing someone. If they say no, or yes you are down, but you're not yet needing " treatment" they might be able to suggest things that might help you feel less down.

Yeah, You are right, I have nothing to loose by running it past the gp. Guess one of my worries is i'll feel a bit embarassed trying to explain how i've been feeling, silly I know. I don't know if i've mentioned it but years ago when I was at uni I thought I was depressed and I told the doctor and he just said 'what makes you think you're depressed?' in quite a patronising way and I felt like he thought I was just being over dramatic and didn't believe me then I just felt a bit silly to be honest. I don't remember hiom offering any type of help or solution, jsut signed me off work for a while. I'm a bit worried that will happen again, to be honest though it's probably not going to.

Hi Kat!

Dal, I suspect your GP then was a bit student phobic and used to students coming in and moaning. I work with students and they often have mixed experiences with the GP - did you go to uni in Newcastle btw? - perhaps cos they often seem to self-inflict problems by drinking all day and doing nothing and then panicking, but perhaps cos some GPs cant see students as real adults, anyway I think you'll find the GP much more helpful now, well I hope so anyway. I agree that you don't have to be depressive all the time to benefit from some sort of help and I also think that most people I know who've been depressed have not seen it in themselves (because depression must in their eyes mean being very low all the time) until quite late. Kat's suggestion seems to me a good one!

Time for me to moan - sleep gets worse and worse, to be honest. Dont know if it's solids but now she just wont stay asleep and sleeps for no more than 30 minutes at a time. OK it was 45 minutes before, so it might seem not that much worse, but before she used to go back to sleep in a few minutes. Now she is awake for long stretches crying in what seems like pain and it is truly exhausting. Wondering if it's solids or teeth - her tummy makes mad noises and she farts a lot in the night and never did before. Anyway we're shattered!

Hope you're all okay everyone else!

awwww Choc-my heart goes out to you! don't really know what to suggest, has your hv got any ideas? i definitely thin CO is an option you should consider! its worth a try, surely. hugs to you. Did you say R will not take a bottle? if she will, then one day next week, i'll come down and take her out for the day if you want while you get some sleep, i'm sure i can borrow a double pram for the day.

Dal, do you still have the same GP? To be quite honest, i don't remember much from finding out i was pg with dd1 to leaving ex dp when she was 18 months, Its all a bit of a blur! i did get put on medication and referred to a counselor(sp), i didn't see a councelor until a few years later but she was pretty good, helping me to work through things, i came off the medication after i left ex dp, i think it was more him that made me have pd than anything. GPs see ladies struggling all the time, he should take you seriously, maybe you could take dp with you so that you are not fobbed off, PD does tend to be off and on so don't be thinking that you have to feel like you have to be feling sh*t all the time to seek help and support.

ermm..thats all i remember for now, Shannon has still got terrible nappy rash the poor little thing, I don't know what else i can do, she has hours without a nappy on and i cream her up, i think i may have to take her back to doctors, oh and she's decided that she is quite capable of standing up holding on to things now, so much for me getting the lazy baby that i wanted this time.

well, its rubbish weather here again, not got anything planned for today, just going to tidy i think. hope you all have a good one xx

Choc - yeah, went to uni of northumbria at newcastle. Actually though, thinking back, the time I went to the docs was a few months after i'd finished uni, thats why I was signed off work but can understand what you're saying about gp's views on students. I certainly drank too much, did too little and panicked on a regular basis, glad to know i'm not the only one though. I should think i'll get a better response this time.
Sorry your sleep problems seem to have got worse I really feel for you, must be awful. I remember when Dylan first started on solids he had some 'farty' nights when he just seemed to be full of wind but it has settled down now so hopefully it will for you too once her system gets used to digesting the new foods. I oresume you've tried all the usual things like cycling her legs and rubbing her tummy clockwise etc... As J20 said, the co might be worth a shot too. Sorry if thats not much help.
J20 - I have a different GP now, she's a lady, is also a bf peer supporter, she seems nice enough, sometimes I just find her a bit guarded/stand off ish, can't really explain it, she's certainly no monster though. Dh would come with me any time but it's difficult to gat an appointment when he's not at work, not too bothered about that though, think i'll manage.
I called the docs this morning, had no appointments for this aft (as ususal) but said they release the apps for tomorrow morning at 1pm today. The receptionist was quite helpful actually, she said they had an app next wed with my doc and that I could have that and then if I got an app in the meantime I could just cancel it. So I took the app for next wed in case I can't get one sooner.
Sorry to hear about the nappy rash, bils baby had it bad and they were told to use a cream called something like metanium, you can only get it by asking at the pharmasists counter or prescribed I think, worked for them though so might be worth a try, they said it was really good. It is bright yellow though and goes on really thick so she'd have a yellow bum for a while!
Right, gonna see if 'mr moggins' would like his breakfast.
Hello to everyone I haven't mentioned, catch ya soon

dal...thrilled you are booked in to see your gp, hope you get an earlier appointment aswell...but just booking one is a positive step
j20 I have loads of metanium ointment (dhs grandad used to work for Boots and their pensioners get special deals so he keeps bringing me things he thinks i might need)do you want to wait for the post if i send it or would you rather go get some yourself? I really works a treat.
got to go...i'llcheck in later

J2O sorry to hear about the nappy rash. I remember you mentioning that you thought it might be thrush? Do you have anything for that? We have a couple of tubes of anti-thrush stuff as both boys have had that so very happy to send you some if you like... Just let me know. Could stick it in the post this pm or Sat am...

Dal great news that you have an appt. I will join the crowd who think you have nothing to lose. I had a friend in much a similar situation to you (although not baby related). She wasn't sure if she was depressed or not, went and had a long chat with the GP, and they decided she probably wasn't but arranged to see her later to make sure al was still well. And she found that talking things through with them really helped in itself.

Have just spoken to Choc - honestly I think she is superwoman - on so little sleep I think I would be going slowly mad! We are going for coffee this pm... I guess we all cope though don't we - it's bloody tough being a mum sometimes but the love you have for them just keeps you going (most of the time) doesn't it? And asking for help is also coping isn't it - it's doing what you have to do to stay strong for your lo.

Hi all - Dal I'm really glad you're going to the GP - to give you some idea if you are in pnd territory, have a look at this calculator - my GP has requested that I redo it at home every time before I go to see her - I find I'm more likely to be honest if it's just me.

j20 - sorry to hear about the nappy rash- it's horrible!

hi to alice, choc (aka superwoman), FT, Katsh (long time no see!), muppetgirl - and everybody else of course ...

News from me:

I went to see my friend in the hospital this afternoon - she had her baby on Tuesday - 5 weeks early, but as her first had been born at 32 weeks, she'd done quite well - and he weighs 6lb4oz - so not a teeny tiny one!
There's a great story here: her dh was in hospital himself having an aneurism (sp) in his neck sorted out - the surgery had gone really well, after the last time they had tried to sort it out he'd had a huge allergic reaction to one of the drugs he'd been given, and had ended up in ICU ... - anyway, she went into labour whilst visiting him in hospital (at about 5pm) - decided that she'd better get her notes from the car, so walked, with her 3 yr old ds to the car (takes about 10 minutes each way), having contractions all the time - she potters into the maternity assessment unit, says, "I think I'm in labour" - whilst having contractions etc ... and is taken straight to delivery suite - with 3 yr old ds. Her MiL comes down from sitting with her dh to look after her ds, then her dh was brought down, in a chair (only just come out of surgery!), with a nurse accompanying him. The baby was born just after 8pm ... You can just imagine the scene: her dh was there, in a chair, with a nurse looking after hime, there were 2 midwives (due to the baby's premie-ness), a student midwife, her ds, her MiL (until her FiL arrived to collect them both) ... and L - labouring away ...

Baby is absolutely gorgeous! They've called him Oscar - her dh is now home from hospital, but she's staying in until tomorrow.

No other news from me ... am going to ask for advice on things I can take for hayfever whilst bf ... I have it the worst I've had it for years!

love to all!

Crochet-great story! How amazing that it all happened like that. And great that Oscar was fine despite being so prem.

J20, thank you!! you are so nice. Wish you were closer! I will be fine though, cos DH is very good - he took R away last night for 2 hours so I could sleep and will do so again if nec. Cant keep it up longterm cos he needs sleep too, but..

Well have had a HORRID afternoon... was going to meet Alicet after lunch at some friends. Gave R sweet potato for lunch and she didnt really want it... anyway mid afternoon she started to scream and cry inconsolably, for ages, so I had to cancel plans and go home, only couldnt leave cos she was crying so much. Eventually she opened her eyes more and I realized she had smeared loads of sweet potato into her eye... hence the upset... so I had to get it out, which was horrid BUT she is fine now. She must have got it out of her mouth on her finger and then stuck her finger in her eye... I've never seen her so upset.

Hugs everyone!

Am certainly not superwoman btw!!!

Hi all!

Crochet - wow! What a fab story, glad alls well that ends well. Am going to book the tiddly proms for the sun at 11am if you can make it...

J20 - Sorry to hear of the nappy rash, sounds very painful

Choccy - Poor Rebecca for the sweet potato in her yes. Am so for you and [shocked] about the lack of sleep you are having.

Dal - I am very relived you are going to see your GP. I would say even if the DR says you aren't depressed you know yourself well enough to realise that having suicidal thoughts is not right. Ask to see a counsellor (may be a wait but worth it imo) you can then talk through all of your thoughts with someone. I would worry for you if you are left with these thoughts on your own x
I have had experience with a friend who had suicidal thoughts . She was on medication and was desperately ill and not once did anyone think of taking her children away.

Well, it's half term in the Muppet household and Ollie is already driving me nuts. He's had a massive tantrum in his bedromm -he got sent there to cry instead of on the stairs -because I said he couldn't have the tv on. He is so tired after this half term he's knackered, hence the behaviour. We do have some very cute old wellie boots that he planted with flowers outside the door that he did at school.
Have exercise session tomorrow with Ollie so that should be interesting I'm hoping he's ride his bike whilst I run around like a nutter. We are then meeting friends at amlocal large house that has an adventure playground so he's really looking forward to that.

Am knackered myself so going off to watch the apprentice as I fell asleep in front of it last night

See you all soon!

Choc sorry to miss you today but glad it was something simple upsetting her - must have been horrible to see her so upset when she's usually such a happy little girl but at least it was sorted!

Crochet what a fab story! Great to hear he's doing well too...

Hello muppet, inzi and everyone else... In the middle of cooking tea so best be off but will try and get back on later....

muppetgirl - can't make the Sunday at 11am ... perhaps we could meet up either on the Saturday, or the Sunday afternoon ... you could come to my house (as could YLLP) - now you know I'm not an axe-murderer ...

Am off to bed, am knackered!

crochet-awww thats a nice story

Alice-I have been using thrush cream on it and also sudeocreme and various other nappy rash creams, thank you for the offer and you also FT, but i think it'll be easier and probably cheaper if i take her to the chemist in morning, i'm terrified it gets infected as its now more like grazes, and so so sore, i feel like crying for her, she's hardly had her nappy on, but when she wees, usually on my floor it still goes on her skin so i still need to wipe her, a couple of times a day i'm having to put her in a bath as i just can't wipe her anymore, also she's been having dioreaha(not even going to attempt to spell!) which certainly isnt helping. I think i'm going to change her nappy before i go to bed as well, sorry for going on about it but i feel awful, i don't know what else i can do to try and clear it up.

Choc-2 hours is hardly going to make up for the 7 months no sleep! honestly, I don't mind, I could just sit with her and let her play with Shannon at your house if you want, its half term and i'm really hoping dd1 is going to be with her dad for most of it so i'll be in no rush to get back, anyway, the offer's there mail me if you decide its an option

Dal-glad you've got an appointment, hope she is helpful to you.

muppet-I've had trouble with dd1 and half term doesn't start till tommorrow. I have no patience with her, she is seriously doing my head in lately, think i've got PMT.

right am off for a bath now the little darlings are in bed!

Hi Inzi, Kat, FT and anyone i've missed!

J20...this may sound silly but a friend sat her lo on puppy training mats/pads when she was potty training.....they absorb the accidents like a nappy but it might allow Shannons skin to breathe and stay dry at the same time...and it would save the floor from getting wet....just an idea. Oh, and another local Mum suggests Fullers Earth Ointment for nappy rash. I hope it clears up for her soon.

Choc...honey I cant believe how you manage to keep going. Alex was more unsettled (nothing like as bad as R of course)when we first started weaning and he was terribly flatulent too (still is when we introduce new foods)I wish I could offer more help..I just hope and pray she improves soon for your sake.

Crotchet; that was a lovely story.Congratulations to your friend and all the family

Dal hope you got an earlier appointment

Muppet ;hope the rest of half term gets easier..love the idea of planted up kiddies wellies

Early to bed tonight for me... alex had me up at 2, 5 and 6 last night but I'm no Choc so I need to catch up. Night all.

FT-its a good idea, and if she stayed in one bloody place i would, i've had my living room covered in a throw and towels today but she seems to like crawling onto the laminate, then doing it! must be the cold. oh and i need to make my house baby proof, shes got a obsession with anything dangerous, radiators, the laptop wire, inside the tv cabinet... i tried to scare her by shouting no really loudly earlier when she went to touch the radiator pipe bcause it was on, and hot, and i definately scared her because she sobbed and sobbed, pet lip and everything (evil mummy) but it didn't stop her because she just went for it again after i put her away from it, oops shes awake, gotta go.

Sorry not got chance to catch up with everyone...

J20 sorry about shannons bum, sounds nasty at her crawling around, Ben is still rolling atm, but only goes in one direction

He has had sickness and diarrhea (sp?) all day today, can't seem to keep anything down, both his chairs are wet, big patch on lounge carpet and 3 changes of clothes not sure what is causing it either. He is still smiling though so he can't be feeling too bad

I have had two mammoth shopping days, yesterday and today, I'm now kitted out for the summer and I am back in size 14 bottoms and 12 tops YAY!! I am now back to my pre-pregnancy weight and have lost one stone 10 lb since Jan 1st I have also got my wedding outfit all sorted for my sil's wedding in sept too, which is a weight off my mind

alicet - hope you are getting back into the swing of work now.

choc - sorry you are having such a rough time. I would have had a breakdown by now with lack of sleep. I am horrible when I haven't had enough.

Dal - Glad you have an appt with the doc, its a step in the right direction.

Sorry if I have missed out anything important, I have been reading, just can't remember everything

Ah, finally have a couple of minutes to catch up! Very busy this week - lots of interviews but . Going well so far, which means lots of second interviews - including one with a technical assessment and a roleplay - very !

Anya's decided that 5am is a good time to be getting up the last few mornings - hope that's just a phase!

FT - Anya scratches herself all the time - I've given up now, I just try and keep her nails as short as poss.

Muppet - glad Henry enjoyed swimming. Still not got round to taking Anya - must see if I can fit into any of my old swimming costumes! Is half term over now or does it run into next week too?

J2O - poor Shannon, hope her nappy rash clears up soon. Don't really have any suggestions I'm afraid.

Alice - glad things are working out so well, am sure you'll get those at work sorted too.

Choc - really feel for you, don't really know what to suggest - presumeably you've asked hv/gp etc for opinions. And poor Rebecca with sweet potato in her eye - at least it wasn't anything serious.

Dal - glad you've made an appointment with your GP - hope it helps.

Inzi - about your parents' jack russell. But lol at Jane with the squirrels.

Crochet - wow at your friend's labour! Glad mum and baby are well (and dh!)

LLL - hope Ben's feeling better. Well done on the weight loss - bet you enjoyed the shopping days, sounds like bliss!

Hope I've not missed anybody - hello if I have.

Am off to Eurovision party tonight - girlie baby-free evening .

J20; Hope Shannon is better

Anyasmum; With you on the 5am shiftAlex hasn't slept past 6am for weeks but has wanted to start playing at 5am for the past few days...if it wasn't for Chocs predicament being so much worse I'd be whinging continuously about sleep deprivation and dearly hope it is a phase too for all of us. I hope you have a fab eurovision night and that the intensive 2nd interviews go well for you.

Inzi; for your parents..I have been there 4 times and know just how it feels..they must have looked after Banjo incredibly well to get him to such an advanced age... Lol at Janes enjoyent of your dogs swimming...its wonderful how contagious los laughter is, Alex started laughing at his own hiccups on Friday and had us all in stitches.

Muppet;Glad Henry enjoyed swimming. Alex loves his swimming class, he now rocks himself forward and backward when he is sat on the side as we sing Humpty Dumpty ready to jump in and closes his eyes for "had a great fall" knowing that he is going under!

Watching Eurovision...cant believe that we are coming below Germany, France, Bosnia and Latvia!!We were much better than that!!...I quite liked Armenia and Portugal. Ho Hum...politics strike again...if Terry retires I wont be watching again.

Well Anya was up at 3am this morning (not moaning Choc, honestly) - she's eating like a horse again too. She's almost crawling - she gets up on her hands and knees but then just rocks back and forth - it's only a matter of time before she realises she can put one leg in front of the other to move!

She was playing 'fetch' with herself yesterday - so funny to watch. She lay on her back with a rattle then stretched her arm out and dropped it. Then she rolled onto her front and shuffled/rolled round so she could pick it up again. Then she rolled back onto her back and dropped it again, etc. She did it for ages, right round the room. It was like watching a dog throw its own stick ! Think she was having the idea that she could go and get something that she wanted - it's funny how they've got to learn concepts like that isn't it?

Inzi - glad Jane's much better - and teeth at last!

Latvia were the best! A proper cheesy eurovision song. I did think Ukraine would win though with the eastern bloc behind them and a very very short skirt . And as somebody said yesterday if we'd had the Russian song we still wouldn't have won - we have no friends. I think that's part of the appeal now - we know it's all biased and we will always come bottom - it's not a serious competition, just something to be affectionately laughed at as Terry demonstrates so well. But dear god, what was France all about??