March 2007 - where the babies all get feisty and we "make rods for our own backs" or develop arms like a trucker!

[Mossy]

Couldn't help it!

Right. Had the porridge, got drawn into another bf thread, off to have some hot choc and then bed time!

I am trying to feed in the night but he keeps stopping after not very long and crying and then searching round me for more food. So I give him formula. That's what's been happening in the daytime too. If you've got any ideas that don't involve me trying to feed him hourly then I'll give it a go but limited feeding doesn't seem to be working.

I did think my milk seemed to be diminishing even before this - he started getting really frustrated during and after feeds and crying after. My boobs just don't seem to be full any more ...

Sazzy, Bertie too cries after a few moments on the breast sometimes... turns out some babies struggle with bf when they are teething and come off the breast crying with frustration...

Bertie settles much better now with lying down feeds; I feed him when he is sleepy so he hardly knows he is doing it. It is a bit of a pita as he's kind of gotten addicted to feeding lying down now. Might be worth a try?

Also very occasionally some babies get a bit of a preference for the fast flow of bottles and get very frustrated when at the breast as the milk doesn't flow as fast as they expect from the bottle so they pull off, or grab at the breast.

Could it be this? Sometimes it helps to massage the breast beforehand and express a little milk to stimulate the milk ejection reflex so milk is already flowing when he latches on. Again, feeding lying down can help because you are more relaxed and the milk flows more freely.

HTH... although if you do deffo want to keep bfing might it be worth having a chat with the lovely midwife who helped you in the early days when Elliot was taking 45 mins to feed from one breast?

hi guys
just popping in
mossy - are you my cyber twin or something???? all the babywearing and bfc? I'm starting a peer supporter course tomorrow. come to our bolton babywearers group - we are many and the force is strong with us
oh dam, got to go again, em is crying, short but sweet . . .

back! emily is sitting on her dads knee watching japanese invasion in ww2 - bit advanced for her age lol.

dolly - hols sound lovely and relaxing

rosy - sorry to read about your dh still being unwell, hope you are doing ok keeping the whole family going and dh is on the road to recovery

mossy - what is up with your dh? is he ok? are you ok? mil are always irritating aren't they? i won't be like that, oh no!

fox - work sounds great. dh is always spinning me a line about how hard he works but i suspect a fair bit of tea drinking/biscuit dunking time is involved. none of that at home with me and the kids of course

i'm doing a few cute classes at nurseries, it is soooo much fun, all these little bright eyed cherubs dancing round the room chanting in french, sweeeeet

Hi morocco
I got first af on my birthday ( yeah,thanks for that)and Ronnie still feeds loads.
Infact he has become a right pain. He now will only have breast milk or Hipp organic creamy rice breakfast , which he has breakfast, lunch and dinner. Got him weighed today and he's dropping down those centiles good and proper. I can see his shoulder blades poking through

no af yet - feeding dd3 about 6 times a day - long feeds.

SHe loves that fruit net thingy - she just gnaws away - sometimes growling like a dog that is gnawing a bone

lovely bit of rain but some wonderful storms here last night and looks like more tonight. i just managed to get dd2 calmed down when - she followed me into my bedroom - cue huge clap of thunder, dd2 almost leaping into my arms screaming and crying followed by a warm feeling spreading over my lap, duvet and down on to the carpet - poor wee thing had wet herself with the fright. I just laughed - was not my day yesterday and that just topped it off.

lots of talking from dd3 - swear she said hiya the other night, dh is convinced she is saying dad dad dad dad.

Anyway - more thunder rolling overhead to better log off before another storm hits.

aww Eidsvold, I've had days like that!

lucky I logged off when I did - huge hail storm - winds, heavy rain and golfball sized jagged hailstones. Thankfully no damage to our place - just had three crying screaming girls.

Dh got an emergency call out - he is in the SES and he is off to do storm cleanup - probably be out all night.

SES info It is a volunteer organisation - he joined to be part of the community and have some time out of this girly house!! But he loves it. They'll be out tarpulining roofs, chopping up and removing fallen trees, clearing away debris, boarding up broken windows etc.

Hi Mossy, yep I'm one of Foxie's mates.

I'm from Merseyside originally, back when it was Cheshire tho donchyaknow!

Good on you for the bra-less sling wearing and bf. That was me till earlier this year when dd self weaned at 15m Are you a co-sleeper too? dd also weaned out of my bed when she gave up the boob

Don't think I'll be having any more dc so I really treasure those memories.

I know that slingmeet's got a good/active group around teh North East. Maybe you should start a group off in the North West? Or check out your local NINO organisation perhaps?

Anyways, hope everyone's enjoying their dc. I can vouch that Foxie's ds2 is a gorgeous little chap. But then, going on ds1 and dd she's quite good at producing cuties!

Foxy - i am still b/f and have had two perioda now though the last was on a 40 days cycle! cant wait for them to become regular so i know when i am ovulating again!

with ref to b/f, he has formuala in the morning (only about 5 onces!) when he is with the minder as i think my milk is ging as would take ages to express. but he still feeds throughout the night! is it wrong to still have him in bed as it is the only way to get a good night sleep as i can put him down in his cot if he is really tired but then he can wake a couple of hours later screaming blue murder so i take him int obed put him on the boob and he will latch on and sleep with it still in his mouth. at the mo it is not an issue having him in bed as it is king size and just me in it! but hopig to start weaning him off.
another reason i am hoping to continue b/f is because i am quite lazy and really can not be doing with the sterilisation and measuring of milk. i just hope i can b/f him til at least a year!

I have Hasan in the bed with me too. Very cosy we are he doesn't settle for the night until I'm there beside him which is good because it makes me go to bed early which I need to do.

Rosy - do you not worry about him depending on the skin to skin contact to go to sleep? at the moment it is cute and manageable but i have a friend who did the same and no at 5 he still sneaks in her bed. i just hope that he transits to sleeping in his cot all night eventually. but like you at he moment it is nto a problem.

No AF for me - Samuel is having FAR TOO MUCH BOOB for that lol!! I don't think he's cut down at all since he was born - I've just added solids to the mix! He flatly refuses the bottle so it's me or the screaming ab dabs.

Whenever I try to battle it out with him in the hope he'll take a bottle he cries so much he throws up... nice...

I have certainly met my match with him. Totally his way or nothing. Yes, Mossy, I have a rod for my back too!

Still co-sleeping and all night feedathons.

glad I'm not the only one with a rod for my back I've got a collection now....
Bethoo I'm totally chilled about future sleeping arrangements because I think he'll just slot in with the other children (hopefully)
Now I'm on fourth baby, I just go with the flow and don't try to control things much. I used to be conscientious in my youth but not any more

ahhhhhhhhhhh found you!
will have to come back later
have Max and Emmy both sick with chest colds, Finn housebound and so bloody grumpy, he is nearly crawling ie; up on all fours galump, goes forward 1 inch, he has patience of a gnat so it is always followed by a forlorn squeal of frustration, bump squeal bump squeal.... And he only targets things he cannot have, like the bowl of pooey water I've just used to clean his bottom with and then when I move them - you guessed it he squeals like I stuck him with a spear...
Have posted on another thread dp is in bits, new job has bottomed out and he is in midlife crisis, well we are I guess, must be serious as we were up at 3am -5am talking abuit how awful things are at his job
Anywa got to dash love to all and hope poorly ones are getting better

sorry for rush and lack of reading posts
xx

Morocco thank you very much for the invite! But sadly Bolton is not in Merseyside so the travel is not subsidised - is actually quite expensive to get there and I am very, very skint!

Paddlechick could start Liverpool group but what if I'm the only one there?? I only really know me in rl who weaves lentils!!

Bethoo I still have Bertie in the bed. Tried moving him into a cot but it just didn't work out. Are you on Facebook? I have a really fascinating video about co-sleeping on my profile. Go on Facebook and look up Ruth Moss (Manchester). It's really interesting!

You know, my extra fantastic bf midwife says that both her dc's slept with them when they were kids. Her first slept through the night at about six weeks and loves her own room now she is seven. Her second was in her bed until about twenty two months and still crawls in with them some nights now she is five. She reckons it depends more on the child than on how you work it with them.

Muppet / Rosy let's paint our rods and put a jewel in the top then we can at least pretend to be Gandalf!!

Right Bertie grizzling... gotta go!!

Sorry Piffle didn't mean to ignore you have to sort B but will have proper read of your thread later.

Piffle, I am so sorry to hear bout DP's work troubles. I will go and read your other thread. Big love to you.

I co sleep some of the time with DD2 as she sitll feeds quite a lot and it's easier whem she is right there than having to go and get her. Had both of them in the bed last night. DD1 wanted to play and really played up for about 2 hours. As a result I have been in a tired mood all day. She has been demanding and generally minky - throwing toys, hitting me, biting DD2 etc. I am afraid taht I have not had the greatest pm. Oh well, tomorrow is another day (and she is at nursery ).

Hope everyone with poorly ones is doing ok and that things are getting better XXXX

weather sounds awful eids, i hate storms, poor dds.

sorry to hear about dh's job woes and mid life crisis stuff going on, piffle, v stressful with young children in the mix as well, i'll hunt out your thread later on but thinking of you and hoping you all get a good nights sleep tonight at least

shame mossy, we could meet on the border . it's not far from here but the roads are crappy as well. go on - set up a l'pool group. honestly (and no offence meant to any boltonians reading this if bolton can get enough lentilly weaving types together for a sling meet then anywhere can

Hi eeryone - [hugs] to Finn hope he gets better soon

DD is sick - vomiting and very tired

DS2 still waking me all night

will read your thread when Samuel has sleep piffle... (IF samuel has sleep)

watched the vid mossy! Shame we can't use our rods to wallop people over the head with when they come out with said cliche!

hugs to all with vomiting dcs.... we had it a couple of weeks back... hope you didn't catch it from us.

Shall we start a campaign to bring back diva????

Foxy

Aah, just had a flick throuhg the new thread and you lot make me laugh !

But also sad that so many babies (and husbands) aren't well. T & L both have snotty colds and coughs which seem to have been permanent for the last 3 months.

Great to hear that so many of you are still ploughing on with breastfeeding. Scarybee, similar happened to me with ds1, I struggled on until he was 9 months but then it just got frustrating and pointless. I'm still bfing the dts (and really 'enjoying' it), I keep trying on and off to give them a bottle ready for nursery but they aren't keen and don't drink much so I keep going back to fully bfing. But Fox, 9 times a day still ! No AF for me, but it came back after 6 weeks wiht ds1 despite fully feeding.

Drastic action taking place in our house at the moment. The dts have always been bad sleepers, it improved for a while and I thought we had cracked it, but recently has got really bad again. The other night i was up 7 times by 3am, and then was ready to scream. I hid in the ohter roomwith ear plugs in and let dh sort them out. In the morning I went in and he had one tucked under each arm and all were fast asleep! One problem is that they lose their dummies in the night, so last night we put them to bed wihtout dummies. It took about 20 mins for them to go to sleep (they cried and one of us went to resettle them every 3 mins), amazingly they slept much, much better and I don't htink I had to get out of bed until 3am ! Could it be progress????? !

Where has Diva gone?

Mossy - i am on face book - if you look up beth wilson-cochrane, there is only me. i find it hard finding people! mind you only created profile today!

Hayden not sleeping well either, nothing has changed he jjust wakes up crying every couple of hours and so i plonk him on the boob but these days it feels different, he has no teeth but could he have some coming up maybe? is it so obvious he is my first?!!

got in touch with my ex husband (well will be!) and he is dating a 25 year old! now i feel old at 30! how depressing.