June '07 - This season we will mostly be wearing Eau de Baby Sick

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CHICKS!!! Over here!

Have a good one Derlor

Have a good one yourself Derlor, and I'll see you on the 10th. I'll be on-line before then or I'll e-mail you.

Bumper...she's 5 weeks now isn't she? they have another growth spurt at about 5-6 weeks so it could be that. Don't worry about the exoressing, I never get much out unless my boobs are engorged. I just can't get the let down to work with the pump, so only ever get what's actually in my breast at the time.

Do you have any formula with you? maybe a formula feed to let you get a rest and then you'll have oodles to express in the morning.

you need to get the New Contented Little Baby Book....£6 in Tesco. It has all the routines. I'm following them loosely, allowing for the fact that I have another child to attend to as well!

daisy this may sound stupid but can you explain what you mean by getting the let down to work and only getting what's in your breasts at the time? But stupid as this breast feeding lark, trying to do it without even understanding the physiology of it all...

bumper, when I put babyboo on the breast, after the first few sucks I get a tightening feeling across the top of both breasts, which is quite uncomfortable. This is when your body starts to produce milk in response to the sucking.

I get that feeling at odd moments of the day (my laptop fan can trigger ot off) and if I touch my breasts they leak like a sieve. I never get that feeling when using the pump.

Good Old Kellymom explains it better than I can!

Blimey - DD wkoe up right on schedule - didn't even need to uncover and turn the lights up

Just a fluke I think - better go and feed her!

Night all - hope you and your babies get plenty of sleep

LOL charlie...maybe she's been reasding the book when you've not been looking

right...my DD is now awake....talk to you tomorrow, but I'm having another day of domestic goddess-ness (is that a word even? otherwise we go on holiday with rumpled drier creaased clothes.

G'night

Bumper just think calm and relaxed thoughts, if your mum is making you feel tense it won't be helping.

Take Carexx

Morning everyone, we had an awful night here last night. Charlie was really unsettled and I think it was probably due to the osteopath yesterday. He's now asleep having refused 'breakfast' (hence right nork very full).

Daisy, where and when are you on hols?

If it suits more people I can definitely do the week after (ie 23rd August) for Horniman's

Morning all

Think you're right Daisy, she read the book while I wasn't looking. Up at 3am for a feed, then 6.50am. Fed, washed and dressed by 7.30am and is currently on my lap happily sucking my finger!

Bed in a little while and hopefully I'll get a shower

Annobal - sorry you had such a dreadful night - hopefully the osteopaths magic will work tonight.

Off to put DD to sleep

later x

I can do anytime for Hornimans...and would like to come if that's ok? I have cabin fever and am lonely!

oh btw not getting online much as am at my parents and their internet connection is pants, I could contact you all by courier pigeon and it would be faster.

I have had a bad few days, tiredness seems to have caught up with me to the point where I went a bit psycho yesterday and spent most of the morning in tears.
Not PND or anything...just BLOODY TIRED. DS keeps waking up on the hour, every hour...he has the snuffles and can't breathe too well, and can't eat too well, and so for almost a week I have existed on 2 hours sleep. I drove to my parents in essex with DS and the dog in the hope I could get some help from someone... mum has been good but she works full time, but still, I can at least relax a bit now.

Trouble is I haven't lived in Reading long, I have no friends/family nearby (In fact I am pretty short-changed on the friends front full stop) and I have really been struggling.

Sorry for long post...just thought I'd vent a bit.

Hi TA

You poor thing . Apparently the GP can give saline nose drops to help clear snuffly babies noses so they can feed properly - may be worth a visit?

Friday today, so perhaps your mum can have him in with her tonight and let you get some sleep?

Know what you mean about the friens bit. I have lived in my town for 2.5 years and know no-one except my neighbours!

Trouble with me is is that I suffer with anxiety and cannot bring myself to go to groups with DD as I get all worked up - old first time mum, everyone will be looking at me etc etc. I know its irrational, but can't help it. Means I don't mix very well with people I don't know.

That's why MN is so important - I learn so much from you lot and is making this parenting lark a lot easier than it would be otherwise.

So vent away - you need to, and you're doing it to people that know exactly where you're coming from.

Did you speak to HV about ds's feeding?

hope you have a better day x

Mum won't have him at night, my Dad gets even more psycho than I do if he goes without his sleep!

I think the snuffles are getting better, he is feeding more normally now and I did get 4 hours sleep last night. I am a long way from home though, I haven't seen HV in a while. Mum had 5 kids though so she is pointing me in the right direction! Also, my DH is driving over tomorrow first thing so I will give him the job of feeding for a night!

I don't know what groups there are to join! I would like to go to a swimming group and just a general group but I have been too tired to make a cup of tea lately let alone do groups! It's my aim to go though, as soon as I get more than 4 hours sleep for 3 nights in a row I will start investigating social things

Would like to do the london meet up though... something to look forward to and the ladies here have been so amazing and supportive it would be nice to extend beyond the 'virtual-ness' of it all.

I am going to admit my badness though...don't hate me all... but I have found that DS WILL NOT settle on his back. Nope. I have now spent many hours soothing, rocking, swaddling etc etc etc. However, he is as happy as larry on his belly.

So...I weighed it up and figured that his risk of SIDS was lower than his risk of severe psychological damage at the hands of a mother that gets no sleep.
On his back...I get 2 hours sleep a night. On his belly, I get 4 hours +.

The 'right thing' or the 'right thing for me'?

If he is happy and you get some sleep, then it is the right thing FOR BOTH OF YOU .

I can get to Hornimans in about an hour from here.....will think about that one.....

Morning! How are you all today?

Charlie is right, TA, do what's right for both of you.

Am sorry you feel so crap, its all part of it. It good that you recognise if for what it is and not panicking about PND. It gets easier, honestly - and then it just gets better and better. You are doing a great job BTW!

God, Bumper, what a situation! Been following it on the news - its terrible! Hope it all is OK for tomorrow.

Am good for Hornimans week of 23rd. Can do 16th too, if you want to do another meet up too Annobal.

My DD slept started her 'big' sleep at 5pm last night, which was great as I got tea, bath and bed done easily, but did mean that she's pretty much been up since 4.15. We managed to doze until 6, then I handed her over to DP who was up with DD1. He looked miserable and said "I need some sleep". Not as much as me, buddy! And he's working away this weekend, so he has two nights of sleep and two mornings of not getting up before 8am. Bet he still goes to the bar until 2am though

Charlie, do try to come and meet up. You all ready 'know' us so hopefully that will help, and you know you won't be the only first-time mum.

Although once you've met all my lot it might put you off having any more ...

all ready? or already?

my brain is mush, my typing appalling and my spelling and grammer is not as good as my 5 yo's! doh!

Morning chicks!

Morning...

TA sorry things are still a bit ropey for you. My DS preferred to sleep on his front as well, but I was badgered by hospital/MW/HV
to put him on his back. meant no sleep for me for about a week but we eventually got him in the habit of it, but it sounds like your DS is more determined than mine. Have you tried swaddling him so he can't flail his ams around?

There was a thread on here last week about things you did with your second dc that you didn't do with your first/or did against current advice and a surprising number of people said baby slept on their front. I'll try to find the link.

And FWIW, both of my nephews slept on their front as that was the advice given 22 years ago and as soon as my DS could roll over he slept on his front every night annd still does!

It sounds like you guys will have a sizeable number for your meet-up. Derlor, Tallulah and I will be a mini-meet in comparison.

Annobal, I'm off to a cottage on the east coast tomorrow for a week (DS has been doing a sun-dance this morning), then home for a few days before babyboo and I go up to Scotland to see the rellies.

Here we are TA. Read this and feel better about whatever it is/isn't/you're supposed to be/not supposed to be doing.

Some of them made me laugh.

Morning all quicky from me as taking ds 1 to library (andiem polishes good mother halo) can definitely do 23rd onwards for Horniman the more the merrier would be good to meet some of you guys in RL
Can't wait to meet foxy wonder mother of 4 always my fantasy but unfortunately nature had other ideas.

Charlie I am old too 41 so no shame there we can have an oldies meet

TA so sorry you are having a hard time would be good if you could come to the meet

Daisy have a good day being dg and I bet you have a cleavage to match nigellas as well

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