In the midst of injections and various angst the April mummies struggle through.....

[EllieK]

thought this quite apt

sorry to see you're down CD, i'd text you but my bro has gone home with my phone

dang - missed you all and nutty - you had gone to bed.... off to lift my wee one now but i hear the start of hungry grunts anyhow..

Say what ya want love, i aint bovvered!

she was getting on my nerves

we're still her WO

Mine too, thought it was very tactfully done! And cant believe theres what, 1 or 2 weeks betwen our babies but im looking for 0-3 and you want 3-6 Am abit actually about dylan still being such a skinny little thing when all other babies i see have lovely chubby cheeks and that 'proper baby' look as opposed to scrawny newborn look. NOT that i mean i am disappointed in him, i mean at my lack of milk and me not being able to fatten him up. Oh well, we'll get there.

I am going now, dylan was asleep on my lap, have just carried him up to his moses basket and he's still asleep so i really need to go and try and sleep while i can.

Night all

Right, had a little catch up & posting quickly before off to bed .....

@ your garden KHIN - Well done you & DH - fantastic transformation - v.impressed!! Glad F enjoyed her Birthday Party!

WCL - Recommend Baby Bjorn as a "normal" sling -v.quick, simple & easy to use - forward facing and inward facing .....

Nutty - Leave her!!! "Never wake a sleeping baby if you can help it" - That is my philosophy and I am sticking to it - Dream Feeding is also a good idea, although I always find when they are quite young, the wind wakes them up after a short while ..... Also ....... Keep forgetting to say - I got the curtains this morning - THANK YOU!!!!! They are fab! Please let me send you some money for them - the postage alone was astronomical!! ......

Right. Bed.

Well, we've had a busy and sociable couple of days, I started off the week feeling sorry for myself because it seeemed like no one was coming round. Yesterday we had 5 visitors - a friend nearby in the morning, and two of our other best friends in the evening, Charli and Andrew with his two daughters.

Today was the Breastfeeding Network group, although I haven't managed to bf though I wanted to, it's quite welcoming anyway, some people still come with toddlers etc. And Danny woke up about half way through for the 1st time in 4 visits, I even got him latched on briefly to feed. And again this evening. There is still SOME milk coming through, so maybe I will try a bit more breastfeeding. I think what I feel awkward about though, which is a problem, is feeding in front of male relatives (eg my dad) and friends. More so than in public in front of strangers.

Some of us went for lunch to a cafe which is pretty tolerant of the space taken up by a crowd of women with buggies, I'm really getting to appreciate the area with new eyes.

My dad came round this afternoon for a little while.

And I've been invited to a school reunion on a weekend when I was already going to be in Yorkshire anyway. Sounds potentially interesting on a number of levels, and my mum was very encouraging and keen to help with babyminding and lifts.

Tomorrow's my 6 week check up at the doctor's, and I will take Danny, they know I've got him, what do they think I'll do with him? I also have to take Danny to see the health visitor as opposed to her seeing him, but it's very near home and he has an individual appt to be weighed which is easier than the scrum in the weigh in which is queue up, take a number and then wait to be called, we were no 70 so there must be approaching 100 babies a session.

Now, definitely bedtime or I'll be waking up slumped on the keyboard or sofa.

Take care all.

hi elkie
are you still coming to the meet-up?

Yes, I intend to come to the meet up! That's Friday 22nd isn't it?

it is

elkie - goo don you fo rstill rying the bf. i know what you mean about feedin in front of olks but i am getting a bit more confident. manage i at teh support gorups and have een doen it nce ou tin a cafe. ii tend to stick to nursing mothers rooms when out in public but - who knows - maybe one day will go with a maveta / pesha mobile shopping feed!

up early for another expressing session. trying to build up my milk supply but also teh freezer stock. the bags are multplying!

typo queen yet again

It's not going to be a good day. DS was a star again last night and didn't wake til 6 BUT dd decided that was the best night to overfill her nappy and wake at 4.30. So I had to get up and change her bed. I can quite honestly say i'm sick of getting no sleep. I know it's not going to stop for a fair while but I have had enough of feeling tired/upset etc. I keep getting cross with dd and it's just not on, but she is so wearing.

Things I normally wouldn't get annoyed about are pissing me off.

There is a lttle light at the end of a long tunnel. We have a day/night off tomorrow. I really need it. MIL is having the dc overnight. Not sure when they're going tomorrow but dh is home so it won't be too bad. I can quite honestly say i won't miss them. How sad is that? I love them to bits I just need a break.

Anyway please give me a slap and tell me to stop being so selfish.

Hioe everyone else has a good day

Oh and to top of my mood dd has decided that the dvd she wants to watch is the most inane nusery rhyme crap. Roll on 9.15 when we leave the house to take her to preschool. I want ot poke my eyes out listening to it arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I have juts asked her to watch something else. Apparently we can when this has finished. Oh joy

ellie thanks so much for the update emails, I at last know who's done/said what since I read all the posts but it doesn't register who is saying things! Thank you

oo Eddas, lucky you!

WO - lol - I must add that the fact I have small boobs helps a lot in the public breastfeeding thingy.. even full of milk they´re no bigger than a C (huge for me!) so I can be fairly subtle about it which I can imagine may be harder if you´ve got a mammoth pair

Elkiedee - second WO in saying good on you for not giving up 100% on bf-ing, I know you would be so happy if you could breastfeed him a little bit so I hope you manage.

feeling grumpy this morning, dh had band practice last night and N didn´t settle til 11pm, dh got in shortly after and then I went to bed, then I did the night feed (of course) and N´s been moany again this morning, think he needs a big poo and isn´t quite managing it. So I feel like I´ve not had a break at all. Have told dh that he´s free to go off and play his drums but when he does, I´ll get a bottle of ebm ready and HE can do the night feed. seems fair to me..

morning ladies
have finally admitted that my bad days are more than just bad days
i know (and have done for a while) that i'm depressed, but i have been hoping that i could get myself through it like i have done in the past
but it's just not happening
i keep crying at everything and i'm feeling really lonely
have spoken to the health visitor today and she wants me to see GP so have an appointment at 12. still don't want to go but i know i have to (at the very least i need them to get the housing people off my back, i'm trying to get the bloody forms done but keep crying over them!)

now, no hugs or anything please, I know you're all there for me, but I really don't do

Morning all. Have caught up on the thread and a FEW things have stuck in my seive like brain.

Pesha - hugs re D's weight. I'm sure he's absolutely fine. I bf all mine and although Ruby is a porker, DD2 hung around the 9th percentile. Only now, aged 5, is she a bit more of an average weight. I'm sure he's taking what he wants.

Maveta - waves to fellow Spain dweller. Sounds like the feeding's going really well. Well done to you for the cloth nappies - and nutty. I never managed it . Our GP doesn't talk about percentiles either, but there is a grid in the back of R's health book with them on.

Eddas - sorry about the lack of sleep. Don't feel guilty about not feeling sad to hand over your DC. Everyone needs a break and feeling guilty won't help your DC, whereas feeling happier and more relaxed when they return will.

Ellie - can you add me to the round ups? We're off to the UK soon for summer and I'll have much less access to the internet there. My e mail is juliecnewton at yahoo dot co dot uk. Thanks. And well done for doing them. I can't even contemplate how much work that is.

Big waves to twin mummies - v impressive job you are doing. Hi to everyone else SOKL, CD, WO...

Well R moved her bedtime back from midnight until nearly 2 last night . And DS woke up at 1am wanting water (although bless him, he drunk 3 beakerfuls down in one - am sure that skill will stand him in good stead later on - so he must've been thirsty. It's very hot here). But then I slept until just after 9. R woke me, DS was still asleep and DH and DD1 and 2 had already gone - bless DH! So feeling not too bad.

REALLY must go and get some housework done.

Ellie - sorry, x post (it takes me a long time to think and type!). No hugs, but didn't want it to look like I was ignoring you. I really hope the GP is helpful. Good on you for asking for help.

Morning all.

Ellie, no hugs but I hope the GP is helpful, you've been a star on this thread keeping us all organised.

WCL, if you get a baby bjorn I'd recommend the one with a lumbar support. I've got the ordibary one & couldn't carry dd in it beyond 4 months and ds is already getting quite heavy in it. I've got an ergo, which is fab and I can walk for miles in it but the infant insert is a bit of a faff and babies can't face out in the front carrying mode.

Eddas, sorry you're having crap nights. I can't speak for anyone else but I know I'm not being a good enough mother to dd especially as I get tired by the afternoon which is when she gets all clingy and demanding. Makes me very sad & guilty. She's at nursery today so I'm torn between missing her and being relieved that I can get some housework etc done. Then I feel guilty for having her in nursery when I'm not working.

I'm another one with teeny boobs before pregnancy - I can't get over having size C cups at the moment, what a novelty . Pity they'll be spaniel's ears when I stop BF .

Planning on weaning at 6 months. TBh the research suggests that this is the average age babies are ready which means some are ready before but as it's all about gut maturity I've figured that it'll be better to wait if I can. Weaned dd earlier and feel bad about it as she got diarrhoea & nappy rash and wasn't really interested in solids until 8 or 9 months. Mind you might chnage my mind if ds is sucking me dry by 4 months !

Hi everyone,

Ellie, sorry to hear you're feeling like this, hope the doctor's able to help. I had no idea you were feeling like this, you don't tend to admit to bad days (apart from the odd rant ), please don't feel like you always have to be cheerful here when you just don't feel cheerful.

I'm having a bad day (but not in the same way). T seems to have gone back to waking twice in the night and then ridiculously early in the morning. This morning I was using his dummy as a snooze button - just 5 more minutes! I don't know what's going on, during the day he's so much better than he was, settled, feeding every 3 or 4ish hours, either sleeping or entertaining himself awake. In the evenings, he's a little screaming grouch until he wears himself out, and then he's just started doing this through the night. Hopefully this is a growth spurt.

To add to this, I have had a sore throat for a few days (no other cold symptoms tho) and a swollen gum - just as my dentist has stopped treating on the NHS and I haven't sorted anything else out Seems to be getting better on its own with the Listerine treatment, but I'll have to register with another dentist, fast!

Thanks for the sling discussion, I'm bidding on a baby bjorn thanks to the recommendations. Except I've just realised I've already got a baby carrier (given to me by a friend who didn't use it) and I don't know what it is! Hopefully not a BB! It's OK but I don't feel that T is particularly well held by it (when I lean over he feels as thoguh he might slide out) and it doesn't ahve good neck support, which doesn't matter any more when he's awake, but it would be useful for when he falls asleep on me.

Wow what a post!

Oh and Ellie, (((hugs))) hun!

sorry, couldn't resist, don't send me to the naughty corner

Awww Ellie. No hugs as prescribed, but hope the GP is helpful. Full marks to you for going.

SOKL - Bedtime here is fine if DH is here, but really, really tricky if not. When he was out the other night I ended up just putting Orla down and letting her yell while I settled N, and then going in and feeding her afterwards. In theory what we do is:
6.30pm - Orla kicking time on changemat, me getting all bath stuff ready, N watching telly
6.45pm - Orla into bath in her bath seat
7.00pm - Orla out, top up bath with hot water for N, then she gets in while I get O into sleepsuit and sometimes start feeding her in the bathroom.
7.10 - N out of bath, into her bedroom for stories etc, me feeding Orla. This is where it gets tricky and noisy with O tired and fretful, N wanting full attention and quiet storytime, me having to walk around the room feeding etc. If DH is in I will more than likely retreat to our room with O and leave him to settle N.
7.30 - N into bed with story CD on, take O into our room and continue feeding with dimmed lights
7.45ish - Orla down
7.45 - 9.00ish - up and down the stairs to calm down (a) alternately screaming and grizzling baby, and (b) overactive 4 year old who wont settle down for sleep.

Hmmmmm. Is magic when they are both settled though . . .

Am I mad to really want another baby? Not at the moment obviously but in 9 months??

Not mad Katy ! Just mildly deranged. Actually, despite my moanings, two hasn't been as hard as I expected. Deep down I fancy a third....