August 2015. It's all about food consumption and late nights at Bar Mugabe Nights

[Dozygirl]

New thread for us fast talkers

Mzzzf happy bday!! Hope you are tucking into the Chinese.

DS had another shocker of a night. Hey ho. I coped when he was newborn. It will be ok. We can all do this. After a few days of feeling shit and down, today, despite no sleep it all feels ok. So just enjoying feeling positive and blocking out the lack of sleep.

Fanby congrats on the cot nap. DS is having none of it at all still. Boo.

Slow i had the exact same 'where's the baby panic' last night too. Woke up hugging DH and couldn't remember where I'd put DS. Thankfully back in his cot.

Lily rant away about the hubby. Mine has upped his game after my last out burst. We'll see how long he goes.

Hurray for start of December. Is it sad that despite being a 36 year old wife and mother, I still get sent an advant calendar by my mum!

Will no doubt see some of you later in magabues.

Shall I get the first round in? It's definitely an expresso martini kind of night for me!

Today i learnt that snotty baby + overtired baby = cry all day baby. Not fun!
I think he's a bit better the last hour or so. He's currently snoring on my lap, holding on to and nuzzling the boob.

We don't really have a routine grok, so I just let him sleep as long as he wants if he needs to catch up. I hope your little one is better asap.

No spare room siani? Balls! On a more serious note, I do hope you manage to persuade him to see the gp.

Yup slow, I have noticed that he's loads more alert and much more coordinated when he's reaching for stuff. He's also now able to work out where a sound is coming from and turn his head to look for it.
Poor babies with all this hard work on top of their colds.

We have the mega drools, chomping and a bit more vom as well random. 6 bibs and counting today.

I've been wandering about sleep patterns changing as well magrat. Ds has turned into a very light sleeper this week. But it could be that he's poorly.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY mzzf 🎈
I hope you utterly destroyed the Chineese and patisserie yumness.

So pleased that things feel better for you this week fanby.

Happy birthday Mzzf! Hope you had a lovely day.

Slow, v good and persuasive argument to put to DH but he's from down south so has come to the sport late. He's a big NFL fan though so likes RL as it reminds him of American Football!

Was Babushka today? I remember it being the Christmas story that affected me most profoundly as a child.

Lily, my DH does things like that and we end up having a massive blowout row after which he improves for a few days and then goes back to his old ways. Whenever we are getting ready to go anywhere he just looks after himself and I have to do both children. If I ask him to do a job it takes him so bloody long I wish I had done it myself!

Frolic, first the shit and now the snot. You have had some wars to fight lately! Wonder if it will be sick next to complete the hat trick. I hope not for your sanity!

Grok & Fatty, hope you get more sleep tonight. I am vaguely hopeful of improvement tonight as DS settled well at 8 and is still asleep albeit downstairs.

I'm with Random in that we don't have routine yet. DS just has to fit in with what we are doing and actually seems to be an easier baby than DD was because he learnt to nap on the go early on. Shame nights are still shit though.

Dozy, I really hope the shields make bfing easier for you.

I have to transfer DS to the crib and hit the hay myself now. See some of you in Mugabe Nights l am sure.

I have DP here tonight so I can sleep. I've been a grumpy fecker most of today
I need to apologise to my DC. I've been snappy and moody. It's not their fault.
I need to phone the doctor in the morning. I need pain killers. Being in pain doesn't help my mood either.
DP finally saw Nathan in one of his hissy fits today. He now agrees with me that I'm allowed to be stressed after having overtired screaming for 2 hours.
Happy birthday mzzzf
I'm full of a cold again. And the shits. I blame DS1. The kitten tried to steal the cot. He got thrown out. Cheeky bugger.

I definitely have "where's the baby" panic!! Guess it's to be expected with all our late nights but that feeling of panic is something else! I never remember putting her down.

LO went down at 9 tonight but was up again by 10, down at11 but up again at 11.30. She's finally asleep on me now. Poor thing starts coughing and crying and wakes up. Luckily we have dr in the morning so hopefully can find something to help her.

Have a feeling I'll be at Mugabes all night. I'll join you for another espresso martini if you fancy one, Frolic!

I'm here with a poorly baby. He woke up at 10 coughing and screaming. His temp was 38 so I gave calpol and finally got him calm enough to feed. We had an hour sleep and now awake again. I think it will be a long night.

I was reading up on sleep regression and it seems 4 months is the time their sleep changes from being like a newborn to be more like ours with rem and a 90 minute cycle so you probably will find they are sleeping lighter.

Happy birthday Mzzf for yesterday hope you get plenty of sleep.

Fatty so sorry you had a crappy night. Hope tonight is better and dp lets you have a long lie.

Can't remember what else everyone has said but hoping it's quiet in the bar tonight although I expect I'll be back soon. Get the exprezzo martinis lined up.

Whoop, whoop! I've got the whistle and glow sticks out at Mugabe's tonight to celebrate our first decent stretch of sleep for several nights. The back of the throat snot seems to have eased up slightly - hurrah!

magrat just as you get used to one 'pattern they change it up don't they! Just to keep us on our toes I think . Thinking back to grumpy 1 I wouldn't alter your daytime plans at this stage as you'll probably find that daytime sleep continues to drift around a lot for some months yet. Grumpy 1 didn't properly settle into a reliable 'nap after lunch' pattern until she was a bit older than this lot are.

frolic DS sounds like he is making great strides. Watching them do new stuff is so brilliant. The reward for all the snot, shit, sick and sleeplessness. We saw a friend today whom we only saw 10 days ago and she couldn't believe the change in grumpy 2!

kbro, grok there is nothing quite like the horror of waking up thinking you have squashed the baby. It's one of my least favourite aspects of parenting.

nolonger ah, I see. My DH is from Watford and my family have been on a concerted programme of brainwashing for over a decade now. It's worked, finally. Babushka is next Monday-Wednesday. I've heard a lot of the songs but grumpy 1 remains vague on the detail of the plot. To be fair she is pretty vague on the detail of anything to do with the school day, apart from what they had for lunch. With her love of food she'd fit right in at Mugabe nights.

fatty get yourself to the docs this morning and feel better. And don't beat yourself up about snapping at the DCs, we've all done it. It does them no harm to realise Mum is only human too and that everyone had tough days.

Okay grumpy 2 has finished and DH is showing no signs of life. Must go thump him harder

Briefly whilst I'm grabbing N espresso martini or 2...

Mzzf happy birthday for yesterday- Chinese and pat val sounds absolutely epic!!

Yes to the 'where's the baby' panics- although no where near aa bad as the newborn days where I would regularly lose lots of sleep doing it- how any of you mange to co sleep I don't know I'm paranoid enough I've squashed him when I know he's not in bed with me never mind if he was! I have spent at least half an hour tonight in a groggy half sleep thinking I was holding him in bed when I could even hear him grizing in his sleep in the Moses at the foot of the bed!!

Ok come on someone explain babushka- I've never heard of it!?

It sounds like I need to stop biting my lip and unleash hell on DH to get him to fall in line for a bit then! He's just pulled a blinder- as I've mentioned he has never once heard DS in the night sleeping through all sorts of noise/ crying etc- I've just finished feeding him and he was prett much sparko but as I went to lift him into my shoulder to half wind/ half keep upright before popping him back to bed he coughed a tiny cough/ cue DH diving up from his sleep and lurching at us trying to grab DS!! Wtf!!? scared DS and woke him up ffs!!! He reckons he had 'visions of him falling' OMG!

Mega unsettled here tonight- didn't poo yesterday and he's usually a once a day kind of guy so when he doesn't he seems uncomfortable and wriggles, moans and trumps lots in his sleep. I leant over the Moses when he woke before I fed him to have a sniff to check he hadn't and he grab two massive handfuls of my hair- ouchy!!! I don't recommend it ladies- tired, middle of the night fighting your hair from the vice like clutches of your lo in the dark is not the most fun I've had in a while!!

Back soon to catch up properly!

I'm back, poorly babies are the pits. Just watched ds1 shuffle his way into our room. He didn't even notice me sat on the sofa feeding. I hope i can transfer him back to his bed when I go back in, otherwise he is awake for the day around 6am when ds2 wakes for a feed.
Yes the only baboshka I know is the Kate Bush song. Is it something christmasy? I thought it meant grandma in Russian I am now off to throw myself around the dance floor like kate Bush, who's with me?

Bloody hell this is the pits. DS sleep just keeps getting worse. Being woken hourly after a single two hour stretch at the start of the night. I gave calpol too, thinking it would help. Nope.

He does feed but not a great deal. But he properly shouts until I boob him. And I'm afraid he'll wake DD. so can't even give him a minute to see if he settles.

Tried to give expressed milk too, and he gave up after just under 2oz. So not even sure if I can be bothered with trying formula. Considering putting him down in his stomach, against all the guidelines. I'm close to cracking up. I thought DD was a difficult baby but at least she gave me more sleep even through the regression.

Happy birthday mzzzf.

Solidarity fist bumps to all those with non sleepers.

Rubbish sleep here for last couple of nights - DD just wants to lie on me and feed all night - gave in and got up at 4am - made some mince pie cookies - house smells nice and Christmassy now[santa]. I know I need to start refusing DD so much feeding in the night but hate having to go through the crying this will provoke and the possibility of waking other DCs up - joy!!

mzzzf hope you had a lovely birthday yesterday and you got a bit sleep as an extra treat

fatty aawwww to very cute kitten!

lily a hair grab can be very sore - all my DDs have very long hair and they are always squealing when baby grabs it - once toddler was crying as she couldn't move whilst baby tugging away - shouldn't laugh but it did look quite funny

Routine - no routine here with baby - she just has to fit in around what everyone else is doing - she typically will be sleeping soundly in her Moses basket when I have to take her out in afternoon to do school run - so unfair!!

Thanks for the birthday wishes ladies! I'm looking forward to my pressie this weekend of a night away for dinner, show and hotel sleeping!!! OMFG I am going to sleep my arse off!!!

I read that about the baby sleep cycles changing too. I read a lot during the nights due to mini mzzzf and her love of not sleeping! Last night wasn't too bad, only had three wake ups and one was for food so I can deal with that. But massive sympathies to those of you doing more - it's crap isn't it!! DD is officially 4 calendar months old today so wondering if sleep regression will hit/has hit or that I might not notice any difference from her normal night times anyway!!!!

Oh yes I love a bit of Kate Bush - she's deliciously nuts! I know have the babushka tune in my head!

Oh and yes yes yes to getting an advent calendar from my mum still - I love that she does that

Off to open door number 2 now! I love an official reason to gob chocolate before my breakfast. Health visitor this afternoon for 4mth check!!!

rrra I put DS down on his side all the time, seems to work WAY better than putting him on his back. He just starts gagging and spitting up on his back. He can't roll from his side onto his front but can do back to side and usually ends up on his back after a few hours. I worried at first, but putting him down on his back was only protecting him in the sense that he was never asleep!

Morning!
Ds has been snoring his shortly little head off since 12. Thank fuck for that. He forgot to tell my boobs about the change of plan though so I've had to get up to pump.
Sorry so many other babies have the snots. I swapped last night from saline drops to spray. It seems to go up a bit further and be more effective at clearing. The initial shock does produce a bit of a scream.

My pregnancy was the war on sick nolonger!

Cute kitten fatty. I hope you got some well deserved sleep and feel better.

I hope you made it to bed grok.

That's interesting everything - I've been too scared to even read about the 4 month regression.
I hope Ds is better quickly. Poorly babies really are the pits.

double yay for a decent stretch of kip.

I've got long hair lily, and it's amazing how hard a 3 month old can pull.

rrra

Beautiful looking cookies there loves - I'll have 2, please

Shit! The breast pump has woken the baby.

X-posts.

Your weekend away sounds great mzzf. Try to leave the hotel room one or twice, won't you!

Mzzf happy birthday for yesterday. Hope u have a lovely sleep filled night away. Enjoy.

Frolic how is ds today? Must be so horrible to see them ill. Dd so far as just had the snuffles but not in a bad way. I miss the newborn snuggles. She feels so robust now. My dad told me off yeterdsy for doing 'round and round the garden' too violently yesterday. I really wasn't and she was giggling so she clearly loved it

I'm loving the new giggles she's learning to do. Each time she does it, it's getting more and more clearer. It's just the cutest sound in the world. I've heard lots of babies giggle but when it's your baby learning it, it melts your heart in a way u didn't know possible.

And the smiles and giggles make up for all the crap time they give u. I feel like I'm going round in circles and sounding like a broken record with this bf malarkey. Im getting nowhere fast with it. Of course at bf group on Monday when I was desperate for support after a terrible weekend she was good as gold while there. Then I go home and she's a screaming mess again. And all dp can say is that she needs a bottle and she'd clearly be a happier baby on a bottle.

She starts off really well first thing in the morning and feeds off me no problem but as the day goes on she gets worse. I want to do what's best for her by bf but it's like I'm torturing her making her do it.
Have had several tears over it the last few days.

But I'm sick of talking about it too. I want to give it one more week. I'll see how today goes. Finger crossed for a better day.

Dozy, just take it a feed at a time. Remember The BF relationship has to work for both of you. Yes breast milk may be best, but happy mum and baby are most important. I really do feel for you as honestly sounds exactly like my experience with DD.

I'm impressed you got up and baked love!! I instead chose to stay in bed and sob! I don't know how you can refuse to feed as an abstract idea, just because DS is just so noisy and shouty. I'd be happy to give him a few mins to settle but we have no door on our room and our house is not very soundproof. And two children awake would definitely push me over the edge!

Did anyone else have sleep regression starting at 13 weeks? Or is it growth spurt to be followed by regression? At this rate the regression will just mean no sleep at all!!

Ds1 is still off school. Poor lad has just farted then ran off to the loo to check he hadnt pooed 😂 I shouldnt laugh but the panic on his face as he went running past. He's just shouted to me, its not poo, its just a wet one. Thanks Alex, I needed to know that
This means I can't go to the doctor as I've no one to look after him and I don't drive which means a 40 minute walk with all 3 DC. So not going to happen.

That's interesting about the change of sleep style for the sleep regression. DS is way harder to transfer into cot now. He used to go from my arms to cot really easily but it's currently taking several goes. The best thing to do seems to be to let him fall asleep next to me on our bed and leave him for ages then transfer. My little prince likes to sleep on our mattress. He is also much harder to get to sleep in the day. He's never gone down in his cot during the day but would nap on my lap after 2 dummy sucks. Now he needs rocking and cheek stroking and head rubbing. Yep. He is my little prince alright. It does feel like he has forgotten how to sleep. Saying that he managed 4 hours in one go last night. God I feel better for that. Thank you DS. And and to everyone suffering.

Loves I am terrible for offering boob at night. The problem is I don't know what else to do. My parenting style is very much if in doubt offer boob.

Lily I find going mental at dh's is the only way forward. Nolonger I hear you on the just getting himself ready. I have also realised that DH needs it spelling out what I mean by getting DS ready. If I don't tell him he will never sort the nappy bag or change a nappy pre outing. Just put DS coat on and think he's done.

Mzzzf have an amazing night out. I'd be tempted to skip dinner and the show and just sleep the entire time!!

Happy lunchtime all,

OMG the war on snot. I am very, very over this now. As is DH. The weird thing is that it doesn't seem to bother her so much during the day (she'll happily sleep for hours in the pram) but lying her flat at night produces huge amounts of grunting and phlegmy choking noises. Curious. Time to prop the end of the cot up methinks.

Oops, she's clearly had enough of being left on the play gym. I hear grumpy sounds...

Oh, just a quick note - have an AMAZING time mzzzf. You definitely deserve a good nights sleep lady

DS is on his 2nd nap of the day in his cot The first only lasted 35 minutes- let's see how much time I get for this caramel coffee this time!

Sending mulled wines to all those who had naff nights last night- same here too he was really unsettled! He did go back to sleep at 0730 till 0845 so at least I got an hour there. I swear he sleeps better when DH isn't in bed!!

Loves- I am so impressed with your 4am baking!! They look beautiful!!

Mzzf- have an amazing time on your weekend away- I would ditch the meal out and eat takeout on the luxurious hotel bed in my pjs and then sleep forever and ever then order room service brekkie and stay in bed even longer!! Haha! I'm desperate for a weekend away but I'm not sure I'm ready to leave DS overnight yet.

I've got the dreaded hen do on Saturday and will be leaving DS from about 11am till whatever time I come home, I'm terrified not necessarily over leaving him that long but that it's the longest by far DH has ever flown solo! He's taking him swimming alone too and it stresses me out getting him ready solo and DH is a massive stress head so just hope he manages to keep calm and enjoy it!

Kbro- DS seems to have improved daytime sleep- he has gone spend naps within 5-10 minutes he last 2 days- or maybe I'm just picking up on his cues better because he is really really fighting going to sleep at night! I've quit trying to let him fall asleep in his Moses on his own for now and keep him on my knee stroking his face and shushing with my nose against his forehead- usually for at least 45 mins!!!

Sorry so many are suffering snot wars- DS is yet unaffected but he's done 2X poos today neither of which I smelt before finding them in his nappies and I feel rather stuffy so I think I'm about to get snotted up myself!! Damn!

Ok project nap has just approached the 35 minute mark- let's see how much longer he can manage- finger crossed!

Hello all. I keep writing posts and not being able to send them. Having just mastered bfing in the sling, currently snuggled up with J on the sofa.

It's been a mixed few days - we had our first out of routine evening for a while last night, as we were at a first aid class. J took a while to settle and has been ratty most of today.

I'm having a call from someone from our local talking therapies for an assessment. Am slightly nervous, but hoping it will point me in the right direction. I have been doing better, but still getting plagued with thoughts that I'm not doing the best for J, especially when he gets so upset.

Really hoping I get a break before the 4 month sleep regression - does it happen to all babies? Am quite enjoying my decent stretches of sleep at the moment. My only slight concern is that J is feeding less, I'm assuming it's normal so he's sleeping more? He's gone from 8-10 feeds to 5-6, but doesn't seem particularly hungry when he does feed, although I do have to prompt him sometimes.

Seeing if we can get some decent napping in for a more calm afternoon / evening. Am currently trying to coordinate various family and friends so I can see them over Christmas without too much hassle and I need some quiet time to work out the logistics ...

Tindel DS has been feeding fewer times, too. And this week he seems to have FINALLY started having shorter feeds, too. He still does one or two hour long ones, but most of the rest are only 10 minutes or so.

We're off to a wedding with DS this weekend. Booked a hotel and it will be our first night away from home. Very nervous! Not sure what we're going to do for putting Fergus down to sleep! I've booked a cot, but he's never been more than arms reach from me at night... I have a feeling we may end up pushing the bed against a wall, or putting the mattress on the floor and bringing him into bed.

Hello all,

Keep writing posts then the tab crashes. Have just bought some cloth nappies! Not quite willing to share on Facebook as most of my (childless) friends would think I'm crazy to be excited about nappies!

Seem to have hit a growth spurt - 4.30 am feed for an hour and she's been attached most of the day! Before that we had reduced feeding amounts for a week or so and dropped to 1 (humungous) poo per day - she's always been inconsistent. Think the initial drop off coincided with a cold so was terrified. So I guess it's normal Tindel.

Naps are odd at the moment - we get a stretch after the first feed that is easy and long - probably more "night" than nap and easy not to be on a person. The rest are more of a battle to do a sneaky transfer once asleep which mostly fails.

Still self settles for night sleep though for now!

Good luck with the logistical challenge Tindel - our Christmas visits start this weekend and we're so not ready!

Happy Birthday mzzf - enjoy the sleep!