August 2015. It's all about food consumption and late nights at Bar Mugabe Nights

[Dozygirl]

New thread for us fast talkers

Oh Lily I feel your pain!! DHs are such knobheads sometimes. I know it's not a tiredness competition (because we'd win!) but OMFG blokes please screw the nut. I would be feeling exactly like you had that been my DH! It's hard to know how to shake them down about it though isn't i?! I'm terrible for just bloody cracking on myself and thinking 'sod you' but since DH isn't doing loads of dd things I pointedly ask him to do stuff round the house (usually crap he's left about that I'd normally crack and tidy!) Yes he gets a sad on about it but if you're unable to do the baby stuff then you have to do the house stuff. I think blokes totally overlook that we have a full time 'job' too despite being at home and not getting paid for it! Maybe remind him of this?

First wake up of the night here! Fingers crossed I'm back to my warm bed soon - tis bloody freezing north of the wall!

I haven't been to sleep yet. Who wants mojitos?
I've got DD and DS2 up. Yay!

bursts through saloon doors like John Wayne

Howdy pilgrims.

16 fucking week fucking sleep regression. I may be here some time.

walks to bar, spurs jingling. Orders whisky, neat. Downs in one.

Leave the bottle.

Nearly an hour later and I've still not been to sleep and I now have DS1 up as well as DD and DS2. Yay! It's a party at mine tonight.

Snotty darth Vader baby is not happy. I won the war on shit, but the war on snot ain't going so well

I hope Ds is better soon nolonger. Tiredness is the utter pits

Insert your foot firmly into dh's behind lily and tell him you already have one child to deal with.

Oh no! pack and fatty. I hope things get better for you asap.

Packer and fatty, I hope you get some rest soon. I panic when both children are awake in the night!

Frolic, hope you win the war on snot soon. They had an amazing machine which sucked it all out in hospital. Thought it would be useful to have industrial one at home!

I'm almost losing the plot here. My H is away and I'm struggling. I bloody warned him I might have a nervous breakdown. DD was playing up at the weekend, but at nursery now (and may keep her in all week days at this rate). DS is only 13 weeks but the last time I got more than 3 hours sleep in a row was over a week and a half ago. I was getting some 5 hour stretches but no more. Typically now I'm getting 1.5-2 hours at a time at night, with more settling required after feeding.

Is 13 weeks too early for the sleep regression? I don't think I could cope if it got worse. My DD stated at 16 weeks I remember, but she'd been sleeping 10-5/6 since 8 weeks. I don't feel my DS has much to regress to be honest. What with minimal napping, and most on me, I feel it is utterly relentless at the moment and I'm sitting in bed sobbing and hating my H for leaving me. Sorry to be all woe is me, I know things seem worse at night but I've lost power of rational thought at the moment. ALL the alcohol pleSe!

Evening all, round of tuaca shots on me!

DS and I were both woken up by DP snoring at 4am, and I'm seriously considering smothering him with a pillow and claiming it was sleep apnoea. I downloaded a sound meter app - 70 fucking decibels. I'm going to swap out his pillows for orthopaedic ones today, maybe that will help - with the snoring I mean, not the smothering.

lily you have my sympathy with your DH, mine does the whiny voice "oh I'm just so oooh tired" thing, too. Makes me homicidal. Men are TERRIBLE with non verbal communication. I think that they think their whiny voices and stompy feet are oh so subtle and have no idea why we get irritated. God, my blood pressure is rising just thinking about it!

Hope everyone is asleep now. Dd1 has slept through for the first time since we got here and we're away on the afternoon ferry. Flipping typical! Dd2 cosleeps so she's been not too bad but also having a few uncharacteristic wakes. This has been her best night too. Ah well. Back to auld claes and porridge so that will settle them hopefully.

Very rarely snows on the isles but I think there's a bit at home. We'll see what like driving back later on. Hopefully fil will nip in past and light the fire. We don't have central heating and it's likely totally baltic in the house. Forecast says 12 for Wednesday though so I doubt we'll have the sledge out yet!

rra hope you are ok. It's a beast when you have to do it alone. Is he back soon? Can you take the baby into bed with you? Sling him through the day maybe? Good luck!

lily your man is needing to cop on I'd say. One baby at a time, eh?!

Nope, still awake here. 2am feed knocked him out for all of 2 hours. Woke at 4.30, and now again at 5.30. That's literally every hour, all night.

rrra Hats off to you. I've banned my husband from going away anywhere for fear of my sanity and can completely relate to the sitting and sobbing thing. Came close to it earlier tonight.

frolic have you tried the Calpol menthol plug in thingy? DS has had a couple of colds and they've been a godsend!

siani the snoring...just as DS drops off to sleep, the snoring starts, so any chance I may have had of catnapping for 45 mins in between wakeful spells is obliterated. What's the app called? Would be v. interested to see just how loud my husband's snores are!

Blimey I live in total fear of the 4 month regression, and to you guys who are suffering. May it pass very soon.

When is your H back Rra? Is there anyone else around that can lend a hand in the meantime? Obviously we are here for virtual hand lending/holding, hope you get some more sleep soon.

DH moans always welcome here Lily. I also get the whiny tired thing from DP, it's like having a toddler when he's like that. And he hasn't even got the excuse of working nights.

After all the pushchair chat yesterday I thought it was time to brave taking A out in his again and he fell asleep! Just dropped off with no tears whatsoever. This made me extremely happy so I celebrated with chocolate chip cookies. Yum.

Looks like Tuesday is here... Have a good one Mugabeans.

I managed to get to bed at half 4. I'm now shattered.

So grumpy 2 opted for 'night from hell'. DH and I managed 1.5 hrs consecutive sleep before I woke us both up in one of those 'shit! where have I put the baby panics' that I still get whenever we have had a particular up and down night. I think it is snot related also frolic and probably combined with the 3-month growth spurt for added value.

Can't remember who said it but 13-weeks/3-months (which is where we are) is also a growth spurt so sleep issues might be that rather than full on regression.

lily you did very well not to lose your temper! I find it goes in phases, since my Saturday morning meltdown DH is back on it again and the partnership is working like it should but it does generally slip over the course of a few weeks until I lose the plot again - argh!!

Right gotta go and get grumpy 1 sorted for school. Bit nervous about Babushka now nolonger. If it's sad I'll definitely need tissues (and to sit at the back).

packer it's called "sound meter pro", seems fairly good. I haven't calibrated it so I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it's satisfying to watch the graph and see that DP really does get louder and louder and louder until he gags. I'd half thought it was just me getting angrier and angrier.

Thanks for the messages. He's got loads of snot at the back of his throat by the sound of it. nothing worked, not the snot sucker, calpol, Vicks or olbas oil. Poor little chap just moaned and cried himself to sleep. He's not feeding brilliantly either.
I'm supposed to meet friends for lunch in a bit. I'm torn between staying in and going just to get out of the house. There are a few going, so I wouldn't be leaving anyone alone if we have to leave.

Sorry you are struggling rra. Is there any way he can come home early? I find it really hard to ask people for help / admit I'm struggling, even when it's the best thing to do at times.

70 decibels siani? Have you got a spare room?!

Safe journey home jockstar.

I'm going to hunt down one of those plug in things today, thanks packer. I remember being left with a Vicks oil burner that had a candle in it when I was little. Health and safety has clearly moved on from the 80's!!

Well Done on the pushchair progress clstow. Ours is a godsend. I came down and put Ds in it last night.

for you fatty.

Snot related sympathies slow. I do wander if we're at a 3 month / 13 weeks growth spurt as well because he was really sleepy on Saturday, which usually happens before a spurt.

I think I declared a few weeks back that December was going to be better, didn't I? I think I'm wrong so far!

Afternoon all,

How are the headaches after a long night at the bar? DD didn't sleep until 2.30, up at 6.30. Poor thing is sick and coughing and sneezing is waking her up. She's napping now which she did a lot of yesterday.

Would you let your LO sleep as much as they need during the day to help make up for bad nights when sick or woyld you try to keep them on their "regular" routine, as much as they have one? Part of me thinks any sleep is good bc it'll help her get better but another part thinks routine is everything.

So tired. X Post to those w DH who complain of being tired or want to go away. Mine thinks he's flying to France next June for football match the week I go back to work and LO starts crèche. I've told him no but he keeps pressing. When i get more than 3 hours sleep and have freedom, we can talk!!!

grok when mine are ill they sleep. Routine goes out of the window. And that's even for the seven year old. Routine is all well and good, as long as its adaptable for things like illness, child getting older, trips away etc. my way of saying I am a disorganised mess and implement something that vaguely resembles a routine but really isnt

Nope, no spare room frolic. We will eventually have one, but it's full of boxes until we get some flooring in the loft. I'm not a light sleeper by any means, and I don't mind snoring usually, but the sheer volume....

grok I'm with fatty, no routine here during illness. When they abandon their natural pattern its one of the ways I know that they are off colour. I figure if they need to sleep to heal then let them get on with it, keeping them awake doesn't guarantee they'll sleep when you want them to anyway and so you end up with a poorly, overtired child which is far worse. It's an approach that's worked fine so far for my 4 year old.

frolic I suspect so, baby frolic and grumpy 2 seem to be matching stage for stage so far. Have you noticed a difference in him when he is awake? In the rare moments that grumpy 2 is not snoozing during the day I have noticed that she is a lot more alert and appears to have realised that her feet belong to her. She is also trying to sit up more and look around which is cool. All that developing must be knackering for the poor little dwarfs...

nolonger the memory of this years World Club Challenge match is still too painfully etched in my memory. That was a quality evening of rugby, sadly absolutely none of it was played by us! Tell your DH that 80 minutes of co-parenting is a small price to pay to introduce DS to his birthright

Hi packer welcome to the Twilight Zone!

clstow great news about the pushchair

Another very snoozy day here at the dwarf house Poor Grumpy 2 a cold and a growth spurt. What a lot to handle for someone only 62cm's tall...

Don't do routine ever I'm afraid. We go to groups but that's it for routine. Still very much on demand feeding and seeing what happens. Basically don't want to have sleep becoming a fight so if an obviously needed nap is not happening we go for a walk or do something else which usually helps.

At the moment we have megadrools straight through the bib in about 10 minutes. Also chomping fists frantically (or my finger) and more vommy. Thinking teeth moving. Just hope that we don't hit the sleep regression at the same point. At least 16w vaccs are delayed by us being away so won't get a perfect storm like last lot - cold, accidental egg consumption and vacs was too much.

Hope everyone feels better soon!

Evening all. Well DS was so angry this morning in the pram that I had to carry him to sensory and push the pram. He just wants to stand up all the time and nothing else will do! Then went into town and he fell asleep until the loud plate banging staff member in Nero woke him up! Is anyone else's LO becoming so aware that they get fussy and woken up easily? I'm starting to wonder if his sleep cycles are changing or something. So then he did a mega poo and we got home at 3 and he's been asleep ever since. I wonder if I need to move classes etc to the mornings so he can sleep in the afternoons? Does anyone else have a pattern?

Sorry not caught up yet but just a quick message to Siani. Forgot to say thanks for the nipple shields u sent on. Don't know if this is a fluke but I've just tested it out and she's gone straight on with no fuss whereas yesterday and today has been a nightmare quite literally. Just would not feed of me. Please please let it not be a fluke. They're a completely different shape to the mam ones so may just have temporarily tricked her but I'm happy for now. So big thank u Siani xxx

You know it's a great birthday with your DH comes in after work holding a patisserie Valerie bag

No set routine during the day here either. She's naturally paced herself out to 4hr feeds and naps after 2hrs of awake time. Naps are inconsistent though and can be a 20min power nap or a 2hr snooze-a-thon.

Trying to get DD to go down as I've a Chinese takeaway with my name on it downstairs. Please please please let her settle!!!!!

Is it birthday today mzzzf??? If so happy birthday! Bloody love pat val!!

Oh we're all having a fun old time of things aren't we?? After last week, this week seems better although to be frank it's still ruddy tough, I feel like we're back friends again though, I do hate falling out with the baby . She managed another 50min morning nap in her cot this morning so being all smug I tried again for a 4pm one, well that went down like a lead balloon oh how she cried, so I picked her up and boobed her and she was of course asleep in what felt like minutes...

mzzf happy birthday! Mmm patisserie Valerie

Will catch up at mugabes later as having a nightmare with post vaccination crying...

No worries Dozy really glad they're useful!