August 2015. It's all about food consumption and late nights at Bar Mugabe Nights

[Dozygirl]

New thread for us fast talkers

Well ladies I gave in and drove to Edinburgh for donuts - don't last long in my house - had the last one this morning - has to be some perk in getting up so early with DD

lily DD getting a Jumperoo for Xmas too!
I am terrible with decorations - everything has to be matching, colour coordinated and in its place!! Fortunately we have a big summerhouse/den so DH and the DCs inflict their tackiness there - I can't even bear to go in - the technicoloured flashing lights round the windows are more than enough for me[santa].

DH moaning this morning as he is shattered after a busy week - DS has an away football match and had to be there for 9am - DH eventually got up to take him but he has a right face on and hadn't time for breakfast - aaaawwwww shame.....

Mugabe morning you all.

I've got an amber bracelet already on dd ankle in preparation for teething. I figured there was no harm in trying it. Supposed to be a natural analgesic. Its harmless and out of the way on the ankle so if it doesn't work I've not really lost anything. I'd be cautious about using calpol until it comes to the really painful part and u really can't settle them. I think at this stage it's hard to tell what's normal just exploring of hands and what is teething. Dd is constantly drooling and chewing her hands. Her bibs get soaked. She also likes chewing her dummy rather than sucking on it.

Had a little cry yesterda . Haven't cried in ages but I'm getting to the end of my tether with bf. I feel like it's so unfair tat I've put all this effort and determination in to make it work and that I've achieved nothing because she still hates it. Occasionally it's fine but most of the time now it's horrendous. She gets so upset about it that it's breaking my heart. But I really really don't want to stop. Will see how it goes over the weekend and speak to bf ppl on Monday. She normally behaves once I get there though. It's just making feeding in public impossible because of how upset she gets so now need to think about having an emergency bottle with me in case she won't take it.

lily Good to hear that Sophie is still the 'must have' toy for babies, it was back in 2011 as well. kbro we had this little Sophie the Giraffe www.babipur.co.uk/sophie-the-giraffe-teething-ring.html?gclid=CJuFsp2As8kCFRBmGwod9JgHMw which we found easier for grumpy 1 at this age. Big Sophie comes into her own a bit later on when they are big enough not to twat themselves on the face with her

dozy sorry to hear that bf'ing is making you so unhappy. You're incredible for persevering for this long. I'm not going to try and give you any advice because it is such a personal thing but am sending you lots of good wishes and virtual hugs.

I had a bit of a meltdown at DH this morning also. He managed to get the girls up and washed while I had a shower but totally failed to do anything else at all around the house. I felt obligated to point out that on a weekday morning I manage to get them washed, dressed, fed, a load of washing on, a load of dry washing away and the dishwasher either emptied or filled all before the school run. I look forward to him being at home to help all week and sometimes it's a bit crushing when I realise how little he notices needs doing

dozy sorry to hear she doesn't like bf in public. Hopefully the bf consultant can help you on Monday! I find bf much easier at home, I like to be able to sit comfortably and lean back and put my feet up if I'm out and about I try to get to John Lewis for their feeding room or another one in the shopping centre as I find it easier to be away from to hustle and bustle. Is she happy to feed at home? I understand that they can find bf frustrating compared to a bottle as they have to work harder to get milk and it's slower to come out vs and bottle. Maybe you could stop using bottles for a few days and spend lots of time wherever you feel most comfortable feeding her?

slow I know the feeling. I found it took half an hour to get the two dc and dh ready to go out this morning, vs ten minutes in the week when I'm on my own. How can it take longer with two adults vs one?! I've always thought I'd love to leave dh on a 24 hour shift with the dc to experience the full commitment and joys of night feeds, nappies, entertaining two all day etc

I don't think baby giraffe is teething at all yet even though she's four months. Dd 1 didn't get teeth until 8 months. I want to get a jumperoo for Christmas too, Tesco are doing club card boost on toys so it'll cost me only £40 to get the rainforest one I think, I might check out their other toys too as boost makes them all half price.

Happy weekend Mugabeans, not long until Christmas

She's seems to be doing ok so far today. Just having paddy's about the shield but will go without whereas yesterday she didn't even want to just go on. She does it at home too but then I can admit defeat and get her a bottle or let her calm down and keep trying again which I can't do when out and about.

Spoken too soon then. She just had major paddy again trying to get on. Have managed it now though thank goodness. Sometimes just takes a lot of patience to get her on and a lot of calming down then trying again until she gets it.

Been swimming today so though she'd sleep a lot this afternoon but no luck.

Don't even get me started on men lol. I'll never stop.

Ah Dozy hope she's sleeping now! It sounds like dropping the bottle for the moment may be the way forward - if she can get used to bf for all her feeds then she may be less frustrated? The only other thing I've found that may be helpful is I've found that drinking lots seems to give me a really fast let down of milk, it's not always ideal for baby giraffe as she splutters a bit but if your baby likes the fast flow of bottles then maybe she'd like fast let down. Good luck anyways

Evening everyone - have spent 3 hours trying to persuade J to go to sleep. He was getting tired, so gave him a bath and he fell asleep after his feed. He's had 2 catnaps of about 15-20 minutes since then. DH has been out all day and just got back, so have sent him up to have a go.

Mzzf and kbro sorry you had a rough start to the day- these men aren't going to know what's hit them when they have to do a full day baby caring are they! Kbro- my DH has used that very same excuse before its bloody infuriating!! I'm at a hen do next Saturday and DH will be flying solo all day and late into the night no doubt- as much as I'm worried about leaving DS with him for so long I think it will do the word of good for his attitude that I sit at home doing nothing all day!

Love- snap on the ocd deccies and jumperoo I could smash that entire box of donuts right now! Went for a frankie and Bennnys for tea and I wanted to stop to get treats on the way home but as I'd already had a naughty tea resisted- majorly regretting it now!

Dozy- sorry your feeling so down about BF- all I would say is ultimately do whatever makes the two of you the most happy- happy mum happy baby remember!

Oh tinde l fingers crossed your DH has the magic touch!

I've just nearly lost the plot with some woman ringing the doorbell! Asking me what house number we are and where number 18 was- she did the exact same bloody thing last week FFS she's either got no memory whatsoever or has been wandering around out there since last week! Doorbell= dogs bark she's just damn lucky that DS somehow miraculously stayed asleep in my arms!! He's created in his sleep twice since I put him up to bed but stopped and is fast asleep by the time I've ran up stairs and tiptoed in- think he's having fun playing games tonight!

Gosh, this moves so fast I always have to catch up on so much!!

Re nails, we have some small baby clippers. I've had 3years of practice now, and have a knack of sliding it under the nail first. Although I did cut fingertip the other day!! Felt awful, but thankfully no tears. I find it easier when they are harder so not after bath.

Dozy, last time I found BFing so hard. I kept going until 14 weeks but it really was a struggle. My DD had silent reflux and ended up putting her on prescription formula. I spent so many days and nights crying with frustration and the feeling of failure. I promised myself not to put that pressure on myself this time. Thankfully it has been much easier. I just think what advice would you give someone else in your shoes? If you are like me, you may be harder on yourself than you should be! So long as baby is loved, clean and fed that is all that really matters.

My H is on a week long jolly now. Almost had big falling out over this, as I've not exactly been having an easy time with my two. But managed to negotiate a spa day out of it. I also don't think he understands how much I do. And how hard it is emotionally and physically to be sold carer, do 2-4 night feeds and entertain a 3yo all day. I feel like I just lurch from one feed and rocking to sleep to the next. I'm exhausted.

On top of H being away, I took DS to OOH doc tonight. He was acting the same as when he first started to get bronchiolitis symptoms. GP said he was ok but has chest infection, so has given antibiotics and steroids to stop breathing getting any worse. That is, if I can get the bloody medicine into a child with the most sensitive gag reflex ever! It took forever and I was praying he wouldn't be sick. DS having a last minute sleepover at grandparents so in for a long night ahead.

Please send krispie kremes my way, with glass of prosecco.

Mugaaaaaabe! I have a mammoth catch up to do but molly has forced me to pop into the bar for a quick beverage. I only a sprite though but think I'll take a cheeky bag of salted nuts on the side. Hope everyone is sleeping soundly xxx

Rra- glad DS is ok, better to be safe than sorry with the GP. I would make sure your spa day includes much prosecco and as any treatments as you can fit in- it's the least your DH can do after taking a jolly whilst your lo is so small!

Fanby- sleeping soundly- chance would be a fine thing, there's a sodding alarm going off on one of the empty houses here, I'm guessing there's no security on site tonight!! FFS!!! It's gone through 3 different siren noises to now a constant high pitched humming- like a cricket on speed! So irritating! I had just managed to drop off about 12.30 when at 1250 DS started to stir- he does this every night around this time after an initial settled, quiet period from 9- he does a little cry so I pop dummy in and he thrashes a little so grabs my hands as I'm doing it and usually goes back/ appears asleep. He is then usually very unsettled doing the same thing on and off until waking properly around 4am for a feed. I've been thinking if I fed him sooner whether he would settle properly quicker as post feed he is usually quite quiet Nd settled again. So just fed- he's virtually asleep so I'm guessing would count as a dream feed- he's just guzzled the lot. Now I feel guilty that I've been getting him to go back to sleep the last 5 nights when he's obviously been hungry!! now to see if he actually settles properly now........

Lily - did he wake at 4? I'm intrigued! We're finding absolutely NO pattern to Molly's sleep atm and tbh it's doing my head in!

Mugabe! Just popping in for a pint of water as I am sooo dehydrated after going out for steak, red wine and a cocktail for anniversary dinner with DP. My best friend and her OH babysat Alex and he was a little love for them - hurrah! Had such a good night, I've really missed our dates, and we even managed to talk about something other than A at times

Dozy you deserve for your BF woes. Not surprised you had a cry. It's such hard work and I can imagine very frustrating for you. I've now replaced 2 feeds with formula and while I'm sad that BF didn't really work for me, I'm trying to focus on the positives of switching. Whatever you decide will be the best for you and Piper

Rra you definitely deserve Krispy kremes and prosecco letting your DH go jollying... In fact you deserve a jolly of your own asap! Hope your DS feels better soon.

It was Frolic who originally mentioned Pretty Little Liars and now I'm hooked as well MzzF. On the second series already, though I am taking a bit of a break as I'm A Celeb is my new tv obsession, really enjoying it this year.

Decided we're gonna get festive next weekend, put up the tree and dress A up so we can take pics and use for Christmas cards. Anyone see any good festive outfits? I'm heard mothercare does some good ones so might go google those now.

Hope everyone is sleeping soundly and gets a lovely long Sunday lie in... Yeah right

Well that blew up in my face!!!! Currently feeding DS who has been laughing his head off, wriggling and shouting at me for the past half hour!!

Fanby- he stirred at 4.30 but settled again before I had the chance to get out of bed. After a feed at 4 he's been going till 830 for another- generally being awake from 0730 ish so this is defo worse!!! I didn't particularly like his pattern but I wang it back now!! Soooooo tired it's not even funny! Praying he goes back to sleep after this but even if he does DH will get in at 8 and no doubt wake us both!! Oh I'm so peeved off!

Lily our normal get up time is 6am. She's like a bloody clock! Not so bad during the week but it sucks at the weekend more!!!
I had the same thing about nighttime bottles a couple of weeks back. I thought she'd dropped then, then had a few nights of uber whinging so reintroduced the bottle. Turns out it's very common come 4 months!! So she's 'asleep' at 8.30, feed at 1 ish then up at 6am. However, rarely is it as easy as that though!!! 😁
But in hoping your sound asleep not reading this.
Arrrrgh she's being angsty back later folks x

Been up with dd1 watching cartoons for the last hour and a half. Baby and Dh are asleep lucky buggers. Dd1 was up 4 times in the night because there was a lightning storm and it's very windy so Dh is knackered. I'm also knackered mind you! Baby was up too. We count it a win if we get to six before dd1 gets us up.

We're up in Lewis this weekend. Horrendous weather. It's snowing at home though so no better there. So far managing to stay pals with my mum. She just loves the kids so that helps. Some of my cousins are coming today with their babies. There's been a baby explosion in our family. Nine in the last two years!

Hope the medicine stays down, rra. You've had an awful time of it by the sounds.

Good luck with the bf supporters, dozy. The shields do make it harder for the baby to get the milk quickly ime. Hopefully the supporters will give you good advice.

Hope everyone has a good day.

Ahh clstow - happy anniversary! Hope you had a great time - sounds like you did!!

Mzzzf - similarish hours to you, asleep at 8:30, she decided to have a cry at 10 (SHE SELF SOOTHED HURRAH), feed at 1 and at 4, then up at 6, as you say weekends are killers.

Lily - don't drown in the fish bowl, repeat after me IT WILL GET BETTER xx

Joskar - so many babies! How lovely!!! Hope you can find somewhere quiet to have a little catnap :)

We're off to a shadow puppet play of the ugly duckling this afternoon and then might pop into a Christmas market :) Xx

clstow sounds like you had a lovely anniversary night

lily we are too alike - I was at Frankie & Bennys last night too!!! DH or I try to take DD1 and DS out once or twice a month just so they can have time with us without all the little ones. I took the pair of them last night and DH looked after all the little ones including baby for the first time ever!! I fed her before going and Frankie & Bennys close by - she was sleeping when we got back. So nice to sit peacefully and eat a meal whilst it's still hot, listening to all the chat from DD1 and DS. When we all go out for a meal it usually involves feeding baby, cutting up others food, running to toilets etc, my food gets forgotten about, so a lovely treat

Miserable day here today - think it's a onesie day......

Morning all,

Quick question for mzzzf in your professional capacity . Where do you stand on the Bumbo seat? We never had one for grumpy 1 because I was overly concerned about some articles I'd read about them. Someone has offered to buy grumpy 2 one for Christmas and I'm wondering if I was being too cautious before?

Aloha slow!

Well I have inherited one but I doubt I would've parted with money to get one. They are in use for such a short period as they're designed for pre-sitters and early stage sitting babies. Once a baby can sit independently they're pretty pointless and hold the pelvis and spine in a different position to the one they'd sit in.
BUT they can be great for social interactions, developing upper trunk and neck strength and upper limb movement too.

At 4 months mini mzzzf sits beautifully in it but can twist herself round in a bid to escape. I think the new version has a seat belt so may stop this. Agile and strong babies will tip it over in a heartbeat!

If you don't have to spend money then get it and you can make (short) use of it. Ultimately though it depends what you're using it for. But I wouldn't encourage long periods of sitting in it. So getting off the fence, I personally don't think they're good value if bought.

Oh mzzzf can I ask you a question in a professional capacity as well? DS is now the length of the pram and about one hair away from not fitting but the seat bit of the pram is for 6 months plus? Not sure what to do? Is it bad to start using the seat bit early? He is not close to sitting up yet.

So DS had a nightmare last night and refused to sleep till 1am. Screamed the house down every time we tried to lie him down including on me and in our bed. Think he had trapped wind pain as he eventually did a massive fart and settled straight away. Must admit was close to losing my rag a few times. Less gentle attachment parenting. More blinding rage.

Mzzzf and fanby 6am starts sound like a killer. We have the opposite problem. DS will easily sleep past 8am sometimes 9am but will not go to bed or sleep in the evening. Am desperately trying to move bedtime forward but no joy at all. The earliest we can get him to bed is 11pm with some light on off dosing on our laps from maybe 9pm. But no proper sleeping and no chance of going in the cot. Fancy swapping for one night? You can both have a lie in and I'll have a peaceful evening.

DS has also introduced an extra night feed again. He's also being a right pain about lying down feeding. DS mummy is tired. Let me feed in bed. I can't deny it any longer. Am ready to accept. We are in 4 month sleep regression.

Ok I need to start watching pretty little liers.

Clstow much to DH horror we are doing the same for christmas cards. Mothercare have some lovely christmas stuff but also check tesco of you are near a big one. I got DS the cutest reindeer baby grow from there. Check mothercare today if you can as there Christmas stuff is on sale this weekend.

Dosy no advice but sending you lots of love. You should be really proud of yourself for perserving when its been so dam hard for you.

Ahh excellent chat on the bumbo, I too have been interested, I'm watching one on eBay which is local and at the moment only 99p!

Kbro - deal on the swappage, it'd be good to mix things up a bit . On the bassinet/chair issue I obviously am no way a professional but we actually tried the chair out for the first time yesterday as we have the same issue with a tall bubba!! She loved it!!

Morning! I didn't get s chance to post yesterday. Ds was a right grump most of the day. We did manage to go and have dinner at a friends house, which was lovely. But then I coughed all night, which was shit. Ds is in a much better mood today and dh has been lovely and cancelled his surfing plans to stay and deal with Ds so I can catch up on sleep. He even managed a huge poonami without waking me! I've had this cold for 2 weeks now and I'm so fed up of not feeling on top form.

So much to catch up on, sorry if I miss anyone / anything.

Pretty little liars - that was me, sorry! Glad you are enjoying it. It's kind of amazingly shit and brilliant at the same time. I've been looking for a replacement, but not found anything yet.

Thank you for all the teething stuff advice. The powder seemed to have been really great so far. Could be the shock of having something other than a boob in his mouth, but it definitely stops the grizzling.

kbro, I also have a baby who is the opposite of mini mzzf and won't sleep in the evenings, but rocks a good lie in. However, he has been asleep at 8pm every night for the past 4 nights and the 'nap' is getting longer, so I will try him in bed for that tonight I think.

I have put Ds in our 6 months + pram thing a few times. I don't think the angle is any different to a car seat and it goes pretty flat. He's got really good head control and seemed fine. He still loves the pram bit for sleeping, but gets fed up now lying flat when he's awake. He's very nosy.

Thanks for the bumbo advice. We've been thinking of getting one, but Ds is pretty happy in his bouncy chair and put house is tiny, so I may not bother.

Have a good Sunday augmums. We have a place up the road that does lovely take away roast dinners and I'm going to dive into one very soon

I've got a bumbo that i orginally bought second hand for my best friend 5 years ago and lasted her 3 kids and is now back to me. I'd say that was a tenner well spent! Although I've not really used it yet. Piper loves sitting up but wasn't keen on it when I tried her in it.

Well I had a much needed girlie night out last night. It was hilarious. Piper went to the in laws even though dp wasn't going out. At first I was annoyed that he wasn't just going to look after her himself but right now I'm very grateful that I they've got her! This is my first proper hangover post baby. I've been out before but not had much to drink. Im good at expressing when I've been to though, get loads of milk.

Giraffe thanks for advice re:drinking lots. I'm not too good at remembering to drink so perhaps if I up my intake of water it might help the let down like u say. Makes sense because she's better at feeding first thing in the morning when my boobs are obv at their fullest but as day goes on she has to work harder for the milk. I can't stop the last bottle at night time because by that point I just don't have enough milk to settle her for the night no matter how hard I've tried so I'll keep that one up but try not to give anymore. Except for last night and today because she's being babysat while I go to watch the hunger games.

Frolic sorry you're feeling ill still. Coughing sucks. I hate having a cough.

Kbro - bullshit for pram seats being 6+ months. The manufacturers say that to cover their arses. There's no reason not to try the seat as long as you don't have it bolt upright it should be fine!!
I never actually bought a pram attachment for our buggy. We had cocoon type thing on top of the pram seat. Carry cots are not recommended when baby can lift their heads up and/or roll as they're not strapped in so can get themselves into all sorts of mischief.

Go for the seat! Mini mzzzf loves it and so do a few others one he thread if I remember!!!