August 2015. It's all about food consumption and late nights at Bar Mugabe Nights

[Dozygirl]

New thread for us fast talkers

Today I drove 1/2 way to bf group without strapping the car seat in on one side. Then I went to the loo at the end of group and started walking towards the car before realising I'd almost forgotten poor Ds!
Do I win crap mum of the day?

Nope. You win tired mum if the day.

Don't feel shit. Here

I really need DD to sleep through the night now. I've not slept for more than 4hrs in a row for almost half a fucking year!!!!

Argh, had J fall sounded asleep on me downstairs, so thought I'd put him straight to bed. He wakes up and screams. I run him a bath, he screams the second I put him in. It would be the night DH is out, I hate the fact I seem to be incapable of putting J to bed on my own. Should have just left him to sleep on me, it was much calmer. Why is this so hard?!

Tindel- that's exactly what happened to me last night! Tonight he fell asleep on me after his bottle again but I thought I'd wait and sure enough he woke up for another 20 minutes before falling properly asleep, have just took him up fingers crossed he'll stay asleep!! Babies just like to keep us on our toes it's nothing your doing wrong.

Giraffes send some White Russians my way mmmmmmm!

Frolic- not a bad mum as Mzzf said tired mum!

I agree Mzzf I am so desperate for DS to sleep through the night and I'm madly jealous of those who have. There was a mum at baby sensory today who was really anxious bless her I think baby is only 9 weeks but as many questions and reassurance as she was asking and needing I wanted to cry when she said she was sleeping from 10 till 0530!! Didn't mention 4 month sleep regression to her thought it might push her over the edge poor thing.

Went to my nanas again after baby group and it was so lovely. I rang on the way there and her hairdresser answered and when I said I was coming up said 'oh she'll be made up she was so happy to see you both last week it's all she's been telling me about' awwww so lovely! She's 93 and still insisted on holding DS whilst he was crying and I was making his bottle- he was a good lad and stopped crying for her when she sang to him- so cute 4 generations apart!! Bless!

J's just trying to find his own way to sleep. Mini mzzzf did the same sort of stuff. Deep breath. It's not personal, they just don't know how to process tiredness. For DD if she's tired she gets cranky. There will invariably be a cry before sleep. I just try to stimulate her as little as possible when I'm in that situation, don't change her clothes, don't bathe her, don't make eye contact, don't speak etc etc. after about a 20min tizzwas she conks out.

But if you're happy to have him conked out in you then that's ok too, for me I'm keen to get her off me having had her like a limpet all day. That sounds awful but I need some free arm time.

If only I could get her to stay asleep - for a full night!! Now, that would be bliss!

Oops missed a page! Siani glad you found the same with the wonder weeks. And love 'festive perineum' had me laughing out loud!!

Perpetual- I hope you are spared the sleep regression there's enough of us suffering already! Aww 4 days between our LOs then- how scary that you weren't ready. I kind of was except we moved house when he was 5 days old as we would have been moved before his due date so that's was chaos!

Fungets that's also what DS is going to have if he keeps chomping on his hands so much!!

perpetual don't worry about being a fake
My DS was meant to arrive in July but he was a lazy bugger and stayed cooking in there until august 1. So I should have been over on the July thread, but nope. I am here with you lot instead. (And I wouldn't have it any other way!)
I'm a miserable bugger tonight. I have just had some bad news. I would share but it is really awful I don't even know how to deal with it myself I feel sick and angry and just want to cry.

Oh fatty so sorry to hear you've had bad news. I know you said you don't want to share and that is fine but remember we are all here to support each other. Whatever it is I hope you've got someone you can turn to don't be miserable alone, bottling things up only usually results in an explosion at some point. Sending you all the alcohol, chocolate and goodies in the world and hoping the DC let you sleep tonight if you can.

Thank you. I have DP, but I have to try and be strong for my mum. It's horrible.
My brother has done something unbelievably stupid, and my mums told him to sort it out and fix it or get out of her house. I agree with her. It's an awful situation
That's the second son now that is an ididot! (I have an older brother that doesn't speak to us because he was an idiot and went AWOL from the army. We told him to hand himself in. He went off on one and we haven't heard from him in 4 years nearly) but what the younger brother has done is far worse.

frolic you're not alone, dd1 keeps having to remind me to strap her in it's the tiredness and no ones perfect, you're doing great

Tindel you're not failing at the bedtime routine. It's just that baby didn't get the memo and he loves his mum if he didn't then he wouldn't cry for you to hold him. Do whatever works for you, there's no pressure to get him to sleep in the cot if it's easier for you to hold him. I'm on dc2 and she's held until bedtime, I've got no doubt that this will do no harm whatsoever to any future bedtime routine hope you're feeling better or even sleeping by now.

I've been given some cheap drinks vouchers by the bouncers on Mugabe doors, cocktails all round!

Such a busy day here! DH and DS in bed I'm up watching first dates eating sweets!! Anyone got any experience of flat heads? HV weighed DS today and noticed his heads a.bit flat on one side. He always sleeps turned to the left and I've tried moving him but he always wakes up! Just bought him one.of these sit me up seats as he's wriggling out of the bouncer and just wants to sit up on me the whole time! His toothy pegs still seem to be playing him up as well. Hope you're all ok. Fatty that all sounds horrible.

Thanks all! I'm just glad I noticed the seatbelt quickly and didn't actually leave him in the cafe. Dh thinks it's hilarious. I'm totally blaming the fact that my brain appears to have been replaced by several layers of snot at the moment.

tindel, it's so bloody hard at times. some days I just don't care about things like bath and bed time and let Ds lead / sleep on me until I go up. Other days I think that I must try to start work on this bedtime routine thing that I hear everyone talk about. Ds always seems happier on the don't care days.
I'm constantly torn between feeling like I should be doing all of these things and feeling like I should be more baby led. If bed time is stressing you both out, I'm sure it won't do any harm not to bother with it all the time, or even not at all for a bit.

How special that you to have your nana around to enjoy Ds lily.

I hear you on the limpet thing mzzf. Ds has been really clingy with this cold after a few weeks of being quite independent. It can be so suffocating.

Sorry you're having some family shit fatty. I hope you're ok

Thanks giraffes, I'll have a pina collada to brighten up this gray day.

Here's hoping for plenty of sleep tonight.

Bit fully caught up yet, still on page 27....

Welcome to perpetual. I remember you from antenatal thread.

Periods. .. no sign of mine yet. Guessing with breastfeeding they can take their time to come back ? Quite glad I don't have them. Weird to think it's been over a year now since I last had one.

Siani where did u live if u used to ski to cut down a tree? Sounds awesome.

I can't wait to have all the Xmas period off this year. I'm normally working some of Christmas and new year and invariably miss out on most of the fun things happening. So this year I can enjoy it all to my heart content. Apart from the fact I can't have a lie in lol.

Gave piper her bottle earlier tonight because she was having a tantrum at the breast as per usual. Have given her a breast before bed instead. This will probably mean I'll be in for a bad night but she might surprise me. Cold has moved to my chest now so I'll prob be awake coughing anyway. Thankfully piper only seems to have a slight snotty nose and nothing else too sinister.

I'm not really sure why I'm persevering with the breastfeeding so much. She quite clearly hates it and would be a lovely happy contented baby if I gave her all bottles. About half the feeds I give her go well and the rest she goes mental at for no reason. And it's unpredictable so if she does it whike out in public it's really frustrating and I get all flustered. But if given a bottle in public it's a piece of piss. I really don't want to give up though! I'm so torn.

Oh fatty sorry you're going through some hard times with your family. Life is hard enough without the extra aggro.

Frolic oh dear u must be so tired. I've not done the straps up in the car seat a few times now. Does make u feel bad doesn't it but it's easily done.

Mzzf I hope you start getting some sleep one day. I know you're miles from family but would someone be willing to have mini mzzf for one night so u can get a decent nights kip? I don't know how you're doing it. I struggle even though I get a fairly decent stretch most of the time.

Tindel i still don't have a bed or bath time routine either. I don't regularly give baths anyway. Just when I can fit one in. Dd fell sleep on me twice downstairs feeding but as soon as I brought her upstairs she had full on tantrums and kicking in the cot. So I had to feed her some more. She didn't take much before she fell asleep agai . They're just awkward buggers sometimes.

Anyone else sometimes misinterpret what their baby is crying for? I always thought that as a mither u learn to know exactly what your baby wants but I seem to get it wrong all the time. I just presume she cries because she's hungry but sometimes it's tiredness because she'll not feed then fall aslee . Just feel a bit crap sometimes when I get it wrong.

Family problems fixed. Spoke to brother (hes here) and sorted it.
Now I'm off to bed before I'm awake with the lovely children of mine.

Dozy I grew up in Canada, a really isolated town in Northern Ontario. Cold snowy winters and hot sunny summers, how I miss them!
I generally have NO IDEA why DS is crying. I just take a guess based on when he was last changed, fed, etc, and try different things until one works. If none of the things I can think of work I just assume it's some kind of thing inside him, like gas, and I can't fix it so I just try to make him feel loved and maybe distract him. Occasionally I recognise his distinctive "needing to be asleep but not being asleep" cry, because it has all the sounds of a proper cry, only like he's doing a crap job of it. But even that one I get wrong. He did it in B&Q and I was SURE he needed changing then he suddenly conked out and slept for 2h. Quite often I try to feed him and he just thrashes and pukes all over my boob because he was feeling like he might sick up. He loves me anyway though, good little chap.

lilydreams ooh, I'm quite jealous of you having your nana, that sounds so wonderful. I don't even have grandparents. Side effect of all the women in my family having kids late, I guess, the last one would be about 110 if she was alive!

frolic pina coladas! I forgot they existed. Rack me up two so I don't need to get up!

As suspected skipping the formula feed as the last feed has resulted in a 3am feed. Haven't seen this time of the night in a while. Would be alright if she fed in 20 mins and went back down but that's unlikely.

I think I must have been missing out on all the gossip and fun in Mugabe Nights so it's about time I joined u all.

Siani lucky you. I want to return to Canada one day. I have friends in Alberta. I've only been once in summer. I'd loved to see it in winter. I can't imagine what it must be like surrounded by snow for the whole of winter.

Mugabe Mugabe, TFI Friday.

I reckon we'll get a tree next weekend - want to make the most of it as we're away for a week over Christmas, plus I love getting the decs out, Christmas music on, mulled wine, etc...

Welcome Perpetual! I was also expecting a July baby but he was mega late (7th August) so I joined this lovely lot and can thoroughly recommend them all

Glad all is sorted Fatty.

Breast feeding sank to new (painful) lows yesterday when we were out and poor little DS was left with blood on his face after attacking my nip. He's like a little vampire. Gutted that I'm going to find the end of BF as hard as the start, have now officially replaced the last feed before bed with a bottle and will drop another next week.

Went to my parents overnight and my mum put DS to bed while I went to the pub with some friends. Was so happy he went down ok for her and bodes well for this weekend when my best friend is babysitting so DP and I can go out for our anniversary.

The bar man's handing out buenos so I'm gonna grab one of those and head back to bed - sure I'll be back before the night is through though.

fatty so sorry about your news, I hope you got a decent night's sleep. I know you need to be strong for your mum, but make sure you look after yourself as well

DH got back to find J asleep in his Moses basket and me asleep lying alongside with my hand on his chest. When I woke up, he suggested I get into bed properly, as J does seem to settle better once we get to bed. J then slept the night through and woke up for a feed at 6! I officially do not understand babies, particularly mine

Thanks for the nice messages, I think I was intimidated by the routine one of my NCT class was talking about where you work back from when baby falls asleep. J doesn't really have a consistent time he does anything, so it's tricky to work like that. I shouldn't complain, as we are getting there, it just feels so tough. I like getting things right and often, there is no right answer, it seems.

Right, J has conked out, so going to try and grab a bit more sleep as well

Tindel we are in the same boat re bedtime. We had a few nights of success and now its all gone (and by success mean 9:30 not 7pm) . We tried the working backwards thing too but Aidan never does anything consistently either. He also still likes to cluster feed in the evenings so bedtime meant I was sat alone in a dark room feeding for hours. It meant I was not spending time with DH or more importantly watching any decent tv. Like frolic I find days when i don't care about routine / bedtime much easier than days when I try to. But just do what makes you happier and if you think preserving with bedtime will then do. But leaving it for now does not mean your failing. DS is 15 weeks and lots of people think we should have him in bed but I just smile and nod and then turn my attention to the tv schedule

Dozy and clstow bloody breast feeding. It is a slog. I look back and laugh at how naive I was about it all. Clstow when you finish I think you should treat yourself to something nice (maybe massively alcoholic?) for surviving your breast feeding journey! Dosy sorry I can't offer any helpful advice but just do what you need to do re bottles. Do you ever go on the infant feeding thread? There was a question posted the other day about a baby preferring bottles to boob? May be helpful?

Oh Canada sounds lovely!! Maybe when we all move to mzzzf women and baby commune we should make it in Canada.

Welcome perpetual - christmas in Oz? Tell us more??? DS was also the opposite. Supposed to be a July baby but was dragged out against his will on August 12th.

Lots of love fatty. Hope alls ok. As you say, remember your walking up with your lovely kids today xx

By the way tindel my phone keeps trying to autocorrect your name to tinsel which I think is very apt for the season.

tindel I have never managed to get any of my 6 to sleep in a cot!! Honestly, you just do what works best for you. With DC1 I stressed massively about getting her to sleep on her own until eventually I 'gave in' and let her sleep on me - she is now 13 and I can't get her out her bed! With subsequent DC I didn't even bother with a cot. You don't have a manual to follow - if you are happy and baby is happy all is fine. I know some mums are horrified that I co-sleep with baby and toddler - I care not a jot - as long as we are getting a sleep it's no ones business. Be easier on yourself - you've made a little miracle who needs you more than anyone in the world.

DH just phoned from work to say bank phoned him to query unusual transactions on his account - omg - managed to spend a small fortune this morning on Black Friday 'deals' using his card number - oops!!.

Just got an email from Krispy Kreme with a voucher for 12 original glazed donuts free if you buy 12 donuts - seriously considering driving through to Edinburgh to buy - will be nice surprise for DCs coming home from school if I've not eaten them all by then

Hey there, been trying to post for the last day or so but keep getting interrupted so am going to keep it short and sharp in the hope of finishing!

All good here, but grumpy 2 is finding night sleep tough at present so I am in a bit of a sleep deprived fog. Cannot wait until DH starts his new job on the 18th Jan and he is around in the mornings to help out.

Christmas My sisters birthday is the 16th December so like others we have always put up the tree late so it doesn't take over her day. I also like the Christmas perineum so I keep mine up until 12th night to get my full Christmas fix

Periods I ebf'd grumpy 1 until she self weaned and my period came back at exactly 12 weeks after her birth too. It's totally luck of the draw I think, certainly my body didn't get the message about bf'ing delaying the return of AF .

siani Christmas in Canada sounds lovely and very like Christmas in Finland. I can't wait to take the girls there for Christmas when they are a little older, its magical.

fatty glad to hear that your family issues are sorted but sorry that you had to get stressed and worried in the meantime.

tindel, kbro babies just don't read the manual do they! I like to think its a sign of a creative mind your children are clearly destined to forge their own unique and wonderful path in life!

dozy I wish babies came with one of those CDs like you get for identifying different types of birdsong, it would save a lot of misadventure (read: shoving a boob at a not hungry baby, which is usually my mistake)

love buy the donuts. eat the donuts. charge them to DHs credit card

frolic glad the jabs went well, don't stress about the car seat we've all done it and hope you are feeling less snotty.

Sorry if I've missed anyone, the problem with not posting regularly is that there is so much to catch up on!

Mugabe!
I am such a scatterbrain at the moment. After yesterday's shenanigans, I realised this morning that I have triple booked myself this afternoon! can I officially call baby brain now? I'm sticking to the thing I arranged first, which also happens to be the thing with the best cake
Ds is 3 months old today. It's going way too fast.

An absolute yes to not knowing what Ds is crying for dozy. He has a very distinct 'I need to sleep' noise, buy everything other than that is a shot in the dark. I was hoping I'd be better at it by now.

Canada sounds amazing siani. I'd love to live somewhere with proper seasons like that.

Ouch clstow. Sorry your nips are suffering. Well done Ds on letting you have a worry free night out.

Glad you had a better night tindel.

Definitely get the donuts loves. Did you bag anything good in the sales? [shopaholic emoticon]

I'm much better thanks slow. Still a bit snotty and coughing - it really was a beast of a cold. I don't think I've ever had one last this long before.
I hope sleep returns for you asap.

Happy Friday everyone!