July 2006.....and they all roll over......

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Ladies, thought I would do the new thread as the other one is taking forever to load up.

Leo rolled over! He was lying with no nappy on and everytime I put him on his front he rolled onto his back, but when I put a nappy on he didn't roll.

Welcome to babalon and caygill - my ds was born on 25th July, so very close in age. He is very good at night, but has no pattern at all during the day (so the opposite of yours!)

KZ- Roshi sitting up? Well done her!

junior hasnt rolled over yet!!! he can just about sit up and then falls flat onto his face which is quite funny!!

sleep- you should tell your dh to come round to mind, it will proably shut him up, i really can't be bothered tonight, getting tired of doing the same things everyday and just want to relax in the evning!!

talking about nails, i havent spent time on them since junior has been born, i used to enjoy spending one night every week doing my nails!!

Men just have no idea sometimes! There's still an atmosphere at chez Twinkle this evening, even though DH swears there's nothing wrong. Grrrr!

Hi guys,
You lot are ace! Have to be careful what I put at first as I didn't realise people can search all your threads and stalk you.

I posted on some of the chat threads and there was one where a mnetters dh had hit their 13 yr old son v hard, to cut a long story short I disagreed with peoples views and was quite hormonal at the time so it became a very heated disscusion which I don't mind so much. But some people (who obviously have nothing better to do) stalked me on to other threads that I was posting on by searching my name. They were well nasty!! But I was pre AF and took it all very personally so decided to cop out.
Anyway got passed AF felt really cross so e-mailed mumsnet and told them about events. They investigated and decided the whole original thread was out of order and deleted it aswell, as all of the abusive threads that had appeared. I have noticed that those people who were horrid haven't posted since so they've either been banned or more likely they've changed names. In future if people disagree I think I'll change names before arguing!!
Logan has his 2nd lot of jabs on Monday, he's so behind! He should be fine calpol before we go I think. Oh I've got a good story for you all about crap doctors but I'll leave it till tommorow as I've already talked enough.
For you all having problems with older siblings, just stick with it dd was awful when ds1 was born totally knocked off her pedistool(sp) but I can remember it improving once ds1 became more independant ie rolling, and shuffling I think they see them more as an equal then, oh and it's easier on your back to (mines killing)

I'll go now have a good weekend I'll be back with more storys of woe soon

Oh and sex, my dh won't do it with me he says he can't risk another (vasectomy appointment 14th december) I'll have healed up totally by then, please tell me I'm not the only one who's heading for born again virginity

Hi all,

Babalon-Just to let you know that I am a Born Again Virgin myself, so welcome to my world. I am not very happy about it either, but that's a whole other issue.

Also I handed in my letter today to the practise manager and she told me that they will look into it. Yeah, right!

My DH has actually loaded the dishwasher 2 days on the run this week. He must be about to ask me for a favour or something!

Am off downstairs find out WTF DS is doing in his bedroom. He is still not asleep despite going to bed at 9pm. I tell ya what, he is driving me mad this week and he is normally such a good boy. He is messing about in school, (I got a letter home from his teacher yesterday), won't do his homework, not doing anything he is told at home and I really don't want to spend my life shouting at him. Anyone with ideas, or kids around his age-any advice on how to deal with 10 yr old boys would be great.

Speak soon.

Love

Jeanie
xx

Hi all

Babalon hi,my dp is going into hosp to have the snip on the 14th of December.Is your dh having the op on the 14th?Awful to hear what happened but nice to see you back

Jeanie,boys eh? Ds1 is 15 and still a pita(but much improved from when he was 10-13/14).Ds2 will bw 11 in December so have it all with him now.The older ones are more work than the dd's i swear.

Twinkle,you are right to expect a bit of help,i have in the distant past "gone on strike" with my dp.That means i don't cook for him,do his ashing and def no SEX,he soon learned to toe the line.

Eilidh wants to speak to me now so gotta go.

have a good day,oh and welcome to caygill

Babalon - glad MN investigated it and deleted everything - I find some posters very opinionated but I hadn't realised they could search for you and were so bitchy. I also find it can be very cliquey (sp) aswell with lots of inside jokes on some threads.

Jeanie - no advice on your DS as no experience but maybe just a phase? Asserting his independence?

Pretty - I know what you mean about the nails - Sunday always used to be 'nail' night for me and they were my pride and joy - I am sure I own more nail varnishes than they sell in Boots!! Not done my fingernails once since Josh was born and only managed my toenails twice in that time . But, what I have noticed is that my fingernails are a lot stronger now and don't break like they used to - maybe constnat nail polish weakens them?

Have to go, going to the hairdressers in a mo for a colour and cut - thinking of having something radical done (cutwise, not colour!) but still haven't decided yet - probably chicken out when I get there and just have a trim.

Speak soon

Hi Babalon. If I was to get pg again at the moment it would be the immaculate conception (IFSWIM ). This is down to me though, I'm sorry to say. I had such a horrible labour that I'm completely terrified of getting pg again. Also the thought of IT just brings everything flooding back. I'm actually quite worried about this as it is beginning to seriously affect our relationship in other ways - hence yesterday's post. I'd actually appreciate any advice on this, although it is a tad embarassing.

twinkle: Its not embarrasing! Esp after childbirth, have you spoke to Dh about whats going on with you? You might find he's quite understanding! I had a really Shi*y labour and it really hit me when Evie was about 12 weeks old, I spoke to a friend and HV (and of course MN) about it and it really helped just to get it off my chest!

Babalon: Re: Non-existant sex life! Our's is really strange: banned during pg due to low lying placenta so were like rabbits not long after DD was born no redundant again! Partly due to night shifts and me not back on the pill yet (sorry if Tmi or !)

Anyhow not much happening in this camp, DP in bed so sat around trying to be quiet! And weathers poo so don't even feel like doing anything! BOO! Speak soon all

Morning all

A very miserable day here and I'm on my own again as dp is working.

What sex life?! We have only managed it a couple of times since ds arrived. Our whole relationship has changed quite a bit actually, I think dp is feeling left out and neglected but I just don't seem to have the energy for him as well. I hope it all sorts itself out and we adjust eventually.

Can I ask your opinions please? My HV thinks I should begin to wean ds as he goes 2-3 hours between feeds, 2 1/2 -3 hours during the day and 2 hours at night. I want to do what is best for Zack but I can't seem to make a decision on this. There is conflicting advice every where I look.
I feel as his mum I should know what he needs but I haven't a clue, I can't seem to think straight on this one! He is 19 weeks old btw.

Better do some housework, Zack sleeping for now

x

Morning all

Have come to the conclusion that all men are $%+&"£!$%($"£&($"@^@#%$""!%&&*(£"+'s more later when I have time.

Sex life-huh! Tis the absolute last thing I can be bovvered with. DH harps on about it every day and it is getting on my nerves so you are not on your own twinkle.

Got to go so will read and answer posts later.

Have a good soggy day!

xxx

UsandourlittleXMasCracker,
Am interested as to why HV said that? It is just that my DS has very similar patterns to yours.
I havent seen my "D"H in days now, he is off avoiding us and throwing himself into work as he does everytime there is a problem. I am literally left holding the baby and I am knackered

I must have been ann awful person in a former life to deserve this type of treatment!

S has been REFUSING to sleep today - his screams got so bad I thought he must be in pain, so gave him Calpol and he calmed down a bit. Put him in his cot and he lay chatting and playing for AGES. I finally had to take him, hold him and rock him to get him to sleep... it is the only way

Apparently when I was a baby I used tojust lie in my cot and sing to myself - so can it be that some babies just don't need much sleep? Or is it just a bad pattern I have allowed to develop?

Frosty, take some consolation in that there is no way your DH is as shit as mine?

Sorry, just feeling a bit sorry for myself! Hope things work out with you 2.

Hi Sleep It's pants isn't it?

My HV said I could expect Zack to sleep more than 2 hours between feeds at night and that's why she has suggested weaning. He occasionally goes 3 hours but the norm is 2 hours, nearly to the minute! My only worry is he has nearly always been like this so I'm not sure if this is just him rather than the need for food?

Zack has been difficult to get to sleep during the day too recently, I did think we had this sorted but Z has changed the rules again! Not sure if this is hunger, me getting signals wrong or maybe teething?? Who knows?!
I have a few weeks where I feel on top of everything then I can feel it slowly slipping away again. I guess this is where he is changing so quickly, I can't keep up!

Men have it easy don't they? They can just take time out whenever they want. I haven't been able to have any proper time away from Z to relax, could really do with a night out. Mind you it has been so long I don't think I will have any friends left by the time Z sleeps at night or will take a bottle so I can go out.

Whinge, whinge, whinge

US, you are in London aren't you? If I rememebr correctly you are in or near Hackney?
If so, maybe we should try and get together one day with our LO's,or one night with out them for much wine / whine

Oops, sorry, that was me,
posted under wrong name - shows how well my brain is functioning of late!

This thread should have been called "July 2006 - the one where we all fall out with our dhs!!

Mine is actually being ok at the mo. Knowing him it won't last long

I would love to Sleep but sadly I'm in Hampshire That would have been great too, thank you for offering Just you asking has cheered me up x

Hi all
Gosh ? lots going on!

Re men ? I think the best defence against allegations of sitting around all day is definitely getting them to do a few longish shifts on their own, they will soon realise how looking after one small baby that you can?t even hold a proper conversation with can take up so much time! I still can?t quite believe it myself, still constantly get that ?what on earth have I done all day? feeling, so in a way can understand why it?s a mystery to those not doing it full time themselves.

Sleep {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}} The above does not mean that that?s an excuse for them to be shitty about it though!! I know it?s really hard trying to work (or even not work) at home with a baby, although you try and get stuff done while they are asleep / watching telly or whatever, the constant interruptions make it really hard to get on with anything (and then you feel guilty and feel like you?re ignoring them . And housework HAS to come last on the list after the baby and work .

Emma too is being a real Miss Grumpydrawers at the moment, I?m finding it really hard to get her to have proper naps during the day. When she?s awake she?s tired and in a really bad mood ? she actually sits and frowns to herself (in between the crying and whinging), and if you smile at her she just gives you this withering look and turns her head away! She?s also getting really difficult in the evenings again, so I think it may be time to get her to go to sleep upstairs where it?s quieter rather than having her downstairs till we go to bed. Whether she will or not is another thing!

Welcome Babalon! Good to hear from you and can?t believe that about the stalking how dreadful!

Welcome to Caygill too

Wallace ? congrats on Leo?s roll!

Usandcracker ? {{{{{{hugs}}}}}} to you too. And that does seem odd what your HV said - ours definitely said was that it was only if the feeding and sleeping pattern CHANGED that it was an indication for weaning - eg if they had been previously sleeping for 6-7 hours regularly and reliably, but were now waking up hungry after 2-3 hours. I would have thought that if he has always woken every 2-3 hours during the night that?s not necessarily because he was/is hungry, it?s just his ?cycle? maybe. Agree that it is v confusing as everybody does seem to do things differently. Does Zack have any of the other signs that he might be ready for weaning?

I think they did mention that ?window? where it is good to get them used to different tastes so that they don?t get fussy, but I?m pretty sure that this window was after 26 weeks.

And it's a shame we're not all nearer each other isn't it, it would be lovely to get together and moan in RL too

I am so glad it is not just me who is having problems with DH/sex - same as most of you, I just can't be bothered at the moment as I am fully focused on Josh and don't have the energy to think about anything else - unfortunately DH has other ideas and pesters me until I give in for a quiet life (TMI ). TBH, I quite like it when he works away as I don't have the hassle of fending him off - he can't understand (and neither can I) why I am not bothered.

It is not a physical thing as I had a c-section - just in my head- and he always wants it at inconvenient times - though is there a convenient time with a 19 week old baby??

Twinkle - what happened in your labour? Or do you not want to go into it?

Sorry - meant to put that Josh is being Mr grumpypants at the moment aswell - I wonder if it is a phase. He used to be such a happy baby and it all just seems to have gone t*s up.
I have noticed with his daytime naps that he gets worse as the day goes on - settles really easily in the morning without any fuss, lunchtime - usually settles but can be difficult and by the end of the afternoon, full-blown screaming!

Hi Girls,
Hugs to you all having a bit of a tough time. Kayley is being a bit grumpy too these days (and nights...) I think she needs to poo, she goes for several days without pooing. Am thinking of weaning her soon, as she's already on hungry baby milk, and still doesn't seem satisfied. Stewed apple anyone?
As for DH, well, he's a bit of both really, he really does help a lot, and even gets up in the night to feed Kayley. He can't sleep when I'm up, so half the time I just lay there a few more minutes, and up he gets!! Mommy was snoring... Hee hee!! But then he moans all day about how tired he is. Just managed the fiddley-doo-dah twice since she was born, one night after another, neither of us are really that bothered. And my arthritis doesn't help either even when we are in the mood!! Still doing better than after DS though, that took six months!! Whoops... Just old age I think (him, not me!!)

KZ that's great that Roshi is sitting up already! K likes to sit up but still has to be propped as she just wobbles over. Gives them a whole new vantage point I guess.

They're growing up so fast...

Must go, I hear pumping in someone's pants (bet it's DH's...)

Annie

We struggle with daytime naps here - and it gets worse throughout the day. DS just seems to get wired and then can't sleep and whinges. It's better when we're out and about as he drifts off in the buggy usually when he needs to (and maybe I get less wound up about how much sleep he's getting). One day he only had 2 naps of 30 mins and was really hard to settle come bedtime, so think it's true what they say about sleep breeding sleep.

Sounds just like our days maewest!

The photos of Leo are online here

Scroll the bit on the right, and under portraits there is one titled C..... U... F... (don't want to type it out here!) Scroll down to the bottom of page 2. I love the one of him lifting his head

The babes must all be trying to change routines into more grown up ones, Logan's grumpy naps for about 1 hour all day then gets so over tired that he screams before I finally manage to get him down for the night. He's teething too, droul city On a positive note went to baby massage for the first time on thursday I thought it was all a bit hippy and only went to keep my sister company. But Logan slept through for the first time in a month that night so I did it again yesterday and he slept through again!!! Think I'm onto something lets see if I get a hat trick tonight.

My sex life has always disappeared for a while after babies, but the difference this time is that me and dh are actually talking about the lack of it and making a bit of a joke out of it. So there aren't really any resentments. When I had ds1 who's now 7 I also had pnd and no libido at all. I didn't realise it was such a problem until during an argument when ds1 was about one dh pulled his diary out and anounced that we'd only done it 3 times in a year He'd kept a record!!! WTF. Anyway this made everything really awkward for quite a long time. So my advice is just talk to each other so it doesn't become an issue. I was 21yrs at the time and just thought I was going to be asexual for the rest of my life but here I am 7years later and Logan is proof that I've done it at least once since then

agalgh- no just consultants appointment, hopefully op will be when I go back to work, I've said before I think that I'm a theatre nurse and soooo want to be there! (she says whilst laughing in evil tones)

Xmasstocking- Logan will be able to have his boots and bars off for 8 hours a day from January the 9th all being well I can't wait! I'm also planning extreme hairdresser visit I need it cut off I think can't stand it falling out anymore. Let us know what you have done.

Us and- you sound sad big hugs to you. Ref weaning I think you should try it. If lo one doesn't take to it leave it for a day or two then try again you've got nothing to lose. Just start with baby rice made with his usual milk about an hour after his breakfast feed, then he won't be frantic. I've brought Annabel Karmel's new complete baby and toddler meal planner, it's fab and talks you through everything it's 12.99 from mothercare etc. Oh and I've got her hand blender from boots (it was £12 instead of £16 a week or two ago) it's well worth it. I think you've done really well getting to 19 weeks on just milk I've never made it past 14 weeks with all 3 of mine.

Jeanie - my older two are pushing the boundaries too I think it's just because I'm busy with the baby they're seeing if I'll still notice and react, they are learning that I do!!!

Frosty- hope your feeling better sorry your having shitty time with your other half they can be so dense sometimes. I find that red wine helps it's my new best friend!

and finally

Hello caygill lovely to meet you tell us your birth story I haven't heard one for ages ( no I'm not broody already lie,lie) Do you have any other children? Tell us more!

Night night all, sorry for long one making up for lost time.