December 2012 tantrums galore and they're not even two yet!

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Hope everyone finds this and I haven't doubled up!

I've got really bad back pain and ds is spinning on his zebra crying. No idea why!

Oh dear WL poor you. It's amazing how different babies react to abit of boob. Feeding DD is totally different to DS. She seems much more snacky. Anyway, I hope T sleeps well for you and starts to behave a bit better.

coffee I don't judge... DS is awful when I try and get him in the buggy if he has been happily walking along. It's horrible feeling all those eyes on you. I know what you mean.

There was something else but it's gone now..... I swear DD is growing before my eyes today. She has changed so much already!

How are all the nuts getting along with the newest little nutling? Spend as much time as possible staring at her and drinking in all that lovely tiny babyness.

WL DS is in love but also testing us out a little. I really miss being able to spend time with my little man.
DH is besotted. It is quite lovely. I'm mostly tired and honestly a bit fed up of the inside of our house. After suffering through the last couple of weeks of pregnancy and being miserable a newborn is now a very different challenge. I wish there was a pause button. I'd love a swim actually but there isn't anywhere nice to go.

WL how did T go down last night?

Nutella, i know this is very niaeve of me as i have no clue what its like looking after 2. But try and get some time to yourself if you can, even if its only 10 minutes in the shower.

Some woman knocked on my front door this morning and took my picture. I have absolutely no idea why.

Nutella remember from the first time that it will settle down in the blink of an eye x

I'm getting married in 10 weeks

hales I feel guilty leaving DH alone with the two of them for too long. I know if I asked for more me time he would probably say yes. He is a total sweetheart.

pidj I know. I'm trying to enjoy how little she is and I'm also looking forward to next summer when she will be a walking/running monster like her big brother - who will be even bigger!
I can't wait to see her smile

! Hope you're enjoying being mum to two now.

F is finally asleep, looking forward to a peaceful evening

DP loves spending time with R, it's not to give me a break it's to strengthen their bond! I sometimes get so wrapped up in being Mum that I forget that he needs to be Dad too, equal responsibility and all that jazz

That's a good point pidj. DH does do a great job with DS. They often go out for a walk in the morning and I get an hour with DD or if she is asleep I get to showeror clean the bathroom because I'm bonkers

I'm sort of enjoying it. I'm treasuring the cuddles with DD and I sort of enjoy having her sleep on my chest. But I'm finding her feeding "style" a bit challenging, keep telling myself it will all change soon enough.

nutella how about breakie in the garden? That always feels like a lovely decadent treat to me even if it's only 30 mins with a cup of tea and a slice of toast, but peaceful and fresh.
hales she was dreadful but I did cc and tonight she went without a peep. Just testing the boundaries again I guess.
pidj squeeeal!

nutella how about breakie in the garden? That always feels like a lovely decadent treat to me even if it's only 30 mins with a cup of tea and a slice of toast, but peaceful and fresh.
hales she was dreadful but I did cc and tonight she went without a peep. Just testing the boundaries again I guess.
pidj squeeeal!

pidj my fave bit of our wedding was when db (doing the mc bit) said 'please be upstanding for the new mr and mrs WL' as we walked into the wedding breakfast and there was much applause and stamping and whooping etc. 'twas awesome. Can't wait to hear about your big day and see pics.

I am excited for your wedding as well Pidj.

Nutella, H was one of those babies that seemed to BF constantly. The weird thing is that sometimes i miss doing it now.

Coffee, i have also been completely side tracked by the christmas thread. Normally i do all my shopping in December but this year i need to be organised. Moving in with DP means i need to buy everything including decorations.

Apparently i have a very loving DD at the moment and its lovely. I am loving all the cuddles and kisses i seem to be getting for no reason

WL, i'm glad she fell asleep easier last night.

WL I like the idea but it's a bit chilly in the morning but I think a combo of time off and fresh air would do me the world of good.

hales I love cuddles and kisses from DS too. They are the best.

I am struggling with DD and feeding her. I know it is really early days. I know I need to relax. But I feel so sorry for DS because I can't play with him. I can't entertain him and when he misbehaves I am really short tempered with him. The really stupid thing is DH is home for a month (wonderful German system) and I know I'm really lucky that we get so much time together.

Nutella, i wouldn't dream of telling you to relax as that would only make you more upset. In which way are you struggling? Is it physical or emotionally?

If its Physical is there a breast feeding advisor you could see? All i learnt whilst breastfeeding is that apparently every baby is different in terms of how much they need and how they are comfortable doing it.

If its emotionally is there a way we could help you? I know you said your snapping at DS more, i think thats perfectly understandable don't feel too bad he won't remember i know that won't actually help how you feel right now. The only practical advise i could give you is to use DH whilst he has a month off. Or do you feel ready to express some BM if you could do that maybe DH could feed DD whilst you have some quality time with DS.

I am sorry if i have said anything i shouldn't.

Don't forget www.kellymom.com Nutella

Emotionally struggling. I think feeding is going fine now that I am ignoring the midwife's advice it's the length of time and frequency of feeding that I had forgotten all about.

Poor DD has a super sticky eye today though. I've tried squeezing some BM onto her eye but I'm not getting much more than a drop out.

And thank you both.

You're doing fantastically, Nutella - ds won't remember the shouty occasions, just that you love him and are doing your absolute best

I second Pidj, your doing brilliant. The time and length of feeds will go down eventually the newborn stage is just one growth spurt after another. Can you treat yourself to a nice takeaway as a well done for doing so well

Get out there for breakfast. It makes such a difference to me, starting each day like that. Even if I had to wear a fleece over my pyjamas one morning this week!

I hope the feeding gets easier soon. And don't worry about DS. It's such a short period of their lives, and so early on.

If DH is around can you make an hour to do something with DS while DH watches DD?

Yep I've had breakie out there in the snow all wrapped up! I'm well overdue - perhaps Sunday might be the day.
I'm sure you are doing marvellously and a few grumpy weeks with ds is nothing in 20 months of loving. It is super early days but as she grows, if she's still very snacky, you could consider trying to hold off feeds for a few extra minutes each time to make her hungrier and then take more, or for now bear in mind that the odd bottle is not a crime. The jump from 1 to 2 dc is big (bigger than 2 to 3) so try to be kind and patient with yourself.
We're off to a wedding tom that I never thought would happen - teenage parents, emergency council housing etc but fair play to them. The big dds are so excited, it's so cute. After T went to bed I did their nails on my bed - mega treat as they're not normally allowed anything I deem too grown up.
hales that's lovely, make the most of it!

Omg the mumsnet mobile we page is awful now. Going to take a lot of getting used to.

Nutella this is probably just me, I don't think you'll be feeling the same. However I wanted to say it incase you feel the same and alone.

I found when dd was born that I sort of rejected DS. He kept throwing temper tantrums, being demanding etc. I just kept losing my temper with him and feeling like he was "naughty". I've always felt that he's a really good boy, even when he's being difficult. With the tired and the hormones and breast feeding and the stress that causes (you're the only solution to that problem, no matter how much you want to do something else), I found I just didn't enjoy DS. He then seemed to reject me to, only daddy could put him down for naps, and bed, daddy was wanted for cuddles and playing. In a way I encouraged it, but I also felt rejected. He's my boy, I've always done everything for him, but suddenly all he wants is daddy.
It came to a head when dd was a few weeks old. DS fell over and hurt himself, and came to me for a cuddle. He spent ages pretending to cry just cuddling into me, and me into him. I'm crying now just thinking about it! I think he missed me, but couldn't express it, and I think it's what caused a lot of the bad behaviour.
I felt AWFUL. I was rejecting DS when just weeks before he's been the centre of my life. My joy each day, and the one real thing I've felt proud of in my life.

It got better, the hormones dissipated, the sleep improved, we got into a routine that works for us (DH gets up with DS, I sleep in for a while, then DS comes upstairs to bed with dd and I and watches Peppa while I feed dd and get dressed), dd fed less and everything just got better. DS learned he could say "daddy Ella" and get time with mummy (and used it a lot!). By the end of the month DH had off, things were back to normal and I coped home alone with the two of them.

I'm lucky that dd loves the sling and will sleep in it all morning and all afternoon. It means DS gets me all to himself (though with limited movement) and when I need to be with both he enjoys the iPad or playing with Ella. It's hard as I have to watch DS closely with dd. He's tried feeding her croissant, biscuits and quavers so far, as well as loving to kiss and cuddle her (I'm scared of squashing and head butting). He adores her though, and has shown no jealousy.

Hello everyone else. I'm going to post this, afraid it'll get lost to the ether otherwise.

That's an awesome post Stacks and I hope I can remember what you've said next time round