November 2012 - This is the new fred, just like the old fred.

[StuntNun]

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VQ I've always wanted to foster, but i don't see us ever living in a big enough house (2 bed flat is fine for us but foster kids would need their own rooms) or having the spare energy etc. It's a fantastic thing to do though

I have the runs, came on on the way home this morning. Feel appalling. And embarrassed. Mum has R for the afternoon and I'm about to text work. Hoping it's something I ate, as we've been to breastfeeding this morning with lots of teenies and it came on as we left - if I'd had any hint I might be even potentially infectious I'd have steered well clear

eliza does it make a diff to anything not having quite a 100% attendance record?

On a less serious note why the fuck have I just eaten four cadburies tea cakes?

We use the osteocare bone health liquid which contains calcium, magnesium, zinc and vit D. Two teaspoons a day is his entire RDA of each. Its orange flavoured and he likes it now after a week of refusing until I took enough of it. They are often on the Boots 3 for 2 supplements deal. Couldn't get drops from our dietician as there's a supply problem with abided and its being strictly rationed to those with the most need.

Zamboni don't beat yourself up - pay it forward - if you meet any Mums with babies with similar symptoms tell them your story you could give another Mum the gift of sleep.

Spoke to the dietician and only the strawberry Nesquik is dairy free despite evil fecktard corporate twunts Nestle not labelling dairy on any pack. Tossers! Anyone know of a more ethical equivalent?

VQ good for you. I couldn't do it. I'd love to but it would make me such a even more of a raging judgy misanthrope furious at shit parents.

Abidec not abided!!!

Get well soon Pidj

wanda nope, makes no difference and i'm taking her out of nursery for 2 weeks this term anyway. I'm just a bit that they count an hour out of nursery as not 100% attendance. But I suppose that's technically correct.

www.crusha.co.uk/milkshakes/cherry-vanilla I dunno what the E numbers etc are but can't imagine there'd be dairy necessary in this?

Sorry, I meant to say the other day that Choc Nesquick has dairy in it YW

Thank you for the info on the supplements.

I have only put an enquiry in so far. We may not pass the screening, but it is something we have wanted to do for a long long time. Thankfully our house has 5 bedrooms so we can squeeze another in. They are teeny tiny bedrooms though as it is a fairly new house.

I dread to think what J's attendance is. There was one month when he was in for just two days. It really hurt paying that bill, I can tell you.

VQ ahhh it counts as a challenge eh? I have known for ten days something has been wrong. Thought it was too much soy from the dairy free Easter eggs but its been milk all along. He had choc Nesquik on Monday so I bet it was that not the soy in the pom bears giving him reflux. Pidj ta but Nesquik isn't nutritionally all that but it has added vitamins and calcium whereas krusha seems to just be sugar middle class hypocrisy!!! I know I know!! Nesquik or Krusha do seem to be the only options. Bah

groceries.asda.com/asda-webstore/landing/home.shtml?cmpid=ahc--ghs-sna3--asdacom-dsk-_-hp#/product/910000228659 To the untrained eye this looks dairy free? And isn't Nestle? And has added vitamins? Sorry, assumed you were just looking at ways to make other milks more drinkable

Pidj you're a legend! Thanks . Hope you're feeling better x

I have given up on the screaming demon child and left him in his cot to cry it out. What's the difference between trying to hold him while he screams arching his back or letting him scream in the cot?

Stunt, how is the new formula going? Have you given him the Omeprazole yet? If not I would give him some now.

And have you definitely stopped with the boob juice? Big hugs, it is so horrid when they are so sad

He hasn't had a bf in well over a week VQ I can't remember when we stopped, it just petered out. I haven't tried the omperazole yet, I thought it was separation anxiety rather than pain. He hates his cot, the only time he's in it is when he's asleep; as soon as he wakes up he starts screaming. It's shit as I had done sleep training with him before but it all went to pot with his food ishoos. I suspect DH fucks it up as well between standing over the cot shouting at J and letting him get up at 5 a.m. and giving him a bottle.

He only cried for a few minutes in the end and by the time I went back in he was exhausted enough to fall asleep in my arms. It's just so difficult at the moment with the clinginess and spending hours trying to get him to sleep. Assuming I can get J to stay in his cot I still have to get DS1 and DS2 to have baths, DS1 hang done his trumpet practice yet, the garden is littered with toys etc etc. I honestly don't know why I should keep going.

stunt I think that hugs are better because they take comfort from your presence even if it doesn't solve the problem. That said, you also need to consider your own self so taking regular breaks to breathe/scream/eat etc won't do any harm. Actually, maybe hugs aren't a good idea, it sounds like you need a bit of personal space atm so and instead x

I still feel like shit. No more embarrassment but gut ache and the occasional quick march up the stairs. R going to my mum for the day tomorrow though, and car finally going to be looked at! I'm eating as much pizza as I can face then will take a hot water bottle to bed and carry on with GoT book 1 :o

Please try him on the Omeprazole tomorrow Stunt. Give him a couple of weeks on 20mg and reassess. If it is bedtime he is more unsettled then give it then. I give J his 20 with his evening meal as it can give him wind. It cannot hurt to try it. I agree the whole 18 month regression thing may be affecting him. And I empathise with having to care for three with a hubby that is not 100% helpful, although I am grateful I do not have to put up with DH being mean to him. That must be very hard. Big hugs, you are doing a great job, and this too will pass.

DD1 went on her first sleepover at a friends house at the weekend. Not sure if I mentioned it. It won't be long before ours are too, and these early years will just be a memory. It helped me find new 'coping' IYKWIM.

And he's crying again.

Give him the meds now? Even just 10mg? Big big hugs.

When did you get the omeprazole? Is there a reason you havent started him on it yet? It would likely help, arching back etc sounds very reflux like so I'd hope the meds would help him and in turn you? It's so hard when they won't settle. I feel your pain. J is still up a few times before we go to bed and after too. It's hard but I think he now just likes a cuddle!

I wonder if he hates the cot because he associates it with reflux pain from lying down? J has been dreadfully clingy this week but actually after my Nesquik fuck up I realise its because he's in pain. Can I third the omeprazole suggestion?

And it takes 3 weeks for dairy to leave their system even just from BM

I think he's finally asleep. I'll try the omeprazole tomorrow.

Perhaps try him in big boy bed? Different associations? J is much better in bed. If he wakes I bring him in with me but I hope when he is well he will actually just not wake, or self settle. I can dream

Night night peeps

Omezaprole plus big boy bed might give him the back to zero start he might need.

We're in 18mo regression I think. But it's so far quite easy. She wakes up an hour after bedtime. Hysterical. But goes back down easily after a ten minute boredom session. DD1 had proper several hour wakings but we were awake anyway because of LO.